BungieONI
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That's Argent Pulse. You get it from mastering AM, AC and AStorm.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
BungieONI
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It's been discussed repeatedly in this thread and while we have no direct "This is it's block" we have information about it. Look to the earlier bits of this thread.
Suffice to say what you'll likely find is that I am a vehement opponent of getting it.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
Sort of. It is a command art. It talks about encouraging people to stand with earth and attack getting them to attack with the might of heaven.
The art's official description is better but makes it sound like it forces people to keep fighting past when they normally would fall and die. Not super appealing to me.
Can you perhaps link to the description?
Because I just searched for it but found little in the way of solid information.
This said, a buffing art sounds interesting for our spirit heavy and support build.
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My feelings are this: there's definitely potential in these arts, but none simply fill a slot without thought. The combination of arts we pick, and how everything works together and covers our bases is important.
We still have Anti-Dispel as a really critical hole in our build we need to fill at the very least. We should do more research next turn to expand our options and cover all our bases here, and hopefully by the third month Cai will have gotten back to us with some more options.
Then we can look at everything as a whole and think about what arts would work best for us.
We still have Anti-Dispel as a really critical hole in our build we need to fill at the very least. We should do more research next turn to expand our options and cover all our bases here, and hopefully by the third month Cai will have gotten back to us with some more options.
Then we can look at everything as a whole and think about what arts would work best for us.
Agree here.
This said, I am quite particular to the ENM/AFL combo.
Skyrim stealth is all kinds of fun.
BungieONI
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So, I think where you need to go if you want the deets on the Argent Pulse discussion is in page 28 or page 39. It's hard to pin point when the debate we had about Pulse started. E: It started around either one of those.
Also yeah skyrim stealth is funny.
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- United States of America
Here is the best and most accurate description we have.
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- Staring into the void
ASA? Or something else?
Thank you.
This doesn't sound bad?
The whole "till the last breath" is more a rhetoric in my opinion, and any commander can just order a retreat, but a possibility for combat communication, more armor/resilience through Earth and ignoring wound penalties is something I think would fit great into our support/extra spirit combatants build.
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BungieONI
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I'll just post my initial posts on the matter here, but I really suggest you look at other people, particularly the ones I was arguing with.
After that or sometime around this point I actually came to being convinced after talking to Erebeal and Neshuakdal that Argent Current and Storm have nothing of worth to me because they pointed out that the nebulous "mastery bonuses" I was basing my entire support of them on didn't exist. At this point I only want to train up Genesis because it is quite functional, and cultivation arts have to be treated differently, with how they are all essentially stacking bonuses.
E: If you want more elaboration on my basic points against Argent Pulse, just ask.
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Alectai
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To be fair, yrsillar later confirmed it's not a melee commander art, but you've made your opinions abundantly clear on your peak level Argent Hate.
Fortunately, I'm pretty happy with the new stuff right now. They're all worth picking up at some point, even if they're not necessarily the best combat packages.
Fortunately, I'm pretty happy with the new stuff right now. They're all worth picking up at some point, even if they're not necessarily the best combat packages.
BungieONI
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And this is why I pointed out that tenchifew should go read the rest of the stuff other people wrote, because I couldn't find where that bit was.
E: I am also interested in your opinion on the arts we got here in more detail.
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Alright, guess I'll jump on the bandwagon and add my thoughts on the new arts.
The first thing that comes to mind is that they are, as expected, sideboard/niche arts. That is not a bad thing, it was exactly what I (and I think most other follks too) were looking to get, sideboard stuff, additional tools to have, as finding something that is better than our main arts is highly unlikely. that being said, I completely agree with bungieONI re: priorities:
In my opinions, the new arts are mostly nice to have, but lower priority than our core stuff, so I'd say we take liberally, but weigh carefully if we want to train them, and prioritize core stuff like SCS.
Now, without further ado:
Priority 2, together with HDW
I'll put it a Priority 3, nice to have but the social perception stuff seems more immediately useful with CRX' expectations.
Priority 1, solely because it enhances SCS which is core. Otherwise i'd prioritize the social perception art combo of CWY&HDW.
