If you can get the Loyalty of your hero units high enough, the loyalty hit won't be as bad, or you can focus on raising theiur loyalties after too


To be fair to them, that Hedgehog that can go super is currently one of Black Doom's top enforcers, if not their main guy, and is being used to further their goals.

Is simply asset denial, if they can't get Shadow back to normal well....they need to get rid of him.

You have seen his sheet, he is that much of a threat when the dice don't give him single digit rolls.

Fair enough. We can just get the loyalty back if we lose it...

Huh that actually helps a lot.

Once GUN writes off Shadow our alliance ends. Lot simpler than I though.


...Still need something for the Restoration though. Ideally a way that doesn't provoke numerous independant factions and several sleeping dragons. Like Cream.
 
We don't know about them in-universe and who knows how long it will take to learn about them.

Not long really that long, just need to take the action to investigate the oceans.

The QMs even said is the pirate age all around because martime travel can only be done using heavily armed vessels.

So even a low roll in the investigation would at least made us aware of the Vortex existence, exclusing the fact that Evilla could also reveal their existence in her new network as well.
 
Yeah if I was picking between the entirety of G.U.N. and Rouge the bat, I'd 100% side with Rouge. Even if it's a much harder road to travel since it means snapping shadow out of whatever the hell is going on.
 
One thing about Max character is the guy is the ultimate pragmatic, he is invading Green Hills at the moment because it has a lot of stuff he wants and because is very much disunited proving a excelent oppotunity for invasion.

Show signs of the conflict die down and Max will maybe even call for a end of hostilities since he no longer can take advantage from the chaos.

Unfortunate as you may not realize the Empire has been using badniks and Neo Metal Sonic as a source of propganda since their fail attempt of
conquest in the background.

They know about Eggman for quite a while and we announce ourselves Sage make it clear they would be punished at some point. We are their enemy from day one, can't avoid that and downright expect Eggman name now will prop up on propaganda posters since Turn 4.

Also much like Shadow they probably would give as another action since the Black Arms has given one when we kick their foothold from Green Hills even though they were not from there.

Still even if not leaving their foothold alone is very much a bad idea once we reclaim our stuff from Zavok. They have a lot of resources thay can call from home and other Hero Units as well, better deal with them when Zavok is done.



Frankly my idea was kind use their help to deal with Black Arms and other more monstrous Kings that prove a existential threat, like the Vortex.

Because the GUN and the Restoration does have trick on their sleeves that could be useful against them while also one of the few factions that need little convicing to know the full threat of the Black Arms and poasiblw trow themselves against existential threats once point out their existence.

I mean even if they lost Shadow they would not trying to stop invading Green Hills because we have the Blue Chaos Emerald.
A big part of being pragmatic is learning and adapting. The more he learns from the people of the Green Hills, the higher Eggman is going to rank on his threat list. Eggman conquered the world and we're (ideally) about to take out the faction that put Selvaria in a coma.

I have no idea why you are acting as if I'm not aware that the Europans are using the badniks as propaganda. That's basic stuff; they're from a WW2 expy! Of course there is propaganda.

The Black Arms had territory in Green Hills Zone from the start of the game. The Empire did not. The Black Arms is also a Sonic faction. Why should we assume that the faction that had to invade Turn 1 to get territory, and isn't a Sonic faction, holds the second action? We can't for sure say until we have uncovered the two hidden factions, but as it stands right now, they're our best guess.

The quest is not built to sustain an alliance with GUN and the Restoration. Avoiding acquiring the second action is incredibly unintuitive. The QMs have even directly stated we won't need to face united Kings without second actions. It is pointless to try to keep them on for so long.

Fair enough. We can just get the loyalty back if we lose it...

....

...Still need something for the Restoration though. Ideally a way that doesn't provoke numerous independant factions and several sleeping dragons. Like Cream.
It should be kept in mind that there are going to be plenty of plucky heroes around the world we're going to fight too. The Restoration and GUN aren't going to be the only good guys we will crush.

Sabotage and invade them. Disable them as a faction. It's not that difficult. The Restoration is meant to be one of the act 1 antagonists we defeat before we rise on the global stage. They are not unstoppable. Hell, they aren't even the major boss of the Green Hills, that's Zavok.

Not long really that long, just need to take the action to investigate the oceans.
The QM just said, "And when i mean evidence, i mean that those threats are at the same level of danger as the Black Arms, just finding them exist doesn't do that much." It is not going to be anywhere as easy as you suggest. And without the actions they unlock, we'll be crippled on the world stage.

He also said to look at Eggman's drives! Eggman wants to conquer both of them.
 
So even a low roll in the investigation would at least made us aware of the Vortex existence

Aware of its existence =/= Aware of its power

Example: Selvaria, we know of her but we are not actually aware of how powerful she is.

I'm starting to think people are trying to get Eggman to be a hero and face the many different threats instead of a villain.

That from my experience happens 100% of the time in any vilian quest if the players are given an option to act like a good guy.
 
I'm starting to think people are trying to get Eggman to be a hero and face the many different threats instead of a villain.
Honestly the problem is that not matter what we will need to take one out from the pincushion book.

Like we are evil yes, but when you go evil vs evil from our view.

It doesn't look that way from everyone else now does it?

Can hardly conquer the world when some of these guys want to pretty much do so much worse than we can when we are not trying.

Like for those that know Eggman they know that the doctor is just using things at his adventage.

But for those that don't?

