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As mentioned repairs, berths for auxiliary ships including the new hospital ship since prototype finishes next year, and also the possibility member worlds would ask to borrow a berth for a build.
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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[K] Advocate for the Romulan Empire to be the next member
I know they aren't a member, but Nash and the -C will fix that.
How Nash gets the -C in 2317 is classified.
You think small.You arn't thinking big enough.
- NEW Advocate for a particular Affiliate to be Ratified as a Member first, 180pp
Clearly the cost was so large because we could choose ANY affiliate. If we wanted the Tauni to become an member 180pp is appropriate!
[K] Advocate for the Romulan Empire to be the next member
I know they aren't a member, but Nash and the -C will fix that.
How Nash gets the -C in 2317 is classified.
You arn't thinking big enough.
- NEW Advocate for a particular Affiliate to be Ratified as a Member first, 180pp
Clearly the cost was so large because we could choose ANY affiliate. If we wanted the Tauni to become an member 180pp is appropriate!
Oh, this changes things. If we use it on the Lamarck after we push them to affiliates within like two years we will get the cutest little hairy councillor one can imagine!
He will sit in his fancy chair and hope no one notices that he still doesnt remember whether the "Humans" are the creepy bee people or the loud green dudes.
UbeOne
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*chooses the Yan-Ros*You arn't thinking big enough.
- NEW Advocate for a particular Affiliate to be Ratified as a Member first, 180pp
Clearly the cost was so large because we could choose ANY affiliate. If we wanted the Tauni to become an member 180pp is appropriate!
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if i am going to spend 180 to get affiliate in then i rather have the 2 at one time one then the option to pick the one i want one
I mean, I understand why the cost is so high. Joining the Federation is a highly political matter and we would be using up an awful lot of Starfleet goodwill to stick our noses in it and declare, "Oh no, the Seyek before the Caldonians!"
But at the same time, eh, the cost is so high that I don't think anyone is seriously considering it as an option. I'm not even sure who to pick. Strategically, my head says the Seyek are the best choice. My conscience says that the Caldonians have been waiting patiently for years. My heart says this is the moment for the Orions when all the political winds are blowing to Federation Membership.
...and of course, the Risans bring the Space Hunks and Space Babes.
But at the same time, eh, the cost is so high that I don't think anyone is seriously considering it as an option. I'm not even sure who to pick. Strategically, my head says the Seyek are the best choice. My conscience says that the Caldonians have been waiting patiently for years. My heart says this is the moment for the Orions when all the political winds are blowing to Federation Membership.
...and of course, the Risans bring the Space Hunks and Space Babes.
Forgothrax
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I think a lot of the push for berths has to do with the Auxiliaries. We know we're short everywhere. Cargo has been the big problem but we need enough berths for 9 hospital ships at minimum too. Plus we badly need another half dozen engineering teams and probably a few colony ships. Having 2 more prospectors for the GBZ would be excellent. And no matter what we can't seem to get more Auxiliary berths. Soooo...
@OneirosTheWriter Could you please, please acknowledge that the thread really wants to fix the Auxiliary problem and allow us the option to build specialty shipyards or berths? A heavy discount for a yard that cannot do military ship construction or repair even under SoE and is NPC'd would be something a lot of us would vote for. Hell, even a separate "Auxiliary Operations" vote would be awesome. Different crew and income pool unless we vote to move br/Sr from the main budget, different needs... Yah.
Hell, let me make it simple.
@OneirosTheWriter Could you please, please acknowledge that the thread really wants to fix the Auxiliary problem and allow us the option to build specialty shipyards or berths? A heavy discount for a yard that cannot do military ship construction or repair even under SoE and is NPC'd would be something a lot of us would vote for. Hell, even a separate "Auxiliary Operations" vote would be awesome. Different crew and income pool unless we vote to move br/Sr from the main budget, different needs... Yah.
Hell, let me make it simple.
- NEW Request Auxiliary Shipyard at Ferasa, 40pp (1 2mt berth, 4 1mt berth)
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Yeah - it's probably not worth 180pp to people, but at the same time, that's the sort of investment you'd need to sway the Council, who would have their own plans.
Blargh, okay, it's added in.
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It's a bit too late to ask for more options now, maybe for next year. And it does make sense in a way. We made clear that we don't really need more dedicated aux berths and are well on the way out of the hole, so there wasn't any reason for anyone to propose a new bill we could throw our support behind. Arguably general purpose berths are the better choice anyway, the only potential snag is the logistics budget which would presumably get raised along with any new aux shipyards.