Priority 2 together with CWY.
Magpie art? I dunno, the physical avoid could be nice, but overall it seems easier to sneak into people's rooms at night and snort their pills, than stealing their talismans this way.
Priority 4, the most niche one I think, as others have pointed out this is mostly overshadowed by SCS.
As I've said, to me all of these arts are less important than our core stuff, as has been pointed out by others, still, I consider this trip to the archive worthwhile. Now its up to planning to see what we can throw in where.
The first thing that comes to mind is that they are, as expected, sideboard/niche arts. That is not a bad thing, it was exactly what I (and I think most other follks too) were looking to get, sideboard stuff, additional tools to have, as finding something that is better than our main arts is highly unlikely. that being said, I completely agree with bungieONI re: priorities:
In my opinions, the new arts are mostly nice to have, but lower priority than our core stuff, so I'd say we take liberally, but weigh carefully if we want to train them, and prioritize core stuff like SCS.
Now, without further ado:
I think the first technique here is great, helps us fill the role that CRX apparently has in mind for us, especially together with Harmony of the Dancing Wind. The forced movement tech has powerful niche utility, nice to have in certain situations. As some have pointed out there is a bit of a manipulator theme attached, but I can live with that, not like we want to slot it in the domain or anything.
Priority 2, together with HDW
Skyrim stealth! Also memory fuckery. A tool for the larceny toolbox, and I'm rather curious to see what other techs might come up down the line.
I'll put it a Priority 3, nice to have but the social perception stuff seems more immediately useful with CRX' expectations.
More Larceny abilities, plus shoring up some other useful areas like research and formations. Its "nice to have" on its own, but I think it becomes good because of the synergy between seeking moon's eyes and SCS - teleporting through walls. That makes it combat relevant; while we have mostly been fighting in relatively open arenas, that is by no means given to stay that way, and the ability to disappear through walls is powerful inside a building.
Priority 1, solely because it enhances SCS which is core. Otherwise i'd prioritize the social perception art combo of CWY&HDW.
Damn, this would be perfect if it was stealthy. being able to listen in on people we are sneaking around would be great, as is, it still makes for a powerful social ability given our bard role in CRX' plans, but it becomes much more niche.
Priority 2 together with CWY.
Magpie art? I dunno, the physical avoid could be nice, but overall it seems easier to sneak into people's rooms at night and snort their pills, than stealing their talismans this way.
Priority 4, the most niche one I think, as others have pointed out this is mostly overshadowed by SCS.
As I've said, to me all of these arts are less important than our core stuff, as has been pointed out by others, still, I consider this trip to the archive worthwhile. Now its up to planning to see what we can throw in where.
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Thats just ouch!! You have my sympathies.
Do you have some kind of system or excel spreadsheet or something that takes off a lot of the workload or do you have to do all this by hand? I really like the dice system this quest uses but dang is it work heavy. Hope you find a nice way to condense it
Arkeus
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What the hell are you talking about.
I just said that Jack Slash having the same art wasn't to say the art is bad because he used it. I said it was his art because it's the best possible way to describe the art. That's what the art is, and does.
Now, let's take your example:
I never said anything against that. I said that the art is designed to be able to detect the girl wants the flowers, and designed to know that you can make her like you more by giving you the flowers. You are the one somehow harping on how I said the art is evil or some such, and then pointing out evil things about arts.
It's not about 'trusting in this community' or whatever. Let's take Suyin for example. She chose to rework an art working on souls to work on spirit stones. Coveteous Wraith Yearning is an art that works by finding weaknesses in people and using those weaknesses. It can definitely be used to do good things. I never said the opposite, and I don't know why you are stuck on that.
It just doesn't fit Ling Qi at all. It's not her story. Ling Qi didn't find people's desires and try to fullfill those desires. Ling Qi didn't see that Meizhen was lonely and exploited that desire for company. Ling Qi went to a girl for company and tried to show herself worthy of her. Ling Qi's relationship with Meizhen was in good part wanting to repay her, not wanting to befriend her. You are hung up on an art being explicitely about being Jack Slash and taking it as saying "it's making Ling Qi evil" for some unknown reasons.
