Joyful_Overkill
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
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So is phaser and shield strength.
Which keys off ship mass.
Going for the low end of the spectrum kinda defeats the purpose of going big.
Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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[X] Inverse Slope Configuration (Mass: 170kt) [Cost: 33.5]
[X] Rising Slope Configuration (Mass: 190kt) [Cost: 37.5]
[X] Rising Slope Configuration (Mass: 190kt) [Cost: 37.5]
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TheShadowDeamon
Mighty Dragon
[X] Inverse Slope Configuration (Mass: 170kt) [Cost: 33.5]
[X] Rising Slope Configuration (Mass: 190kt) [Cost: 37.5]
We wanted a big ship, so let's build a big ship. Also is there any reason why the torpedo launchers could'nt be in the saucer/secondary hill instead of the neck?
[X] Rising Slope Configuration (Mass: 190kt) [Cost: 37.5]
We wanted a big ship, so let's build a big ship. Also is there any reason why the torpedo launchers could'nt be in the saucer/secondary hill instead of the neck?
[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
Especially if the ship ends up less massive than the Kea (which is very likely with the command configuration), sure, it'll be better by virtue of more modern technology but we're building a successor, we should aim to excel not just coast by.
SaltyWaffles
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
Cost does matter, and this is both a major savings and a much better tactical option. Let's try not to make a Galaxy a century before the technology and industry is there to make it affordable.
Cost does matter, and this is both a major savings and a much better tactical option. Let's try not to make a Galaxy a century before the technology and industry is there to make it affordable.
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
We still have the secondary hull for more mass if we want it. I want the phaser placement.
Though if it looks like it can't win, I'll probably add a vote for inverse curve.
We still have the secondary hull for more mass if we want it. I want the phaser placement.
Though if it looks like it can't win, I'll probably add a vote for inverse curve.
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Tithed_Verse
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
Based on my calculations even an integrated hull the mass of the ship would be about 236,700 tonnes, or 18,300 less than the Kea. Quad nacelles might tip it just slightly over, but given we're mass pinching now I doubt the ship is going to end up with anything more than twin nacelles.
Tithed_Verse
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We're probably going to end up with more than twin nacelles because quad nacelles are BADASS AS FUCK.
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[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
A difference of at most 10 cost isn't going to break the bank. These ships are being designed in the aftermath of a war in which the Klingons pushed right up to Andoria and captured another full member world, as long as the tactical capabilities - which phaser, shield and hull strength all are - justify it we could build a ship twice as expensive as the Excalibur and Starfleet would build a decent crop of them.
If 10 cost is too much to stomach now then the cost of two extra nacelles, which are hard to make and rather complex, will be. Even an extra one probably will be.
Damn that catchy name.
We need more mass than the Kea so we don't end up with the same difficulty around torpedoes vs modules. Adding mass is the cheapest way to get more firepower, more durability, and more module space.
For anyone cost sensitive the middle option allows for savings on torpedo costs (or if we choose not to save costs we'll definitely have more module space for the same outlay).
We need more mass than the Kea so we don't end up with the same difficulty around torpedoes vs modules. Adding mass is the cheapest way to get more firepower, more durability, and more module space.
For anyone cost sensitive the middle option allows for savings on torpedo costs (or if we choose not to save costs we'll definitely have more module space for the same outlay).
Ehhh.... I hate this vote and I feel that I have a different concept of what this ship should be to the QM, and it is leading me to not be sure where to vote.
So I won't. Instead I am going to suggest a wild idea that probably won't be implemented but would be really really cool.
The Phalanx Shield System - The thick saucer of the Federation class, paired with an offset secondary hull mounting the deflector, allows for a unique opportunity. Install an entirely secondary shield system where the inline deflector would go. It would take up the entire space with a set of oversized shield emitters with their own dedicated EPS feed from the warp core.
Rather than project a bubble of shielding around the ship, the Phalanx Shield System instead projects a single powerful shield forward. This allows the shield to be projected out beyond where the ships shields normally extend.
This oversized directional shielding allows Federation class ships to absorb an absurd amount of punishment from the front, but not only that the Phalanx Shield extends to such an extend other ships in formation with a Federation Class can effectively hide in it's shadow. Multiple Federation class ships can fly in formation effectively creating a shield wall that protects more vulnerable ships in whatever fleet they find themselves leading.
