You're right. People wanting rewards was also a big factor. Being selfish like Ling Qi said.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
It was a completely reasonable portrayal of certain key voters in the thread. Another completely reaosnable portayal of certain other voters would have been "Learning how a King purge his rivals". Yet another completely reasonable portrayal would have been "Shen Hu is completely safe and being part of a Wild Hunt is a once in a lifetime opportunity".
Ling Qi's own self was apparently driven by fear, which is fine and a reflection of a lot of her past self.
Stop: Hold it
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
hold it
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Stop: Don't do this
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
don't do this
This is not acceptable behaviour:
@Hangwind has been infracted and removed from the thread for 3 days due to violating Rule 3. I am going to take this opportunity to remind everyone that while you might be disappointed with the results of the vote and the consequences thereof, the rules still apply. Your fellow posters are still worthy of respect, even if they didn't agree with you.
So, everyone, be mindful of your posting. This is, after all, ultimately a game.
Thread reopened.
@Hangwind has been infracted and removed from the thread for 3 days due to violating Rule 3. I am going to take this opportunity to remind everyone that while you might be disappointed with the results of the vote and the consequences thereof, the rules still apply. Your fellow posters are still worthy of respect, even if they didn't agree with you.
So, everyone, be mindful of your posting. This is, after all, ultimately a game.
Thread reopened.
- Location
- United States of America
I liked this update @yrsillar. It was a poignant example of what happens when vengeance is pursued for the sake of vengeance, and the arc also reveals to Ling Qi that she has some major problems that she needs to work on.
I see two things that Ling Qi needs to work on in order to resolve her being shaken by this.
The Bloody Moon might not give an inherent lesson for us, but that just leaves us the room to craft one ourselves. And an individualized lesson is going to be more potent for us at this time then what lesson the Bloody Moon might have given. Ling Qi needs, and deserves, some serious self-reflection. It's a good thing, then, that she has Sixiang, Cai, and Meizhen to help her walk through this.
Ling Qi should probably talk to Meizhen about her fears of sliding back to who she was in the street and how she wants to change and move past that. To talk about whether she really has changed, or if her resolve has not really been tested before. There is not much Meizhen can do but be a solid support structure, but this would probably still be a good conversation to have with her.
Cai would be a good person to talk to about what justice means, and what role vengeance has in the pursuit of justice. We might not agree fully on some of the nuances, but having a mind to bounce ideas and concerns off of would be great, and providing Cai a way to further develop her concept of Justice would probably help her as well.
Sixiang is probably a good person to talk to about the relationships between the phases of the moon and the lessons to be learned from this. While Sixiang doesn't believe there was a lesson, Sixiang is from a phase of the moon that is about creativity and inspiration. She might have some ideas on how to wrestle with some of our inherent demons and traumas in order to come out of this stronger than before.
There is a lot of work to be done in the next month or so. A lot of talking, crying, and struggling with who Ling Qi is and who she wants to be. However, I feel that the lessons we create from these events will serve to propel ourselves forward in gaining strength and resolve to commit to our convictions and goals. I'm happy with this update, sad that Ling Qi suffered through the trauma, and hopeful that Ling Qi can learn from this and gather the strength and conviction to avoid this type of situation in the real world.
I see two things that Ling Qi needs to work on in order to resolve her being shaken by this.
- Needs to confront the fact that she is weak but wants to protect her friends and family. How will she do that, and what lengths will she go for that? All the way to death? And Who classifies as a friend or family?
- Needs to confront the emotional trauma she suffered as part of this. This was very traumatic for her.
The Bloody Moon might not give an inherent lesson for us, but that just leaves us the room to craft one ourselves. And an individualized lesson is going to be more potent for us at this time then what lesson the Bloody Moon might have given. Ling Qi needs, and deserves, some serious self-reflection. It's a good thing, then, that she has Sixiang, Cai, and Meizhen to help her walk through this.
Ling Qi should probably talk to Meizhen about her fears of sliding back to who she was in the street and how she wants to change and move past that. To talk about whether she really has changed, or if her resolve has not really been tested before. There is not much Meizhen can do but be a solid support structure, but this would probably still be a good conversation to have with her.