Maybe I should make a comparison here:
Potency: Green 1
Potency Growth: Green 2(3), Green 3(5)
Max Level: 5
Needed Meridians: Head x2, spine(1), Head(3), Spine(5)
Keywords: Dark, Desire, Empathy, Connection, Perceptiveness, Presence, Yin
Experience: 100, 150, 200, 300, 400
Most spirits of darkness are quiescant things, wisps born in the night and dead by morning, comfortable in their irrelevance and nonexistence. Those that cling to existence under the rays of the morning sun are hungry things, stained by desires drawn from human and beast alike. The desire to be, and live, and take. In many ways spirits of darkness are a reflection of the fundamental drives of life, and as such there is much understanding to be gained from their perspective.
Passives:
+10 to Social Perception
+5 to Combat Perception
+5 to Initiative
+5 to Spiritual Armor
Seeking the Hearthfire: D
Duration: Long
Using this art, the user channels dark qi through their mundanes senses, enhancing their ability to understand the desires and bonds between those in their sight, and the ways in which they might insinuate themselves into those things. This sharpening of senses also allows the user to react more quickly to the hostility of foes, increasing their initiative and avoid.
Welcoming in Shadow: D
Duration: Short
The darkness spirit might seem a pitable thing, ut it does not due to forget the danger and hunger they represent. Desire is a deadly thing, and has unmade many. Shrouding themselves in the raiment of the dark, the user tugs at the strings of an enemies desires, focusing their attention upon them. An enemy so affected will approach the user at their full speed, and may target no one else while under their this thrall. The approach effect can be resisted with a resolve of C or greater. While this technique is active, the users armor of both types increases significantly, as they take on a wraiths phantasmal traits.
Potency Growth: Green 2(3), Green 3(5)
Max Level: 5
Needed Meridians: Head x2, spine(1), Head(3), Spine(5)
Keywords: Dark, Desire, Empathy, Connection, Perceptiveness, Presence, Yin
Experience: 100, 150, 200, 300, 400
Most spirits of darkness are quiescant things, wisps born in the night and dead by morning, comfortable in their irrelevance and nonexistence. Those that cling to existence under the rays of the morning sun are hungry things, stained by desires drawn from human and beast alike. The desire to be, and live, and take. In many ways spirits of darkness are a reflection of the fundamental drives of life, and as such there is much understanding to be gained from their perspective.
Passives:
+10 to Social Perception
+5 to Combat Perception
+5 to Initiative
+5 to Spiritual Armor
Seeking the Hearthfire: D
Duration: Long
Using this art, the user channels dark qi through their mundanes senses, enhancing their ability to understand the desires and bonds between those in their sight, and the ways in which they might insinuate themselves into those things. This sharpening of senses also allows the user to react more quickly to the hostility of foes, increasing their initiative and avoid.
Welcoming in Shadow: D
Duration: Short
The darkness spirit might seem a pitable thing, ut it does not due to forget the danger and hunger they represent. Desire is a deadly thing, and has unmade many. Shrouding themselves in the raiment of the dark, the user tugs at the strings of an enemies desires, focusing their attention upon them. An enemy so affected will approach the user at their full speed, and may target no one else while under their this thrall. The approach effect can be resisted with a resolve of C or greater. While this technique is active, the users armor of both types increases significantly, as they take on a wraiths phantasmal traits.
Potency: Green 1
Potency Growth: Green 2(3), Green 3(5)
Max Level 5
Needed Meridians: Head x2, Heart x1(1), Heart(3), Head(5)
Keywords: Connections, Empathy, Presence, Perceptiveness, ManipulationMusic, Wind, Yang
Experience: 100, 150, 200, 300, 400
There lies a beauty in patterns, of spirits and men alike. This melody exults in the complex dance of winds which brings us weather and the seasons, and in doing, teaches the musician to see and pluck at the lesser patterns and connections in the world around. The harmony reveals the web which connects all things, if the players eyes are but sharp enough to see.
