If it sounds that convenient at step 1, then it goes without saying that it'll only get better from there.
So less wishfull thinking and more well founded expectations
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
So less wishfull thinking and more well founded expectations
Ephemeral Nights Memory
-Elements: Darkness, Wind
-Meridians: Leg primary, Arm secondary
-Keywords: Connections, Dexterity, Fade, Memory, Stealth, Yin
This combination is essentially an thief's art. It sit in the shared aspects of Darkness and Wind, in that they are both easily overlooked in similar ways(Darkness out of sight and out of mind, Wind in plain sight but unseen), and they both touch upon intangibles(Darkness as the subconscious mind, Wind as communication between minds). It focuses on passing unseen(Leg 3), reaching out to ensure that it stays that way(Arm 2)
In other words, it doesn't steal memories so much as it simply tells the subconcious that there is nothing of note, so it just...never gets remembered
Particularly chilling on SV, since we place a high collective valuation on sanctity of mind.
-Combat utility: Ambush art, Secret preservation.
On the surface its pretty much a basic spiritual ambush art. It lets you reestablish stealth after taking action but before revealing yourself to the enemy. It goes very well with spiritual attack effects with no overt sign, since they can be performed without moving an opponent past Unsure status.
But on a strategc level, being able to wipe out a second of memory means being able to hide your Ace cards longer. Say we have the next finisher of FSS. We use it to hammer the shit out of an opponent...then they forget why they are down on the ground, frozen and weak.
-Playstyle utility: Spy art.
Pretty much perfect for slipping into a guarded location. If you are seen, then you have not actually been seen, so long as you are swift.
-Domain slot message: "Memories fade", "Nobody really pays attenton", "When its over, let it go", "Out of sight, out of mind"
Noting that we seem to be looking at an incomplete picture here, as the blurb itself says there are things worth remembering...just that they are not remembered even so.
Meizhen's father likely had his "nothing to see here" aura from a similar art in his domain I suspect.
For all its utility I'm pretty dubious if this will be slotted.
E: Sleep time. More in the morn!
- Location
- Nightmare realm
Yeah, I personally don thave an issue with slotting it into our domain but if others do that is not an issue but I do hope we decide to train it up, it is powerful for stealth attacks and I honestly realy wish to know what other abilities it could give us around memory stealing/erasure/hiding.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
To be honest, Flight is one of our rare (almost) exclusive tools. Anything that enhances it and allows us to capitalize even more on it should be (ab)used. Comparatively Ling Qi's music, tankiness or even Qi reserves are at best party tricks that more than half the Inner Sect has an equivalent or an answer for.
I'm almost disappointed how people seem to forget how when facing someone that doesn't have flight (or a specific counter to it) we have already won the fight.
Chu Song is probably crying in a corner somewhere...
To be fair all these arts are nice and we would benefit from investing even just 1AP in each to unlock every starting technique, but if there's only one art to get that is the one.
I'm almost disappointed how people seem to forget how when facing someone that doesn't have flight (or a specific counter to it) we have already won the fight.
Chu Song is probably crying in a corner somewhere...
To be fair all these arts are nice and we would benefit from investing even just 1AP in each to unlock every starting technique, but if there's only one art to get that is the one.
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Yeah, there's no way disciples of the Argent Sect have answers to a flying enemy. Why would they need to? We can be entirely secure in the dominance that flight offers us in our current environment.
That's a difficult question. It depends on the limits of what you would call mind control. a social art used by someone like XIulan's mom on a lower realm would probably trip some flags... but its just her being a supernaturally good socialite. Similarly there are memory modifying arts, but they tend to play on the existing foibles of the human mind rather than being outright editing. So in a limited sense, yes, but your not gonna see outright enthrallment arts or whatever.
Yeah arts clan play around with the attributes you use, clans like to cheat and abuse that for more specialization
Its been fixed
Mmm, I'm going to say yes, at the same rate and caps as arts.
three, base insight doesn't count
This is intentional, in the sense that you have to get higher up the chain before you can do better with it. green 3 modding is babys first programmer kit, so it has its limitations
Not in a precise sense, just in a narrative one as in character A does this, then character B does this, and character A has higher initiative, so they react before character C. There's no discrete tracking. Durations are similarly fuzzy.
