Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I like the idea of her territory being as big as our precious turtle. More equal that way.

Also, most of our exotic resources are located away from the lake.
 
Adhoc vote count started by EternalObserver on May 5, 2024 at 6:40 PM, finished with 148 posts and 101 votes.
 
[X] Snowblossom as the whole of the central watercourse, (Fewer and less personal blessings easier development along river)

Spread thin both socially and narratively, I think it behooves us to vote for the future over character quirks this time around. A cohesive waterway will serve us well in the future.

(Hahaha they don't know I'm just voting for the character quirk of Thicc Lake Ass get hoodwinked nerds hahahaha YES.)
 
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[x] Snowblossom as the lake and god of Shenglu(More frequent and focused blessings on Shenglu, more difficult development up and downriver)
 
[x] Snowblossom as the whole of the central watercourse, (Fewer and less personal blessings easier development along river)
 
[X] Snowblossom as the whole of the central watercourse, (Fewer and less personal blessings easier development along river)
 
Zhengui meets Meng Duyi
@yrsillar
Omake ahoy!

A Young Master out in his field meets a master-in-his-field.

He is a very good boy, please teach him with care. We're very proud of him and his geyser.

Zhengui stood outside on the rocky hill with a handful of older men in the first and second realm, with what could only be the geomancer.

Her first impression was that he was very old, but also surprisingly spry. More broad shouldered than his kin, with a thick frame that was still bent by age. He had long white hair, and a beard wrapped in dark green ribbon and wore an ornate headband woven with beads and decorated with three point antlers. He leaned heavily on a thick crutch of wood that seemed more like a short live sapling than anything carved.

And he was already looking up as she descended.

Zhengui and his entourage swiftly followed his gaze.

"Big Sister!" Gui exclaimed happily. "Mr. Harmony of Waters said you would be here soon."

"I did," Meng Duyi said, looking at her contemplatively.

"My apologies for not greeting you immediately sir Meng," Ling Qi said. "It has been a day of many guests."

"It is nothing. It was more interesting to follow this web of flame and water beneath the earth," he said thoughtfully, looking down at his feet.

"Mm! The boiling veins were already here, Zhengui has just nudged and guided them," Gui said brightly.

"Hmph, Gui is foolishly humble, this young lord took charge of the chaos, with the help of his servants. This great work is but the foundation," Zhen hissed, tilting his head back proudly as the geyser erupted.

First digital art in a fancy new medium!
 
I still think that the whole watercourse option is better on the long term, and not just because of the ease for trade.

When, eventually, new villages are built near Shenglu they will most likely be placed along the river.
So having an unified spirit spanning a larger stretch of the river would make it easier to grant them blessings and protections.
And if the river ever gets upset and needs appropriation we can perform the rituals at Snowblossom, which would be more direct and efficient.

Though it is true that Snowblossom as the local god of Shenglu, making it more defined and perceptive to human behaviour, would make the option using of the boat to commune with her more viable.
And that's definitely the option I want for when we do the Snowblossom Shrine project.
The issue being that the lake is defined as kind and calm, because the waters are calm, cold and deep, with few unexpected undertows and plenty of fish.


Throw in the rapids, waterfalls and other mountain river classics and the spirit simply wouldn't be as calm and easy to deal with anymore, since it'd acquire a reputation for smashing boats, washing away infrastructure during spring melts and sucking away careless people to drown.

It would be better long term to have the two spirits be separate so the river can be subjugated and tamed, without punishing the lake.
 
The issue being that the lake is defined as kind and calm, because the waters are calm, cold and deep, with few unexpected undertows and plenty of fish.


Throw in the rapids, waterfalls and other mountain river classics and the spirit simply wouldn't be as calm and easy to deal with anymore, since it'd acquire a reputation for smashing boats, washing away infrastructure during spring melts and sucking away careless people to drown.

It would be better long term to have the two spirits be separate so the river can be subjugated and tamed, without punishing the lake.
All those points would apply even more to the two new spirits, and they would not have the counterbalance of the lake.
We don't need to tame the lake as it's already relative tame, if it grows to include the rivers who don't have a spirit the rivers should adapt to the lake and not the lake to the rivers.
Why would the lake adapt to rivers without a will (spirit).