Passives
+10 to Social Perception
+5 to Combat Perception
+5 to Spiritual Hit
+5 to Spiritual Avoid
Spring Breeze Canto: D
Duration: Long
This ephemeral melody rings out with the vital curiosity of youth, The melody carries the musician's perception among her listeners, allowing her to clearly hear and see any one of them, regardless of distractions, so long as the songs echoes last
Summer's Day Rising: D
Duration: Short
This piece, embodying the optimism and hope, speaks to the musicians bond with her listeners. Even the tenuous bond of casual acquaintance thrums with new hope, bolstering allies against spiritual attacks and deceptions. Those of stronger bond are bolstered still further, buoyed by their connection with the musician.
Potency Growth: Green 2(3), Green 3(5)
Max Level 5
Needed Meridians: Head x2, Heart x1(1), Heart(3), Head(5)
Keywords: Connections, Empathy, Presence, Perceptiveness, ManipulationMusic, Wind, Yang
Experience: 100, 150, 200, 300, 400
There lies a beauty in patterns, of spirits and men alike. This melody exults in the complex dance of winds which brings us weather and the seasons, and in doing, teaches the musician to see and pluck at the lesser patterns and connections in the world around. The harmony reveals the web which connects all things, if the players eyes are but sharp enough to see.
Passives
+10 to Social Perception
+5 to Combat Perception
+5 to Spiritual Hit
+5 to Spiritual Avoid
Spring Breeze Canto: D
Duration: Long
This ephemeral melody rings out with the vital curiosity of youth, The melody carries the musician's perception among her listeners, allowing her to clearly hear and see any one of them, regardless of distractions, so long as the songs echoes last
Summer's Day Rising: D
Duration: Short
This piece, embodying the optimism and hope, speaks to the musicians bond with her listeners. Even the tenuous bond of casual acquaintance thrums with new hope, bolstering allies against spiritual attacks and deceptions. Those of stronger bond are bolstered still further, buoyed by their connection with the musician.
Covetous:
- Keywords: Dark, Desire, Empathy, Connection, Perceptiveness, Presence, Yin
- reflections of drive of life, especially desire to be/live/take
- Understands the desires of people, understand how to insinuate ourself in them
- Understand how to tug people's desire so that we are the most important to them
There is nothing wrong with manipulating people, but Coveteous is all about making it about the user. It's about the desire to be the one taking and the one living, while Ling Qi has grown to desire to be one sheltering and giving, too.
Harmony:
- Keywords: Connections, Empathy, Presence, Perceptiveness, Manipulation, Music, Wind, Yang
- Find the beauty in the world, Find the pattern in the world and how things each things connect
- Driven by curiosity, look at people
- Plays on your connection to people to bolster their hopes, and the stronger your connection the more hope you give them
This is Ling Qi's story, because it's how she has grown. Her strong desire to cling and buy to her friend was always secondary to her strong desire to make her friends happy in the only ways she could find, and the more she loved her friends the more she wanted to give to them, rather than the more vulnerable they were the more we wanted to insinuate ourself.
It's about themes, here. There is no evil arts, whatever you are trying to pretend. There are themes.
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You know what we should use Art Alteration on ? TRF
Making it Music/Yin would be hilariously apropos for Ling Qi.
On the New Arts, i think one thing that hasn't been pointed out is that all these Arts are extremely cheap (PLR has levels that cost more than the entirety of those arts do).
As such i believe they are not intended to be Core Arts but rather supplementary arts that we fit in and out depending on the situation. As such i think we should only focus on the Arts tool they offer us rather than any kind of theme they have.
Note: as a bonus for their obvious low quality, these Arts probably have successor arts in the upper levels of the Archive.
Making it Music/Yin would be hilariously apropos for Ling Qi.
On the New Arts, i think one thing that hasn't been pointed out is that all these Arts are extremely cheap (PLR has levels that cost more than the entirety of those arts do).
As such i believe they are not intended to be Core Arts but rather supplementary arts that we fit in and out depending on the situation. As such i think we should only focus on the Arts tool they offer us rather than any kind of theme they have.