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@Chaos Blade @KnightDisciple @Void Stalker @Thebigpieman @TyrialFrost @pheonix89 @Nervos Belli
Now that @OneirosTheWriter has added Auxiliary yard options I have considerably modified the plan you're voting for.
1. Dropped the Amrkia Yard.
2. Added new Auxiliary yard at Ferasa
3. Expanded Lasieth Craft Yards
4. Dropped Starbase in LBZ
5. Replaced Lamarck diplomacy with Licori diplomacy (due to extensive in-thread arguments)
6. Added back in the Fornost mining colony
Now that @OneirosTheWriter has added Auxiliary yard options I have considerably modified the plan you're voting for.
1. Dropped the Amrkia Yard.
2. Added new Auxiliary yard at Ferasa
3. Expanded Lasieth Craft Yards
4. Dropped Starbase in LBZ
5. Replaced Lamarck diplomacy with Licori diplomacy (due to extensive in-thread arguments)
6. Added back in the Fornost mining colony
To be fair, the Auxiliary cost options are a much better bargain than general berths to make up for their limited use. 5 berths for 40 points! And the Lasieth expansion only costs 8 pp.
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Given that @Briefvoice has altered his plan, go ahead and keep the vote open awhile longer. Who knows, maybe I'll be able to find time to propose my own after I leave work!So should I be closing the vote today or do people need another day to debate it? I'm clogged up with a cold so I wouldn't mind the extra time
Honestly I don't think anyone has issue with the cost. After all this is a subject well outside Starfleet's mandate and a deeply political issue. Of course it should be very expensive to influence.
The problem I think is this is an option without a use case. I can't think of a realistic scenario that would have us want to influence which of the 500/500 Affiliates joins first. The option to do two per year makes sense since it adds their fleets and sweet sweet resources to ours ASAP but the order seems fairly irrelevant.
Still nice to see new options at the Snakepit though.
pheonix89
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Fine by me.
Thors_Alumni
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You have my vote Briefvoice.
I apparently do not, as the vote tally system doesn't recognize you as voting for any plan.
Thors_Alumni
Proud member of Thors Class VII from Liberl
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[X][COUNCIL] 2317 Snakepit – Sydraxian Diplomacy, Shipyard Expansion, and Starfleet Reorg
[X][TECH] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
[X][TECH] Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
[X][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Infrastructure Development.
Edit: Patience. I had to go and find my Previous post and strike it through and update my vote while keeping the TECH and AMB parts the same since I like those best.
[X][TECH] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
[X][TECH] Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
[X][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Infrastructure Development.
Edit: Patience. I had to go and find my Previous post and strike it through and update my vote while keeping the TECH and AMB parts the same since I like those best.
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Are the Licori a valid target? Still aux berth addition I am all for.
Gear
Set Moon to Ramming Speed!
[X][COUNCIL] 2317 Snakepit – Sydraxian Diplomacy, Shipyard Expansion, and Starfleet Reorg
[X][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Maintain a strong Forward Defense.
- (Complete at least six Forward Defense technologies, put a Starbase in every Border Zone, and complete the first slide of Foreign Analysis Research for both the Harmony of Horizon and the Klingon Empire.)
[X][TECH] Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
[X][TECH] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
[X][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Maintain a strong Forward Defense.
- (Complete at least six Forward Defense technologies, put a Starbase in every Border Zone, and complete the first slide of Foreign Analysis Research for both the Harmony of Horizon and the Klingon Empire.)
[X][TECH] Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
[X][TECH] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
Goldenlima
Statistical Anomaly
[X][COUNCIL] 2317 Snakepit – Sydraxian Diplomacy, Shipyard Expansion, and Starfleet Reorg
Aquiring the ability to build defense structures in Seyek territory is pretty relevant though, especially since we are currently actively provoking the Cardassians with stuff like the Sydraxian push. Having to juggle affiliate fleets would also probably be way more effort than telling our new proper members what to do.
We will be in a much weaker position against a Cardassian attack in two years if we ratify Risa and Caledonia ahead of the rest.
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@SynchronizedWritersBlock heads up but we got options for both a new aux yard for 40pp for 5 berths and an option to add a 1mt berth to the existing aux yard for 8pp.
This affects the vote-leading plan. Tags in spoiler.
[X][COUNCIL] 2317 Snakepit – Intelligence and EC Reorg
Plan changes:
- dropped the Amarkia shipyard and the incredibly inefficient berth at San Francisco (which, admit it, we only wanted because it makes things prettier; repeated builds also can benefit from the Heavy Industrial Park so there's not a huge point).
