???? Why? Weddings involve diplomacy and etiquette sure, but a lavish one involves as much coin as stewardship that Rhaenyra recently trained.
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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Imperious
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Maybe one way to handle it could be would be to give the eggs to our half brothers but help our half sisters bond with adult dragons, that aren't one of the big three of Vermithor, Silverwing and Dreamfyre. If nothing else if in a war over the succession the opposition will have to make use of warrior women riding dragons into battle, then they'll have less room to throw shade at us for our Visenya reborn background, and it'll be harder for them to argue for the necessary primacy of boys in the succession when they themselves raise princesses into warriors.
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your missing the intrigue part of dealing with several opinionated, possibly offensive guests, without giving away the rising desire to throttle the lot of them.
The realm isn't exactly hurting for coin, and Rhaenyra is merely decent, and has little interest in coin, while whoever the brides family might involve will be from the westerlands, and likely have made a career of counting coin and negotiating prices.
thats part of attending the wedding that we would not be able to avoid anyway
planning the wedding like we are doing is about organizing the whole shebang from ensuring there is enough food and drinks, to organizing the entertainment
the closest we will come to intrigue or diplo action will making the seating chart and whom to seat where both to show their importance to us as well as ensuring that no feuding lords like blackwood and bracken are seated next to each other
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Also importantly our step-mother will be helping plan this event, and can cover for any mishaps we might make through her own planning. To say nothing of the fact that other members of the small council and Viserys's household will be helping as well.
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I find it hilarious that I can imagine Otto screaming into a pillow or a wall at the current turn of events. Not only has his "My blood on the throne" main plan failed, but the OTHER route might be more difficult considering how Rhaenyra is currently acting moderately more intelligent than he suspects for a warrior-princess.
I can 100% see him trying to get one of his sons into our bed, as a side result, though.
I can 100% see him trying to get one of his sons into our bed, as a side result, though.
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It won't work, we've opted to ignore Gwayne despite at least two opportunities to talk when he was in the capital (on Turns 1 and 4).
He'd have better luck making the "t" in Alicent upper-case.
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I mean there will be more opportunities. I don't think any marriage options for Rhaenyra are shut off from us at this moment.
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We ignored him socially. But that may only have limited bearings on a purely political marriage (I would still prefer Laenor here, but Gwayne is not a bad match, given the Hightower's power in the current era).
Imperious
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Viserys didn't seek out Alicent either. Otto told Alicent to seek him out instead. I half expect that our action to meet with Alicent this turn will involve Gwayne showing up at some point with Alicent saying: "By the way Rhaenyra this is my brother Gwayne. He's a great guy. Aren't you a great guy Gwayne?" Since him trying to use Alicent's connection to us to get us ro meet Gwayne seems like a very Otto like move, and at this point its either marrying a son of his to us or waiting for the next generation after us for him to sit his blood on the throne by marrying one of his grandchildren either to one of our children or one of Johanna's.
I half expect that Viserys not marrying Alicent is the reason why Gwayne is back in the capitol this turn when he wasn't in the turn before that.
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Whether there will be more opportunities is somewhat orthogonal to the question of whether the players will elect to pursue them. I haven't gotten the impression we collectively find Gwayne or any of Otto's other sons worth our while.
Imperious
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Gwayne's a pretty cool dude, but Otto himself is a second son set to inherit nothing, and so are his children. Unless after meeting Gwayne we see that he fits our romantic trait to a t or we decide we really desperately need Otto's support it's hard to imagine us going for him.
Though if nothing else a Hightower like Gwayne would probably be a respectable enough match for Viserys to approve of it.
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Just because it won't work doesn't mean he won't try. He'd be a fool considering that we are probably going to end up playing Rhaenyra Girlkisser.
(Also, I have no idea what you mean by "making the t")
Imperious
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Anyway judging by how Otto handled the matter of Viserys and Alicent I doubt he'd pressure us about a marriage to Gwayne. He seems more likely to try to arrange various meetings between us in order to try to have Gwayne charm us somehow. Probably say something in our next conversation about how Gwayne was hoping to meet us again after he has Alicent introduce us to him this turn. If we come to him saying we're looking for a marriage option or that we're having an issue that could be solved with a political marriage, that's when I expect he would suggest it outright like how he did with Aegon and Rhaenyra in canon.
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Marrying Gwayne wouldn't be the worst idea in the world (even if we do love Alicent more) as it would make Otto Hightower into an ally. I also hope that such a match would hopefully be a gender-flipped version of Renly-Margery match of Canon (amicable and functional).
Honestly as long as Alicent Hightower doesn't go all Elissa Farman on us, we should be fine.
Honestly as long as Alicent Hightower doesn't go all Elissa Farman on us, we should be fine.