Note: as a bonus for their obvious low quality, these Arts probably have successor arts in the upper levels of the Archive.
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- Nightmare realm
Agreed, I feel like people are getting too hung up on what the art themes are. We are not going to have to slot them and still have time to find other arts.
Um, a lot of these arts are very slottable. Harmony especially.
Moreover do you know how hard it is to get the thread to drop anything once they've gotten attached to it? We really can't change course easily. To say nothing of the fact that with our schedule we don't really have time to spend going down dead ends.
Fortunately, all of the arts yrs has created here actually fit Ling Qi very well.
I like Harmony more too, but I think you're being unfair to Covetous Wraith here. It is very much an expression of Ling Qi's experience and perspective. Look back to her conversation with Zeqing and her thoughts about her greed and how she clings to her friends. Look at her generally cynical perspective on people. Covetous is very much about "I want to hold them to me and have them love me". Rather than framing the perception as about manipulation, I would frame it as a symbolic representation of Ling Qi's perspective. Her intimate understanding of greed and desire, and attunement to the darkness that lies within the heart of man allows her to read and understand such things in others. Indeed, she has a tendency to naturally interpret people through this lens in the first place.
It is a very Ling Qi art. Where Harmony is more symbolic of her hopes and dreams, Covetous is her darker drives and cynicism.
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Domain slotting is basically that, made into a mechanic.
If we have disposable minions it'd be quite useful to force them fight longer than they normally can. AE Worms are an example. Ossuary Horror (with CWY's taunt sloted in it) is an other.
And that's assuming it's not something you just want for your allies, as to me it sound more like a case where you allow them to continue fighting instead of dieing.
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So, I know I'm pretty late to the party, but I guess I feel like tossing in my two cents too. I'm overall in agreement that we should go on another archive dive or two before learning any new arts, and I think we also need to look at what are the successor arts for our current main arts, and can we get our hands on those successor arts. Ideally, I'd like to wait to see what successor arts we can get, then pick and choose from the archive arts we've previously researched, and perhaps vote for a build by plan instead of by individual arts.
That said, let's look at the arts we've got on this dive. Wraith, Diviners, and Harmony are the perception arts of this dive, but none of them quite seem to be what we're looking for. Wraith is closest in terms of wide applicability, but it also comes with a frankly unnecessary taunt. Diviners is more about academics than general perception, and Harmony is useful, but requires you to be playing music to activate it, so that's not remotely subtle. Basically, they're good perception arts in their niche, but I think we can find better.
Lark looks like it could be a successor to SCS if we can't find SCS+, or synergize well with SCS if it turns out we have the space for it. I'm very interested in the physical avoid aspect of it, since that's something SCS doesn't quite do, but again, it depends on if we have the space for it.
Then we have Ephemeral Night's Memory. In my view, this is the one art of this dive that perfectly fills a hole we were looking to fill. This seems to be the combat stealth art, the dedicated stealth art that makes stealth relevant for combat. It synergizes extremely well with FVM or PLR, while not actually doing what FVM or PLR does. When the times comes that we vote for arts to learn, this will likely be my top pick, barring better arts in future archive dives.
That said, let's look at the arts we've got on this dive. Wraith, Diviners, and Harmony are the perception arts of this dive, but none of them quite seem to be what we're looking for. Wraith is closest in terms of wide applicability, but it also comes with a frankly unnecessary taunt. Diviners is more about academics than general perception, and Harmony is useful, but requires you to be playing music to activate it, so that's not remotely subtle. Basically, they're good perception arts in their niche, but I think we can find better.
Lark looks like it could be a successor to SCS if we can't find SCS+, or synergize well with SCS if it turns out we have the space for it. I'm very interested in the physical avoid aspect of it, since that's something SCS doesn't quite do, but again, it depends on if we have the space for it.
Then we have Ephemeral Night's Memory. In my view, this is the one art of this dive that perfectly fills a hole we were looking to fill. This seems to be the combat stealth art, the dedicated stealth art that makes stealth relevant for combat. It synergizes extremely well with FVM or PLR, while not actually doing what FVM or PLR does. When the times comes that we vote for arts to learn, this will likely be my top pick, barring better arts in future archive dives.
