I'm eagerly awaiting the repeat of the choice after they've killed one of our scout bros. And yes, that means that all of our decisions from now on carry the threat of EXISTENTIAL MOOK DEATH. One false move, or even correct but unlucky move, and Ling Qi has poor innocent tiny Yellow scout blood all over her hands! And feet, spine, heart, lung, and head.
-
Going forward, links to content from Twitter (now X) will no longer be embedded. Pre-existing links should not be affected.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Ling Qi already took an action far riskier than I thought she would - or that I thought the previous vote would result in - during the update.
main reason being is we sorta saw clearly how close we were mechanically to being caught
In fairness, Ling Qi didn't quite expect 2 peer+ dudes to show up. With being further on guard, having a larger qi signature to follow, and being closer to the mountains themselves with all of its cracks and crevices to disappear into, and the benefit of her skill insight, I think we could reasonably expect Ling Qi's stealth to perform better.
Wouldn't help much if she got lead back to a Cyan chief though, haha.
Wouldn't help much if she got lead back to a Cyan chief though, haha.
Varder
Tired Cultist
- Location
- Hell
Not sure about that, the skill seems to require staying still to work.
But otherwise, yeah, it's incredibly potent.
Well naturally, but from the narration Ling Qi already passed the "lethal for mortals to breathe" height...back at Zeqing's place, which was expressedly much much lower than this. This is so high the ambient qi from the Earth is getting thin, which is quite extreme.
Given typical barbarian practices what we are actually seeing should be that the warhost of the barbarians are primarily formed out of restless, newly powerful young warriors out to win glory for social status. I.e. the ENTIRE warhost is probably drawn from a vast area, picking out the fresh Greens of the new generation, who organize together under someone charismatic to raid the settled peoples for goodies, with the rest of their tribe still safe because its still only taking like 3-4 people out of each clan unit of a couple dozen adults.
I'm referring to OUR Yellow scouts here. They're Argent Sect, they probably have Argent Soul, which means they have above average(for their talent tier) Qi and they can bind a spirit.
Thats why it combos so well with ENM.
We use Vanishing and ENM to reset awareness, then use Ling Qis ridiculous mobility to move elsewhere and continue undetected.
Black Noise
Curious
- Location
- About 1AU from Sol
I'm not so sure staying still is necessary. My guess is "stationary"/"moving" is one of the invisible-to-us situational (de)buffs that can apply to stealth attempts, but that doesn't impact Vanishing specifically more than other types of B-rank advanced stealth.
I'm not sure how much we want to invest in stealth at this point. Sure we can sneak around a bit but our fighting style is as stealthy as a fog horn. Edit: Now that I think about it having good stealth skills would still be valuable inside FVM sooo never mind
Last edited:
Using vanish then resetting awareness would really play up the we are a scary spirit angle. Could you imagine being trapped and lost in a mist, and then suddenly forgetting who you were supposed to be fighting? That sounds pretty scary. Plus we would then use one of our somewhat horrifying attacks (destory your soul, freeze you from the inside out, etc).
Alphaleph
The Firstiest of First
Ling Qi being super petty and doing ding dong dash when they're trying to rest is now a possibility.
Varder
Tired Cultist
- Location
- Hell
Pretty sure that stealth mechanics don't work this way.
Varder
Tired Cultist
- Location
- Hell
If you're talking about Passing Phantom tech and its ability to reset unsure targets to unaware, then I don't think targets engaged in open combat can be considered "unsure" even if they don't know where their enemy is hiding exactly.
And Evening Breeze Flourish can only affect one second at a time.
- Location
- Denial
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Note that only works on "unsure targets" presumably anyone who saw ling disappear is way past unsure. Edit: Ninja'd
We can start altering existing arts once we hit foundation, presumably we could then alter our arts to fit in with stealth a lot better. In particular looking at the music elements bonuses:
it's kind of implied the sounds aren't actually the totality of the musical arts, I don't think it would be impossible to limit them so we can play without producing actual sound or limit it so only our target can hear the sounds.
Diomedea
A piece of the continent
- Location
- The interblag
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Actually, we can literally be fighting, break line of sight and get our opponents to unsure. They know they're fighting Ling Qi, they know she's here. They're unsure of her exact location. In context of FVM and PLR, they know she's in that area over there, but not exactly where. So AoE attacks would still be viable, but high damage 1 vs 1 techs aren't what you want to use because they're not designed to target "somewhere over that way."
From the tutorial:
Y'all are thinking of infiltration stealth again, where if the opponent has seen you and raised the alarm means the game is up. Combat stealth is just "I don't know exactly where my opponent is at the moment."
From the tutorial:
Y'all are thinking of infiltration stealth again, where if the opponent has seen you and raised the alarm means the game is up. Combat stealth is just "I don't know exactly where my opponent is at the moment."
At its first level, yeah.
Thats not even going into what it looks like when mastered or any potential Successor Arts that we might wind up taking advantage of as well.
I mean...
That's just factually incorrect.
- Location
- Denial
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I wasn't talking about the vanishing skill, Varder basically made the exact point I meant to but better.
Not sure I get you mean there.
It's a nonsensical point either way you dress it up.
Unsure is explicitly an open combat state where a character does not know where their enemy is hiding due to stealth (unaware is a "first strike" version of that), and the effect of ENM is explicitly stated in its description and further clarified:
I also guess the CtE on Bai dude last turn might also have benefited from "unaware" while he was super distracted by Cai last turn without the usage of explicit stealth.
Last edited:
Varder
Tired Cultist
- Location
- Hell
Is there a VOG on ENM's further levels? Because I don't have the inside info about it allowing to make people fighting Ling Qi unsure of her presence in the area that you are basing your argument on.
Pick on or the other, you can't claim the point is nonsensial and then proceed to tell that it's correct within used parameters.
Ah, I see, thanks; it seems like I misinterpreted unsure as "is anyone there at all" type of thing.
I don't either, but basing your opinion of an art entirely on its first level is faintly ridiculous, especially when your complaint is the lack of potency of a tech at said first level.
Literally what