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I know it wouldn't make sense, but I have this mental image of Otto being like "Gwayne, you lost your mom right? Cool, so has Rhaenyra, you two have so much in common, please try seducing her."
Like, it wouldn't fit, but the image of Otto just being this very absentee dad is amusing to me.
Clearly the true question of this wedding will be: Will Rhaenyra meet the legendary partier Victaria Tyrell?
Edit: Should we invite her to be one of our ladies in waiting for the royal tour?
Edit: Should we invite her to be one of our ladies in waiting for the royal tour?
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On the whole gathering political allies for potential future wars (looking at you Daemon & Corlys). We need to figure out a few things:
- How many Greens supported Aegon because they wanted to uphold Andal succession, how many did so because they were Pro-Otto Hightower, how many did it because they were anti-Daemon and how many did it because they just hated Rhaenyra?
- How many Blacks supported Rhaenyra because they Pro-Rhaenyra, how many did so because of the oaths sworn and how many did so because they were Anti-Otto Hightower?
- How much support could Daemon conjure up for any bid on the throne (and whether marring Laena Velaryon would get him more or less support)
- How much support could Corlys Velaryon conjure up for any bid to enthrone either his wife or his son?
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Shapeless Phobos
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If we're going to marry a Hightower why not check out the actual Lord of Oldtown, Ormund? Looking at when his eldest son is born he could very well not be married yet and around our age. Just do as was planned with Rhaenyra's canon kids and have one of the younger kids inherit Oldtown and take up the Hightower name. That's if we click of course...though if we do maybe he'll let us practice wielding valyrian steel with their family sword?
(Otto watching from the back as he near misses every chance for a royal marriage for his line, ignorant of Alicent potentially cinching actual political power for them just by ignoring much of what he taught her was expected of her.)
(Otto watching from the back as he near misses every chance for a royal marriage for his line, ignorant of Alicent potentially cinching actual political power for them just by ignoring much of what he taught her was expected of her.)
Imperious
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Ormund might actually be a viable match for us. Right now he should still be his father's heir, and the ages are such that he's probably not too far from us in age.
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Viserys sometimes uses it for ceremonial purposes. I imagine it's either in his chambers or somewhere in the armory of the Red Keep. Either way it's closely monitored given it's value to the royal family.
Imperious
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Looking at the level of the Great houses, the Hightowers supported the Greens due to ties with Otto, Storm's End supported the Greens due to Borros feeling ignored by the Targs and wanting a royal marriage for his daughters, Jason Lannister may have supported the Greens in part because he felt rejected by Rhaenyra due to not being picked during the courting.
You know one idea I have, if we keep sinking actions into improving our relationship with Alicent, maybe we should try to fit her a politically beneficial marriage. If we're going to spend all this time on making sure she's our bestie then once she marries she'd probably do what she can to have whoever she marries support us.
In that regard Jason Lannister is an interesting idea. It would help salve any wound to his pride from being rejected by us and hey, Viserys just married Jason's canonical wife.
Jeyne Arryn hates Daemon, but canonically was still willing to support us due to a combination of our mother being an Arryn and us being fellow women rulers. Provided we can protect them with dragons like they wanted in canon, the Vale should be good for us. The North followed Rhaenyra due to their oaths. So did the Riverlands, though they were more fractious about it.
The Velaryons are more tricky. Rhaenyra was married to Corlys' heir, but it was widely believed that her children were from another man, which they were. Most likely the double betrothals of Jace and Luke to Baela and Rhaena were done in order to get the Velaryons on camp since the Velaryons knew that without them their blood wouldn't sit the throne. It's possible we could get them on our side in the future if we marry our heir to a Velaryon, even if we don't marry Laenor, but without a royal marriage I don't see them fighting for us.
The thing is Daemon won't try to depose his brother and if we have a half brother then he'd have a very weak claim. By Andal succession laws we come before Daemon in the inheritance, let alone any brothers of ours. In canon he got around to putting trying to put his butt on the throne by marrying Rhaenyra. I believe we can be fairly sure that Daemon won't try to marry any of our half brothers, so I'm not sure what he'd do if we won't marry him.
Very little for either Rhaenys or Laenor given how long Viserys has been ruling. Daemon would probably have a better claim then them at that point.
Viserys uses it from time to time when he wants to look impressive.
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Yeah, the Blackfyre family hasn't become a thing yet, so we have that sword in a vault and/or armoury.
Though on a similar note, does Lord Flea Bottom still have Dark Sister? I'm assuming he does.
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I like to imagine that Johanna Westerling got the position of Queen because the Wrestling either produced or fabricated a note from Jaehaerys Targaryen which either thanked them for knocking off Maegor or apologizing for what they suffered under Maegor.