Cai would be a good person to talk to about what justice means, and what role vengeance has in the pursuit of justice. We might not agree fully on some of the nuances, but having a mind to bounce ideas and concerns off of would be great, and providing Cai a way to further develop her concept of Justice would probably help her as well.
Sixiang is probably a good person to talk to about the relationships between the phases of the moon and the lessons to be learned from this. While Sixiang doesn't believe there was a lesson, Sixiang is from a phase of the moon that is about creativity and inspiration. She might have some ideas on how to wrestle with some of our inherent demons and traumas in order to come out of this stronger than before.
There is a lot of work to be done in the next month or so. A lot of talking, crying, and struggling with who Ling Qi is and who she wants to be. However, I feel that the lessons we create from these events will serve to propel ourselves forward in gaining strength and resolve to commit to our convictions and goals. I'm happy with this update, sad that Ling Qi suffered through the trauma, and hopeful that Ling Qi can learn from this and gather the strength and conviction to avoid this type of situation in the real world.
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The big thing here is, well...
LQ went to the meeting hoping to convince the king to change his path.
"Because I need to understand, if I am to survive," the words came to her lips unbidden. "Even if I am small, my actions can affect the paths of the mighty and draw their attention."
And then promptly chickened out. Basically, she lacked conviction to see her own words through.
Edit: she was even forced into the consequences of failing to convince her 'boss' first hand.
LQ went to the meeting hoping to convince the king to change his path.
"Because I need to understand, if I am to survive," the words came to her lips unbidden. "Even if I am small, my actions can affect the paths of the mighty and draw their attention."
And then promptly chickened out. Basically, she lacked conviction to see her own words through.
Edit: she was even forced into the consequences of failing to convince her 'boss' first hand.
Not going to get into the rest of it, but Ling Qi never agreed to take Zeqing's trial. She showed up for the usual music lesson and Zeqing tossed her into a blizzard without asking. Ling Qi was pretty upset about it and left right afterwords. She talked to Xin about it afterwards and got the talk on how spirits don't think about things like humans.
I'm most upset about the lack of dinosaurs. WHERES OUR MOON T.REX YRSILLAR!?! WE WONT BE DENIED!
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Can't wait to advance Six's bond. Moon sisters 4 lyfe
I wonder how Moon Mom will react if we tell her
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Can't wait to advance Six's bond. Moon sisters 4 lyfe
I wonder how Moon Mom will react if we tell her
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This is a really good point in terms of the story. Our decision in part 3 totally failed to follow through on Ling Qi's stated reasoning in part 2.
Ultimately, while we have to be careful, we can't influence people more powerful than us if we're too scared to try to convince them of anything.
Fair, I had to read back on that. But I still consider it a completely different situation than this simply because of how much time we spent around Zeqing, to the point that the Sect's opinion would be quite deservedly that if we got ourselves frozen to death, it was because we took a lot of risks with a spirit that freezes people to death.
We almost became Hanyi's actual sister the one time Ling Qi's desire for a mother figure really showed in front of Zeqing, too. If that had happened it would have been our fault. And on the opposite end, there was no chance whatsoever Zeqing would kill us in our first meeting, because her agreements with the sect would not allow it unless we really fucked up.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Can we please stop relitigating this?
Please?
because I'd really rather not have to ignore this thread because everyone's trotting out "This wasn't a perfect outcome and so you're all fucking cowards and monsters you should have Leeroyed this" arguments everywhere, I love this story too much to have to be forced out by people who can't resist trying to take some pounds of flesh for what amounts to being a setback.
Trying to make everyone feel bad about the way things shook out isn't going to make everyone play better in the future, it's just going to breed over-correction and paranoia. And we got enough of that in this event to begin with.
Please?
because I'd really rather not have to ignore this thread because everyone's trotting out "This wasn't a perfect outcome and so you're all fucking cowards and monsters you should have Leeroyed this" arguments everywhere, I love this story too much to have to be forced out by people who can't resist trying to take some pounds of flesh for what amounts to being a setback.
Trying to make everyone feel bad about the way things shook out isn't going to make everyone play better in the future, it's just going to breed over-correction and paranoia. And we got enough of that in this event to begin with.
