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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Alpaca27 said:
Probably go a different way when she is married to Viserys for years, the most adamant Rhaenyra stan in Westeros.

And again the way you word "secure the rule of her son" feels misleading about the things she did. Makes her sound like a heartless monster killing cousins and uncles to ensure that her son rules. Which she didn't, she just fought proactively against incredibly harsh Inroborn raids that were ravaging the Westerlands.

She didn't kill any rivals, she didn't grasp for more power, she fought a defensive war for her homeland. And when they finally got the resources to get some revenge, she took the opportunity. Which is completely fair because I'm pretty sure most people raided by Ironborn wished that they could sail to the Iron Islands and start cutting them back too.
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She also had a preteen child of her enemy gelded and made into a fool for her son. I think Rodrik Greyjoy was about 8 years old when she took him captive.

And again, in a setting like Westeros trying to crown a brother of us over ourselves isn't that out there. People in Jaime's day still defend Cole by stating that he was just trying to defend Andal customs by ensuring that a son inherits before a daughter. By the standards of her time she doesn't have to be all that grasping to think her son should inherit before us even before taking in the bias one could expect her to have as his mother. Point being that if she does end up thinking her son deserves the throne before us, then she is likely to fight very hard for it.
 
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    • Yeah that's pretty overwhelming for sure
    Adhoc vote count started by Teen Spirit on Aug 17, 2024 at 8:47 AM, finished with 147 posts and 46 votes.
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    • Alpaca27 said:
    Problem with the whole being skilled with the blade thing is that without being personable enough it could come across as insulting. As seen when we performed better than expected against some of the kingsguard candidates.
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    One thing that's important to remember is Rhaenyra's skills as a warrior will piss people off no matter how diplomatic she is, you will get people who react to her like she's Brienne of Tarth
    Scheduled vote count started by Teen Spirit on Aug 16, 2024 at 2:58 PM, finished with 148 posts and 46 votes.
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    Imperious said:
    And again, in a setting like Westeros trying to crown a brother of us over ourselves isn't that out there. People in Jaime's day still defend Cole by stating that he was just trying to defend Andal customs by ensuring that a son inherits before a daughter. By the standards of her time she doesn't have to be all that grasping to think her son should inherit before us even before taking in the bias one could expect her to have as his mother. Point being that if she does end up thinking her son deserves the throne before us, then she is likely to fight very hard for it.
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    Let's not starve before we miss a meal. When Johanna starts having children, we make sure to be kind to them, and see how things develop. Assuming that a conflict starts brewing over the inheritance we see about making arrangements that will head it off. Such as making agreements to marry our brother's line back in. Heck, I wouldn't even mind marrying a daughter into our brother's line and have inheritance go that way.
     
    Elder Haman said:
    Let's not starve before we miss a meal. When Johanna starts having children, we make sure to be kind to them, and see how things develop. Assuming that a conflict starts brewing over the inheritance we see about making arrangements that will head it off. Such as making agreements to marry our brother's line back in. Heck, I wouldn't even mind marrying a daughter into our brother's line and have inheritance go that way.
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    I've said it before, we should definitely try to extend an olive branch and have a good relationship with our step mother and her children. I'm just saying that the idea that in Westeros only some little finger esque grasping usurpers would think a son should inherit before a daughter isn't true. It's likely to be a worringly common opinion should we have a half brother, much as it was in canon.
     
    We need to tour the seven kingdoms.

    Before doing that, sort out the new westerling queen and our martial. Hopefully accumulates enough renown and favours on the tour.

    [X] Plan New Acquitances and Pumping Iron
    -[X] Speak with Ser Raylon Tarly
    -[X] Speak With Lady Johanna Westerling
    -[X] Help with Wedding Preperations
    -[X] Train
     
    Elder Haman said:
    Let's not starve before we miss a meal. When Johanna starts having children, we make sure to be kind to them, and see how things develop. Assuming that a conflict starts brewing over the inheritance we see about making arrangements that will head it off. Such as making agreements to marry our brother's line back in. Heck, I wouldn't even mind marrying a daughter into our brother's line and have inheritance go that way.
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    A thought I had that I'm unsure is too...two-faced might be the best way to put it. We could gift Johanna's firstborn son our full brother Aegon's egg, both as a token of hopeful affection...but also to ensure the kid doesn't claim a dragon bigger than ours. Of course any other of her kids could just grab one of the older ones and their 'Head' having a younger dragon didn't stop the Greens in canon but one could hope that helps build a bond.

    Also I'd love the drama if things go wrong so it's still a win even if only from a storytelling perspective.
     
    Shapeless Phobos said:
    A thought I had that I'm unsure is too...two-faced might be the best way to put it. We could gift Johanna's firstborn son our full brother Aegon's egg, both as a token of hopeful affection...but also to ensure the kid doesn't claim a dragon bigger than ours. Of course any other of her kids could just grab one of the older ones and their 'Head' having a younger dragon didn't stop the Greens in canon but one could hope that helps build a bond.