And even if that somehow would be the case, it would be taming 1 spirit we already somewhat know vs taming 2 new spirits which we don't even know who would be smaller and thous would embody all of these traits you listed even more.
I don't see how it would be easier to tame two spirits who would be more focused on those traits than to just keep the lake tame.

I mean, the vote even says that it will be more difficult to develop up and down river if we have separate spirits for the rivers.

So how would it be easier or better long term when we vote for an option that states it will be more difficult ?
 
[x] Snowblossom as the lake and god of Shenglu(More frequent and focused blessings on Shenglu, more difficult development up and downriver)
 
[x] Snowblossom as the whole of the central watercourse, (Fewer and less personal blessings easier development along river)
 
[x] Snowblossom as the lake and god of Shenglu(More frequent and focused blessings on Shenglu, more difficult development up and downriver)
 
Makes sense, but then why would the development be labelled as easier in the "watercourse" action in this scenario?
Because we're sacrificing the lake's calm to average out the temperaments.

Combined:
-One spirit, representing both the calm, giving lake and the tempermental violent rivers. The overall entity is less friendly to people than the lake by itself and less aggressive than the river by itself. However, any actions we take will have to address both at once, with consequences cascading both ways. For instance, if we decide to carve away the rapids or modify the waterfall, we'd have to bribe the lake to tolerate it

Separate:
-A gentle and pleasant lake spirit, that can be invoked for blessings of prosperity and happiness for the lake. Rites for the lake will not touch the rivers much.
-Unruly river spirits that requires additional work to tame, but also gives us a freer hand with regards to how we tame them, as they aren't sapient yet, and flooding the banks of a river we aren't using is a lame threat.


Tldr - the combined spirit would be easier to work with right away, allowing us to use the river for portage immediately, the separate spirits allows for greater customization, but means that the river won't be usable for logistics until we do those projects.
 
[x] Snowblossom as the lake and god of Shenglu(More frequent and focused blessings on Shenglu, more difficult development up and downriver)
 
-One spirit, representing both the calm, giving lake and the tempermental violent rivers. The overall entity is less friendly to people than the lake by itself and less aggressive than the river by itself.
The overall entity is not less friendly
However, the second method's more impersonal and larger spirit would not be so sensitive to human behavior."
It says the larger spirit would be less sensitive it says nothing about being more unfriendly, nothing about being more or less violent.

However, any actions we take will have to address both at once, with consequences cascading both ways.
No? The lake and the rivers would become one sole entity, so we only have to address the lake as the lake and the rivers would be the same.

For instance, if we decide to carve away the rapids or modify the waterfall, we'd have to bribe the lake to tolerate it
That is also the case for the separate spirits ? And can be even worse there ?
As in, we would have to bribe the affected spirit/spirits so if any changes we make affects all 3 spirits we would have to bribe all 3 of them as they would be 3 different beings.
Instead of just bribing the lake alone.
 
The overall entity is not less friendly

It says the larger spirit would be less sensitive it says nothing about being more unfriendly, nothing about being more or less violent.


No? The lake and the rivers would become one sole entity, so we only have to address the lake as the lake and the rivers would be the same.


That is also the case for the separate spirits ? And can be even worse there ?
As in, we would have to bribe the affected spirit/spirits so if any changes we make affects all 3 spirits we would have to bribe all 3 of them as they would be 3 different beings.
Instead of just bribing the lake alone.
The overall entity would have to be less friendly.
Its taking credit for all the stuff the rivers are doing, as well as all the stuff the lake is doing.

Lake: Stabilizes temperature, provides food, beauty.
Rivers: Surges seasonally. Route is covered in rapids and waterfalls.

That points to the combined entity being more like the typical water god, temperamental, aloof, and whimsical, hard to be swayed, versus the current affectionate and generous lake lady.
 
[X] Snowblossom as the whole of the central watercourse, (Fewer and less personal blessings easier development along river)
 
[x] Snowblossom as the lake and god of Shenglu(More frequent and focused blessings on Shenglu, more difficult development up and downriver)

Quick question, is the rivers the beaver spirits are damming anywhere close to the river connected to Shenglu?
 
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