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It's not a matter of feeling bad. There was a better outcome for Ling Qi. The key point to actually learning the lesson is to recognize that we and Ling Qi could do better here and then do better in the future. The lesson that "nothing could have been done better" is basically no lesson from this.
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
- Pronouns
- They/Them
There might have been a 'better option', but would it have been as interesting?
I'm happy with what I got out of this vote and update.
Kairos123
Insomniac Extraordinaire
I agree completely. Thanks for putting it into words. I certainly appreciated the amount of thought that went into this update.
This scene was powerful because it rebuked the choice made in fear of dying pointlessly or getting kicked out early. It rebuked it hard, but there were lessons to be learned. The malus was something that omake bonuses pretty much negated (for now), and OOC it served as a reminder to keep in mind who we are playing over our justifications. It was great and I loved it.
Poor Ysilar though. He had Shen give an armor piercing statement that rebuked the loudest complaint of it being just a dream, but still the salt flows.
- Location
- Canada
My take on a lot of this is that mixing two votes that had nothing to do with each other (loot and morality vote) hampered the thread ability to make the right decision. We might have still made the same choice, but at least it would have been after giving it the proper degree of attention rather than this. Oh well, next time we should pay more attention to LQ own words rather than the logic of things.
- Location
- Austria
The truth is that I am not really happy the way this went down. I also think that it is my right to dislike the course it went, as I voted for something completely different.
But this doesn´t matter. We vote and the majority wins and the author has the right to form the quest around those votes. Before the vote closes we try to win over the crowd and explain reasoning and possibilities, but as soon as it is over we have to trust yrsillar to do well.
And for those who wanted consequences. Here you have them.
But this doesn´t matter. We vote and the majority wins and the author has the right to form the quest around those votes. Before the vote closes we try to win over the crowd and explain reasoning and possibilities, but as soon as it is over we have to trust yrsillar to do well.
And for those who wanted consequences. Here you have them.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Honestly can't regret this. I'm pretty firmly on team moon and don't like the King's foes' utter disregard for spirits. Meeting the King was also the more interesting choice and fits our ambitions.
Guess the thing we could've done is show more resolve when actually in front of him but our vote fits Ling Qi's mindset. I don't think she cares enough to risk much for illusionary people and wasn't quite ready to do so for Shen Hu either.
Looking forward to seeing how this plays out though. Hoping it'll involve some deep talks with some of our closer connections.
Guess the thing we could've done is show more resolve when actually in front of him but our vote fits Ling Qi's mindset. I don't think she cares enough to risk much for illusionary people and wasn't quite ready to do so for Shen Hu either.
Looking forward to seeing how this plays out though. Hoping it'll involve some deep talks with some of our closer connections.
I really can't see why this turn of events is such a big deal. The temporary debuff is bad, yeah. But we got a permanent bonus to our attacks, which more than compensates. As for getting turned into a rat, well, she got better.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
It's a crit, but the confirmation roll, aka the players votes, made it into a crit fail.
[edit] thankfully yrsillar as usual tries to bend backwards to make sure we still get something out of it.
Pretty much all bonuses so far have always been flat increases, so they rapidly lose meaning (i assume that's intentional).
The malus is multiplicative, so that's pretty damn bad, but it's noted to be removable so it kind of balances out. Only the fact that it'll cost us actions (hence AP) to fix is annoying, but i expect those actions to give other rewards besides removing this malus.
Things like having therapy sessions (with CRX?) would give pretty good stat training, or if we go the full personal route i'm sure we'll end up with an other insight as a result of mending this trauma.
people like to personalize things, to think of them as if they were humans, ideals and forces of nature included. In this universe they can even talk so that's extra easy to do.
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It *isn't*. Like, I've was arguing on discord that the penalty is actually too weak and we won't notice it.
Maybe we should try to find solace with somebody else than Ms. BEEP BOOP TEACH ME WHAT YOU HUMONS CALL EMOTION. At least to start with.
I love CRX but wheelhouses and all that.
On a separate note, we are sharing this dope ass site with our buddies right? Sun qi? Earth qi? Four Dot Friends could use those right?
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