See below
Okay so front page is updated and new arts are now in the unlearned tab at the bottom of the encylopedia. I cleaned up the grammar in their descriptions as well. As an additional change I've modified the experience for your existing arts downward, in line with the change I mentioned earlier. Numbers balooned a bit more than intended, upon reexamining all the numbers in question
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Are there particular keywords we should look for for this, or is it more a matter of happening upon an art that does it?
I had an old tab open, so here's a comparison between old exp thresholds and new:
Oh, and I don't have an Argent Genesis comparison because I don't think it was on our character sheet previously and screw tracking down where it was actually stated.
Main takeaways are that SCS is doing something interesting with the same exp for two levels in a row, Argents are unchanged, and PLR's next couple levels are pretty accessible.
Oh, and I don't have an Argent Genesis comparison because I don't think it was on our character sheet previously and screw tracking down where it was actually stated.
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Yeah, with EPC being 650 we now can more reasonably get it in one turn when we get to appraisal, which is huge. FSS is also going to take a lot less actions. Overall, I'd say that this changes means it will not only make it much easier to have a full art suite when we get to peak appraisal (we probably won't even notice the bottleneck tbh), but more important it makes the new archive arts more worth it.
Differences between them and current big tickets art is still there, but it's not 'twice as big' anymore.
Differences between them and current big tickets art is still there, but it's not 'twice as big' anymore.
No, I'm a bad person for mostly seeing the bulli possibilities for Covetous Wraith's Yearning when sparring with Meizhen.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Such as brute Force convincing someone by erasing their memory whenever you make a misstep?
probably not gonna be on an archive art
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
@yrsillar a few procedural questions.
1) Can we spend the minimum Sect Job SP (11/mission) on the same turn as we get it? Some people are proposing we should shop for pills next month but we don't have the SP to do it yet.
2) Are Sect Jobs going to basically just be "roll 10+1d10" from now on, or are there still skillchecks and events involved sometimes?
3) Pills from the Sect don't expire right? Like, if we bought a pill next month could we hold it in our inventory and then use it on month five?
4) I've heard from someone we will have an action for exploring the Dreaming Moon Map available next month. Will we be able to spend actions on researching Sect competition/making Sect challenges too? How is that going to work?
1) Can we spend the minimum Sect Job SP (11/mission) on the same turn as we get it? Some people are proposing we should shop for pills next month but we don't have the SP to do it yet.
2) Are Sect Jobs going to basically just be "roll 10+1d10" from now on, or are there still skillchecks and events involved sometimes?
3) Pills from the Sect don't expire right? Like, if we bought a pill next month could we hold it in our inventory and then use it on month five?
4) I've heard from someone we will have an action for exploring the Dreaming Moon Map available next month. Will we be able to spend actions on researching Sect competition/making Sect challenges too? How is that going to work?
My feeling on keyword substitution is that it's supposed to be pretty limited at this stage, and people are kinda getting ahead of themselves with changes that would really be creating new arts.
Like, take a simple example: AE. Changing Projection to Music is a simple change to the execution of the art, that has no bearing on its underlying themes or function. Projection is incidental to the art, and we can easily express the same dark hunger with music - indeed, we already have arts that are close to that.
Worms is something I could also see potentially being able to be tweaked if we could think of a similarly appropriate Earth-based hungry beast.
In contrast Hunger, Earth, and Darkness are all super fundamental to the art. You can't change them without making a new art. Possibly creating derived arts like this is something that we might be able to do in late green or something as our first steps to making completely original arts, but it seems to be far and beyond what basic art modification can do.
Like, take a simple example: AE. Changing Projection to Music is a simple change to the execution of the art, that has no bearing on its underlying themes or function. Projection is incidental to the art, and we can easily express the same dark hunger with music - indeed, we already have arts that are close to that.
Worms is something I could also see potentially being able to be tweaked if we could think of a similarly appropriate Earth-based hungry beast.