- added the 40pp aux shipyards - these are a bargain and according to the calculations we did, once our current deficit is caught up our existing aux shipyards won't quite keep up with normal expansion plus non-logistics builds. Making another aux shipyard is a permanent solution to this issue for years to come after our catchup is finished.
- and the 8pp aux berth too
- added in the two BR colonies mostly because they're the only way to efficiently spend 16 out of 19 remaining points. Four colonies is well within our engineering capabilities without a new starbase on the docket.
Main difference to Briefvoice's is he has Medical, an extra Push, and the San Fran berth. I have the intel report and two more colonies instead.
[X][TECH] Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
[X][TECH] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
[][TECH] Technocracy Interstellar Ministry (Sk 3, Diplomacy / Computing)
[][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Maintain a strong Forward Defense.
- (Complete at least six Forward Defense technologies, put a Starbase in every Border Zone, and complete the first slide of Foreign Analysis Research for both the Harmony of Horizon and the Klingon Empire.)
- FD "technologies" means 6 full slides.
[X][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Infrastructure Development.
- (Have Starfleet fully self-sufficient in logistics capacity outside of emergencies, while building at least one additional engineering team and without affecting the planned pace of new hospital ship deployment. Additionally, start preparations for at least one new Utopia Planetia-style shipyard.)
[X][COUNCIL] 2317 Snakepit – Intelligence and EC Reorg
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Ashindi]
- Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Sydraxians]
- Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, 30pp [Foreign Analysis/Xenopsychology]
- Request Mining Colony at Fornost VII-19, 8pp, 40 (45) br/yr, 8 turns
- Request Mining Colony at 2 Curacao VII, 8pp, 20 (30) sr/yr, 4 turns
- Request Mining Colony at Kappa Tau, 8pp, 15 (20) br/yr, 4 turns
- Request Mining Colony at Proxima Eridani, 8pp, 15 (20) br/yr, 4 turns
- Request Academy Development, 45pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
- Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
- Request Cruiser berth at Utopia Planitia, 11pp (6 turns, gain new 2m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
- Request development of Lasieth Craft Yards, 8pp (4 turns, gain 1 new 1m t berth) [Can take multiple times, +5pp per subsequent build]
- Reorganise Starfleet Engineering Command to be a separate reporting Command that reports directly to Commander, Starfleet, 60pp
- Reorganise a Starfleet Command from a Rear Admiral position to a Vice Admiral position. (25pp for Explorer Corps.)
- Deploy Improved Listening Posts to a Border Zone to gain a 25% chance of generating +1 Intel report for powers on that border. (Klingon Border Zone), 20pp
- Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 70pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
- NEW Request new Auxiliary Shipyard at Ferasa), 40pp, (12 turns, 1x2mt, 4x1mt Berth)
Plan changes:
- dropped the Amarkia shipyard and the incredibly inefficient berth at San Francisco (which, admit it, we only wanted because it makes things prettier; repeated builds also can benefit from the Heavy Industrial Park so there's not a huge point).
- added the 40pp aux shipyards - these are a bargain and according to the calculations we did, once our current deficit is caught up our existing aux shipyards won't quite keep up with normal expansion plus non-logistics builds. Making another aux shipyard is a permanent solution to this issue for years to come after our catchup is finished.
- and the 8pp aux berth too
- added in the two BR colonies mostly because they're the only way to efficiently spend 16 out of 19 remaining points. Four colonies is well within our engineering capabilities without a new starbase on the docket.
Main difference to Briefvoice's is he has Medical, an extra Push, and the San Fran berth. I have the intel report and two more colonies instead.
[X][TECH] Inid Uttar Institute (Sk 3, Sensors / Propulsion)
[X][TECH] Henn-Makad Engineering Institute (Sk 3, Starbases / Minerals)
[][TECH] Technocracy Interstellar Ministry (Sk 3, Diplomacy / Computing)
[][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Maintain a strong Forward Defense.
- (Complete at least six Forward Defense technologies, put a Starbase in every Border Zone, and complete the first slide of Foreign Analysis Research for both the Harmony of Horizon and the Klingon Empire.)
- FD "technologies" means 6 full slides.
[X][AMB] Announce new Starfleet Ambition: Infrastructure Development.
- (Have Starfleet fully self-sufficient in logistics capacity outside of emergencies, while building at least one additional engineering team and without affecting the planned pace of new hospital ship deployment. Additionally, start preparations for at least one new Utopia Planetia-style shipyard.)
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