    Also I'd love the drama if things go wrong so it's still a win even if only from a storytelling perspective.
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    That actually seems like a canny idea. Viserys would probably love it given this is the guy who in the show was so deep in denial about relations between the Strong boys and his sons that he thought them beating the shit out of each other in the training yard was a lovely act of bonding. His heart would probably melt at the thought of us offering our full brother's egg to our half brother. The question is whether Johanna would be canny enough to see that sort of hidden intent behind such a gift. Even if she does though, Viserys would probably feel very offended at her rejecting his firstborn son's egg as a gift, and so Johanna might accept it anyway to not offend him.

    Hell, we could probably convince Viserys himself to be the one to give the egg to his first son with Johanna.
     
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    Fanhunter696 said:
    Either that or "My asshole stepdaughter wanted to keep the goodest boi for their children, and she thought I wouldn't notice"

    View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1x5V6qsMbIQ
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    The thing about Sunfyre is that not only is he the most precious of all dragons, but he's also the most hardcore. Consider that by the end of the books' depiction of the dance this little guy had as many dragon kills as Vhagar herself despite having only 1% of her mass due to his sheer refusal to die.

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    You realize if you do this and your step mother catches on this would scream "Rhaenyra wants her half-siblings all weak and defenseless when she takes the throne"
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    To be fair we would have a lot of plausible deniability in this regard. Rhaena Targaryen famously put the eggs of Vermithor and Silverwing in the cradles of Jaehaerys and Alyssane, who seem to have been very affectionate to her as they grew up, and she certainly didn't do it out of any malevolent intent.

    Historically the actual pro usurper move was for someone to not claim a dragon until adulthood if need be in order to be able to claim the biggest baddest dragon around once they became riderless, which is what Maegor did, having waited until he was 25 to claim a dragon when he claimed Balerion when his father died, who he then proceeded to butcher his family with.
     
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    While out of character we obviously would prefer our siblings get eggs instead of bonding the pre-hatched dragons for selfish reasons, I don't think in character it's such a selfish action - cradle dragons are far more likely to bond with a young targ than a wild dragon, and are also way safer for the child - just see Rhaena's woes after her cradle egg died.

    If cradle dragons were that bad, I don't think Daemon would have let Baela and Rhaena have them.

    Actually, do we know if Rhaenyra, Aegon, Helaena, and Aemond didn't have cradle eggs, or if the eggs just didn't hatch? Since unlike Jaehaerys, Viseys and Daemon seem to be in favor of the practice.

    (Also, as mentioned before, Jaehaerys and Alysanne had cradle dragons who became some of the most famous dragons around)
     
    Athas said:
    While out of character we obviously would prefer our siblings get eggs instead of bonding the pre-hatched dragons for selfish reasons, I don't think in character it's such a selfish action - cradle dragons are far more likely to bond with a young targ than a wild dragon, and are also way safer for the child - just see Rhaena's woes after her cradle egg died.

    If cradle dragons were that bad, I don't think Daemon would have let Baela and Rhaena have them.

    Actually, do we know if Rhaenyra, Aegon, Helaena, and Aemond didn't have cradle eggs, or if the eggs just didn't hatch? Since unlike Jaehaerys, Viseys and Daemon seem to be in favor of the practice.

    (Also, as mentioned before, Jaehaerys and Alysanne had cradle dragons who became some of the most famous dragons around)
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    Yeah having at least one child of ours without a cradle egg is an easy choice, because of the three big adult dragons around Silverwing is a sweetheart. Not sure about Dreamfyre, and once we get to the third child meaning at least one of our kids has to try to claim Vermithor, that's when wanting them to claim a younger a dragon or even have a cradle egg becomes more viable, especially if that young dragon happens to be the precious, and hardcore, Sunfyre. Plus look at how adorable they are:

     
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    honestly having our half siblings cradle eggs all hatch could backfire on us because afaik the strong boys craddle eggs all hatching was seen as a proof of their legitimacy and with how the QM set things up any younger dragons are likely to grow as long as we encourage our own children to train enough

    and while yes they are worse of if it comes to hostilities it more than makes up with prestige before the fighting even starts
    and ideally we want to be in a strong enough position that a civil war is never even attempted
     
    This discussion is making me think though. Sunfyre was noted to be the most beautiful dragon to have ever lived, he was considered large for his age, him and Aegon probably had the strongest bond of any Targaryen dragon, him having flown back to Aegon with a broken wing, and he was a freaking grit machine who managed to kill not one, but two dragons, after he was badly injured in Rook's Rest. Loyal, beautiful, a fast grower and a fighter like few others. It's a shame that he's so young by the time our own children should be in line to claim dragons. He probably had the potential to have been the greatest Targ dragon that ever lived had he made it to old age.

    Really. Between him and Silverwing make it two of our kids we don't need to get an egg for.
     
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