This depends entirely upon how much time we're willing to spend to do so.
Now, we absolutely must leave room open to afford Sect Points and Contribution Points in order to guarantee access to a Junior Pillmaker each month and so that we have the resources required to challenge. That's three Sect Jobs per month, with a touch of overflow for other purposes and/or to adjust the amount we do each month, and one AP for 'duties'.
So call it about four AP, split into Sect Jobs and Sect Duties.
If we aren't willing to spend an extra few months cultivating new Arts and/or improving our Formations, our schedule looks roughly like the following:
Turn 3: 4x Physical Cultivation, 4x Spiritual Cultivation, 4x EPC, 4x FVM, 4 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 4: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x SCS, 4x FSS (Bronze Two), 4 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 5: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, Meridian Condensing x5, 4x TRF, 3 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 6: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, Meridian Condensing x6, 3x PLR, 3 AP for Sect stuff. Green Three.
Turn 7: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x EPC, 4x FVM+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff
Turn 8: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x FSS+, 4x SCS+, Bronze Three.
Turn 9: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x TRF+, 4x PLR, 4 AP for Sect Stuff.
Turn 4: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x SCS, 4x FSS (Bronze Two), 4 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 5: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, Meridian Condensing x5, 4x TRF, 3 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 6: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, Meridian Condensing x6, 3x PLR, 3 AP for Sect stuff. Green Three.
Turn 7: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x EPC, 4x FVM+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff
Turn 8: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x FSS+, 4x SCS+, Bronze Three.
Turn 9: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x TRF+, 4x PLR, 4 AP for Sect Stuff.
This is a rough outline, makes a bunch of assumptions.
We'd have basically no time whatsoever. It does hit Green Three by Turn Six, and presuming the increase remains as expected (3600 successes to Green Four, 4800 successes to Green Five) it should take about six months at 8x GSS to reach Green Four - right around Turn Twelve, with the Tournament expected to be around Turn 19 or so (presuming one year is thirteen months) and the end of our time in the Inner Sect at roughly turn 26.
Green Five would be another eight turns of dedicated cultivation at roughly 600 successes/turn, putting that at around turn twenty - provided we didn't 'take time off' to better prepare for the Tournament.
Taking two months 'off' of physical and spiritual cultivation leaves us with something like the following:
Turn 3: 4x Physical Cultivation, 4x Spiritual Cultivation, 4x EPC, 4x FVM, 4 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 4: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x SCS, 4x FSS (Bronze Two), 4 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 5: Meridian Condensing x6 (SCS, FVM), 4x TRF, 4x PLR, 2 AP for Sect stuff, 2 AP Archive Dive (Second Floor?), 2 AP Free.
Turn 6: Meridian Condensing x5 (FSS, TRF), 4x SCS+, 4x FVM+, 3 AP for Sect Stuff, 4 AP Free.
Turn 7: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x FSS+, 4x TRF+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff.
Turn 8: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4 AP for Sect Stuff. 8 AP Free. Green Three.
Turn 9: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x EPC, 4x Core Art, 4 AP Sect stuff.
Turn 10: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x Core Art 1, 4x Core Art 2, 4 AP Sect Stuff Bronze Three
Turn 4: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x SCS, 4x FSS (Bronze Two), 4 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 5: Meridian Condensing x6 (SCS, FVM), 4x TRF, 4x PLR, 2 AP for Sect stuff, 2 AP Archive Dive (Second Floor?), 2 AP Free.
Turn 6: Meridian Condensing x5 (FSS, TRF), 4x SCS+, 4x FVM+, 3 AP for Sect Stuff, 4 AP Free.
Turn 7: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x FSS+, 4x TRF+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff.
Turn 8: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4 AP for Sect Stuff. 8 AP Free. Green Three.
Turn 9: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x EPC, 4x Core Art, 4 AP Sect stuff.
