From Memory Alpha's page on the K't'inga, which is going to be introduced soon:
This is what made me change my vote to dual engines.
This is what made me change my vote to dual engines.
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darkstarling
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This size inflation over time has an interesting effect actually, of effectively giving older ships a maneuverability bonus over time as well. Our opportunity, then, is to be fast for our size now because, over time, that will keep us relevant longer. Smaller ships still have an advantage against larger ships.
Module space is actually a big deal, because the way we're planning to justify our expenses is with really good capabilities and that takes modules. Can we get a citation for that? Because that would make me reconsider my vote, but I'm not remembering that.
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Given that 100% is explicitly equal to a standard ship of its size, and 120% already exceeds that, that's not how I understand that quote. I understand that quote as meaning that a Callie sized ship is a heavy cruiser, and so 200% would let this ship turn with an average ship of Callie size. Which we don't need it to do, because we built this thing to create torpedo lanes and shoot phasers everywhere.
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[X] Central Engine [Cost: 91] (Maneuverability: Normal) [120% Standard]
[x] Central Engine [Cost: 91] (Maneuverability: Normal) [120% Standard]
While I agree that maximum maneuverability would be nice, I worry that going full send here would make the Wallet Watchers force us to skimp on the Arsenal.
While I agree that maximum maneuverability would be nice, I worry that going full send here would make the Wallet Watchers force us to skimp on the Arsenal.
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[X] Dual Engines [Cost: 99] (Maneuverability: Maximum) [200% Standard]
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Well I think we can say with absolute certainty that the K't'inga will Not be massing 3/4 of a million tonnes in this quest timeline.
We're starting to see the conflict between the request for a ship-of-the-line, and the expectation that most combats will actually be solo.
Oh well, it's already gonna be expensive as hell, might as well make it excell at everything.
[X] Dual Engines [Cost: 99] (Maneuverability: Maximum) [200% Standard]
Oh well, it's already gonna be expensive as hell, might as well make it excell at everything.
[X] Dual Engines [Cost: 99] (Maneuverability: Maximum) [200% Standard]
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[X] Central Engine [Cost: 91] (Maneuverability: Normal) [120% Standard]
They already are, as minimum possible maneuver means even RFLs are of dubious value and likely not worth the Cost.
This hull is going to be 300,000 tonnes (potentially slightly more given nacelle struts haven't been factored into the design yet), at 200% standard manouverability it'll have the same manoeuvrability as a 150,000 tonne ship at standard, at 120% standard manouverability it'll be the same as a 180,000 tonne ship at standard (iirc) which would leave it considerably worse off than the Excalibur.
Whilst this ship is going to be the centrepiece of fleets (when they do form, we've been told that for now most combat is going to be individual) it's nature as a long range high speed cruiser means it's likely going to find itself in individual combat quite a lot of the time as it's transiting too/from the corners of the Federation or being the first ship on the scene when war breaks out. It's going to need that individual fighting capability.
For a measly 8 more cost we can significantly improve the tactical capabilities of the ship.
[X] Dual Engines [Cost: 99] (Maneuverability: Maximum) [200% Standard]
Whilst this ship is going to be the centrepiece of fleets (when they do form, we've been told that for now most combat is going to be individual) it's nature as a long range high speed cruiser means it's likely going to find itself in individual combat quite a lot of the time as it's transiting too/from the corners of the Federation or being the first ship on the scene when war breaks out. It's going to need that individual fighting capability.
For a measly 8 more cost we can significantly improve the tactical capabilities of the ship.
[X] Dual Engines [Cost: 99] (Maneuverability: Maximum) [200% Standard]
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It means that maneuverabiity becomes a lot more critical for this ships survival as time passes
Given how energy beam damage scales with size
This is one of those fundamentals that cant really be changed with a refit
I am confident you understand that wrong; its explicitly stated that Maximum is not as good as the Excalibur
I provided the quote
If Maximum isnt going to match the Callie, Standard/Normal is much worse
You dont want Standard on a ship you are sending into harms way, anyway
Its 8 points of cost
Normal is 91 pts
Maximum is 99 pts
8 pts difference
An RFL costs more
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That's the same Memory Alpha that pegs the Constitution at a million tons.
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Yes, maximum is not as good as the Excalibur, because we built the Excalibur specifically to be extremely maneuverable. Maximum is, however, implied to be as good as a standard ship of Excalibur size, meaning all sorts of potential threat vessels.
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Yeah, they asked for a line ship and we gave them a line ship - with the cost that comes with. But we also think we know one-on-one duels will be a feature of future combat.
What this means is we want an interesting combination - endurance at warp but agility at impulse. The Excalibur has agility at warp AND impulse, which was good for its role but not for the Federation's.
[X] Dual Engines [Cost: 99] (Maneuverability: Maximum) [200% Standard]
Go for broke, cut cost on the weaponry coverage if we gotta but with maneuvering, you can make up for that deficit by out turning.
Go for broke, cut cost on the weaponry coverage if we gotta but with maneuvering, you can make up for that deficit by out turning.
Nobody builds a standard ship of Excalibur size with normal agility
The Klingons, the Romulans, even the Jem'Hadar, all favor increased maneuver on their warships
The only people who favor normal maneuverability or less I am aware of are the Borg
To an extent it can, but a TMP style refit would probably only put it up about 40-60 thousand tonnes at most.
As it is going for 300kt and giving it the manoeuvrability of a ship 50,000 tonnes lighter than the Excalibur (at standard at least) will give it a manoeuvrability provision in the future that will likely be key for combat success.
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Impulse engines have always taken internal space. The exception is in half-saucers, like the Excalibur. But I might as well ask:
@Sayle Will Dual Engines take more internal space than the Central Engine?
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Another reason I'm willing to go with the cost of the dual engines is that this is a war ship, and so we need to focus on core fighting capabilities. If this were a science ship it would be different. But this ship is meant to fight, and do other useful things while not fighting. It's not a science first, combat as a last resort.
It's always "just" 8 costs here, like it's not 10% of build right now, 4 costs there. That's how you end up going max cost for each vote.
multiple people already saying to dump phasers to make up for the cost and make a torpedo boat as well, who would have guessed : p
multiple people already saying to dump phasers to make up for the cost and make a torpedo boat as well, who would have guessed : p
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[X] Central Engine [Cost: 91] (Maneuverability: Normal) [120% Standard]
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Our ship looks so so beautiful… so big.
[X] Central Engine [Cost: 91] (Maneuverability: Normal) [120% Standard]
[X] Central Engine [Cost: 91] (Maneuverability: Normal) [120% Standard]