So I won't. Instead I am going to suggest a wild idea that probably won't be implemented but would be really really cool.
The Phalanx Shield System - The thick saucer of the Federation class, paired with an offset secondary hull mounting the deflector, allows for a unique opportunity. Install an entirely secondary shield system where the inline deflector would go. It would take up the entire space with a set of oversized shield emitters with their own dedicated EPS feed from the warp core.
Rather than project a bubble of shielding around the ship, the Phalanx Shield System instead projects a single powerful shield forward. This allows the shield to be projected out beyond where the ships shields normally extend.
This oversized directional shielding allows Federation class ships to absorb an absurd amount of punishment from the front, but not only that the Phalanx Shield extends to such an extend other ships in formation with a Federation Class can effectively hide in it's shadow. Multiple Federation class ships can fly in formation effectively creating a shield wall that protects more vulnerable ships in whatever fleet they find themselves leading.
[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
This would probably be easier if we actually had a clear peacetime goal we were aiming for, but as it stands the only peacetime role Starfleet really needs to fill right now is a utility cruiser and the Miranda will be better for that. I suppose we could just build a big Miranda.
The only design goal we really have is to build a fleet anchor, and a good front profile with strong phaser mounts is ideal.
This would probably be easier if we actually had a clear peacetime goal we were aiming for, but as it stands the only peacetime role Starfleet really needs to fill right now is a utility cruiser and the Miranda will be better for that. I suppose we could just build a big Miranda.
The only design goal we really have is to build a fleet anchor, and a good front profile with strong phaser mounts is ideal.
[X] Command Configuration (Mass: 140kt) [Cost: 27.5]
Tactically with the ideal phaser mounts for coverage and aesthetically in general I like this the best. Also feels like a neat in-univere design pairing the SDB teams could have made with the extra thick sauce brim: trading out much of the upper curve for an extra full saucer deck to gain those phaser mountings while keeping internal volume.
We still got chances to add more mass with the secondary hull and nacelles not being included yet. And while I wasn't here for that vote the fact that we took heavy shields means that it's still going to have good protection even if it's not the maximum tonnage we're possibly able to make it.
Tactically with the ideal phaser mounts for coverage and aesthetically in general I like this the best. Also feels like a neat in-univere design pairing the SDB teams could have made with the extra thick sauce brim: trading out much of the upper curve for an extra full saucer deck to gain those phaser mountings while keeping internal volume.
We still got chances to add more mass with the secondary hull and nacelles not being included yet. And while I wasn't here for that vote the fact that we took heavy shields means that it's still going to have good protection even if it's not the maximum tonnage we're possibly able to make it.
How important is frontal profile for our mission? I assume we're going to make something with at least average maneuverability but the anchor role sounds kind of like flying brick. It feels like we'll be hammering opponents while not dead on most of the time or else our opponents will be trying to get away from directly in front of us anyway.
Ahhhhh. I want command, but I gotta vote mass here.
[X] Inverse Slope Configuration (Mass: 170kt) [Cost: 33.5]
Stronger shields and stronger phasers. Worse phaser placement means we may be have to spend 4 cost more mounting an extra set for coverage. I can live with that.
It's side profile too. Basically the closer you are to directly top down the easier the shot, but anything side on to the saucer is shooting at a thin strip.
[X] Inverse Slope Configuration (Mass: 170kt) [Cost: 33.5]
Stronger shields and stronger phasers. Worse phaser placement means we may be have to spend 4 cost more mounting an extra set for coverage. I can live with that.
It's side profile too. Basically the closer you are to directly top down the easier the shot, but anything side on to the saucer is shooting at a thin strip.
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We kinda do, or at least can derive one based on what we know of project Miranda and SanFran's habits.
The Miranda is going to be basic science and probably cargo/related utility stuff, perhaps some engineering given it's going to end up replacing the Newton to some degree.
Ergo more complex scientific and engineering duties will like be our focus (especially science given this is a Kea replacement & the Excalibur was noted to have slight weaknesses in that area).
Peacetime duties won't be served well by the command configuration as it will impose a limit on the number/size of modules we can place.
Additionally, better peacetime utility as volume won't have been lost over phaser placement concerns.
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