Turn 10: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x Core Art 1, 4x Core Art 2, 4 AP Sect Stuff Bronze Three
This provides 14 AP free. That's enough to pick up and master roughly two new Arts (Counting opening new Meridians), or one new Art and advance our Formations and Argent Genesis. We'd still reach Green Four with plenty of time to spare for the Tournament, at roughly Turn 14, and Green Five by turn 22.
A Three month break, on the other hand...
Turn 3: 4x Physical Cultivation, 4x Spiritual Cultivation, 4x EPC, 4x FVM, 4 AP for Sect stuff.
Turn 4: 4x Physical, 4x SCS, 4x FSS, 4x TRF, 4 AP for Sect stuff, Bronze Two.
Turn 5: Meridian Condensing x8 (SCS, FVM, TRF), 4x PLR, 4 AP for Sect stuff, 2 AP 2nd Floor Archive Dive, 2 AP Free.
Turn 6: Meridian Condensing x3 (FSS), 4x SCS+, 4x FVM+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff, 5 AP Free.
Turn 7: 4x Spiritual, 4x FSS+, 4x TRF+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff, 4 AP Free.
Turn 8: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4 AP for Sect Stuff. 8 AP Free.
Turn 9: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4 AP for Sect Stuff. 8 AP Free. Green Three.
Turn 10: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x EPC, 4x Core Art, 4 AP Sect Stuff.
Turn 11: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x Core Art 1, 4x Core Art 2, 4 AP Sect Stuff Bronze Three.
Turn 4: 4x Physical, 4x SCS, 4x FSS, 4x TRF, 4 AP for Sect stuff, Bronze Two.
Turn 5: Meridian Condensing x8 (SCS, FVM, TRF), 4x PLR, 4 AP for Sect stuff, 2 AP 2nd Floor Archive Dive, 2 AP Free.
Turn 6: Meridian Condensing x3 (FSS), 4x SCS+, 4x FVM+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff, 5 AP Free.
Turn 7: 4x Spiritual, 4x FSS+, 4x TRF+, 4 AP for Sect Stuff, 4 AP Free.
Turn 8: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4 AP for Sect Stuff. 8 AP Free.
Turn 9: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4 AP for Sect Stuff. 8 AP Free. Green Three.
Turn 10: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x EPC, 4x Core Art, 4 AP Sect Stuff.
Turn 11: 4x Physical, 4x Spiritual, 4x Core Art 1, 4x Core Art 2, 4 AP Sect Stuff Bronze Three.
30 AP Free - that's roughly three new Arts (Including opened Meridians: something like 7 AP per Art?), Formations, and AG. Green Four at roughly Turn 15, and Green Five by turn 23 - probably a little tight there.
I don't think we want to spend more than three months 'off' of Physical/Spiritual cultivation, however. It doesn't seem particularly wise, not if we want to hit Green Five before the end of Year Two and still have time to do that final push into the top 530, 5 ranks behind CRX, with Green Five Potency Arts.
This presumes a whole hell of a lot, of course. 600 successes/4 AP on Physical and Spiritual, each Art only takes 4 AP to reach the maximum level of Mastery at Green Two provided we're pushing max GSS and rare pills, that stuff doesn't come up to abruptly throw us off our 'game-plan', that we find the resources to keep pushing 8 GSS/turn beyond expected limits, etc.
It also isn't perfect. A few tweaks here and there would likely improve it immensely - genuine optimization this far in advance is difficult and time consuming, what with all the variables to move around, especially with the known unknowns: How good are the Junior Pillmakers? Senior Pillmakers? How much of a boost is Core Tutoring? Elder Tutoring? What are the locations around here like? How good are the talismans available from the crafters? Let alone all the stuff we don't know anything at all about.
I think I've convinced myself to go for Three months off... probably going to end up doing more math on that subject, see how much AP I can trim off of our Arts training.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
Lets go back to the basics of this argument because you seemed to be bouncing all over the place and either I am several misunderstanding what you are saying or you are several misunderstanding what I am saying.
You don't think anyone should look at this art. Why? What is wrong with an art that acts like a succubus or a blood knight or like Jack slash. Why would we not want this art?