In contrast Hunger, Earth, and Darkness are all super fundamental to the art. You can't change them without making a new art. Possibly creating derived arts like this is something that we might be able to do in late green or something as our first steps to making completely original arts, but it seems to be far and beyond what basic art modification can do.
1. I'm going to say no it just introduces even more bookkeeping complication and there is already quite enough of that.
2. Mostly. If I have a reason for a sect job to be narratively significant it might have higher rewards. There are some background rolls to determine how many challenges and of what difficulty they require too, hence the 40 points.
3. No, pills can be used immediately or saved
4. Yes, exploration and challenge related stuff is going to be introduced in the coming month.
Like, I agree with this for everything that isn't just checking the shops, but the vagaries of our sect point gain means that it'll literally be month 3 before we can just look at the shop, and month 4 before we can actually use anything.
Tutoring is part of the month plan, and can be factored into things. Rare pills however can't be used in the same month that we buy them because we don't know what's available to us. Thus, there's already a month delay built into the system there. To use rare pills we have to go:
- Month 1: Get points (and overdo missions to make sure we actually have enough points)
- Month 2: Look at shop and cross fingers that there's anything good
- Month 3: Can actually use the pills we bought now
(and going to the shop *before* the plan vote is obviously even worse and completely non-viable from a management perspective)
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Nolrai
weak to fangs
- Location
- Porltand
The disorientation and short time unfortunately makes it very hard to use socially. A second is like 3 to 5 syllables after all. But it's totally enough to fake abilities we don't actually have. (And ones we do have, of course.)
For social use we really need at least 3 seconds and ideally would like to severely reduce the disorientation effect.
Might be easier to list a small number of interesting pills every month right before the AP vote. Then we can incorporate them fully into planning without needing to prepay or have any wait periods. Downside is you'd have to write ~3 pills every month.
Fair enough.
Maybe if you just generated the shop list at the end of the month though? Then we could just buy the pills as part of our plan in the next month, like a regular pills-buying vote.
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
- Location
- The Warp
I kind of want very much to get it. Now I know that whilst they're genuinely good arts...most of the argent arts aren't good for Ling Qi on a personal level.
Like, the Argent set of arts is an excellent set of arts for a military force.
But I know very well that Argent Current and Argent Storm are honestly really badly suited for us. And Argent Pulse, whilst a nice commander art, is of very limited use to Ling Qi, given the types of battles she's likely to be involved in. Maybe useful for the Inter-Sect tournament?
Anyway, whilst defs better for Ling Qi than AC or AS, AP is still not all that great for her overall.
The reason I still want it though, is that Ys confirmed ages back there are evolved forms of the Argent Arts. And I suspect we can't get the evolved forms without mastering all + Argent Pulse.
And whilst the others are thoroughly meh for Ling Qi, I very very much want the evolved form of Argent Mirror. It's been very useful to Ling Qi as a defence, and also to her character development in the self-reflection and not holding illusions about herself. (Honestly quite a lot of LQ's friends would benefit a lot from the insight of AM)
And I agree with the idea of re-keywording AM. A version using Lake and Moon I could see working very well for her, for retaining its purpose but also suiting her better. Moon has many faces, but all of those faces are real and legitimate, think it could work a bit better for her in reconciling behaving differently under different circumstances.
But yeah, want evolved form before re-keywording.
Peon: We have come across an excellent Heaven art for penetrating defences.
Gu Clan Leader: I will make it use fire instead.
Peon: We have also found a Mountain art that helps resist spiritual attacks.
Gu Clan Leader: I will make it use fire instead.
Peon: Finally we were gifted a stupendous Water art for flowing around obstacles and attacks.
Gu Clan Leader: I will make it use fire instead.
Peon: ...but it's a Water art. The concepts are utterly antithetical to fire!
Gu Clan Leader: I WILL MAKE IT USE FIRE INSTEAD.
Origami Clock
Right twice a day
- Location
- Brighton, UK
Gu Patriach: YOU CANNOT ATTACK ME FOR I AM GLORIOUS NAPALM!
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Historian: -and that is why elemental monofocus tends to end with barren wastelands filled only with corpses, monsters and corpse monsters.