We are literally someone who decided to descent and lend a helping hand when they have been denied one for so long.

Like just look at the Darscen, if we do manage to kick the prince ass out of the board, we have been one of the first persons in god knows how long to actively tried to help them in their view and one that can actually back their words of being able to kick back the empire.

It won't matter how much Eggman protest it, those people will see us as a hero to their people if we don't show some of our more unhinged features.
 
She didn't involved during Forces so I think she'll still be doing her own thing.

I'm starting to think people are trying to get Eggman to be a hero and face the many different threats instead of a villain.

That from my experience happens 100% of the time in any vilian quest if the players are given an option to act like a good guy.

Agreed, and while I'm fine with you guys playing how you want, you need to remember that you also need to play IC.

As I said before, Eggman's core characteristic just will not change, he wants to conquer the world and he shall do so. How he does it however? That's up to you guys.

Aware of its existence =/= Aware of its power

Example: Selvaria, we know of her but we are not actually aware of how powerful she is.

Agreed, exactly. Thanks for pointing it out.

Just learning that a faction exist doesn't mean anything, need to learn about their full capabilities too like the black arms.
 
Yeah if I was picking between the entirety of G.U.N. and Rouge the bat, I'd 100% side with Rouge. Even if it's a much harder road to travel since it means snapping shadow out of whatever the hell is going on.

Yeah Rogue really was an unexpected godsend, powerful Hero unit and the only real thing she wants is to remove a dangerous Hero from enemy hands.

...We were going to do that anyway and it gives us a reason to break from Gun.

Pretty good all things considered.

She didn't involved during Forces so I think she'll still be doing her own thing.

...We're going to be invading the place she lives. Not directly but still.

We know the Chaotix are around too and frankly I'd rather our inevitable battle not be on the wrong end of a Hero unit dogpile
It should be kept in mind that there are going to be plenty of plucky heroes around the world we're going to fight too. The Restoration and GUN aren't going to be the only good guys we will crush.

Sabotage and invade them. Disable them as a faction. It's not that difficult. The Restoration is meant to be one of the act 1 antagonists we defeat before we rise on the global stage. They are not unstoppable. Hell, they aren't even the major boss of the Green Hills, that's Zavok.

Fair enough, though we're still going to need some preperation before we invade.

...Come to think of it how do people think they match up force wise?

Important to consider it beforehand.

Honestly the problem is that not matter what we will need to take one out from the pincushion book.

Like we are evil yes, but when you go evil vs evil from our view.

It doesn't look that way from everyone else now does it?

Can hardly conquer the world when some of these guys want to pretty much do so much worse than we can when we are not trying.

Like for those that know Eggman they know that the doctor is just using things at his adventage.

But for those that don't?

We are literally someone who decided to descent and lend a helping hand when they have been denied one for so long.

Like just look at the Darscen, if we do manage to kick the prince ass out of the board, we have been one of the first persons in god knows how long to actively tried to help them in their view and one that can actually back their words of being able to kick back the empire.

It won't matter how much Eggman protest it, those people will see us as a hero to their people if we don't show some of our more unhinged features.

...Heh. A good thing done is still a good thing done. Even if it's done for selfish reasons.

Don't get me wrong I'm fine with crushing our enemies, no way we'll be coming to an agreement, but if playing the hero on occasion will tilt the board in our favor I'm all for it.

And well I really do want to do some good. Supervillian have quite the knack for it when they bother to try.

Agreed, and while I'm fine with you guys playing how you want, you need to remember that you also need to play IC.

As I said before, Eggman's core characteristic just will not change, he wants to conquer the world and he shall do so. How he does it however? That's up to you guys.



Agreed, exactly. Thanks for pointing it out.

Just learning that a faction exist doesn't mean anything, need to learn about their full capabilities too like the black arms.

*Rubs head* ...Conquering the world is hard.

And yeah getting proper intel is a must.

Too many have fallen because of incomplete or inaccurate information.


...Which is part of the reason I want to infiltrate the Empire more. We're going to want knowledge of the Valkria's and the Valkov before we end up on the wrong end of them.

Still nothing we'll need to spend more than an action or two for. We can focus elsewhere.
 
We are going to have to handle Whisper first, speaking of which after that turn should we get the Conch or set up the Darcsen Underground?

The conch will be useful to have but Cordelia is also slowly on her way here and having the Underground will increase the speed and chance of her safely arriving.
 
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She didn't involved during Forces so I think she'll still be doing her own thing.

I'm starting to think people are trying to get Eggman to be a hero and face the many different threats instead of a villain.

QMs said she will be involved if we go to war with the Restoration and she currently the best candidate to deal when the Moon come to kill everybody and Knuckles will also come in to help as well.

GUN has heavy firepower on their side, the Restoration can call a lot of powerful independets that will help them.

You are implying that would be easy to destroy both of them ahlwen in reality they are just as hard to beat like Zavok, not to mention GUN and the Restoration can also ebter in a alliance against us and yes GUN would actually pick the Restoration over us.

The waters would be a lot more muddy if the Restoration attack first and there's even the Hidden Factions that also may want both GUN and the Restoration around as well.

Like that cat lady in one Rival Report mention she is working for a doctor and just in last turn help the Restoration against the Black Arms.

Nobody is coming to help Zavok because Zavok make himself enemy from everybody. It's utterly unwise to do the same.

Heck everybody is attacking Zavok from now on because he is the ebemy from everybody.

The Black Arms had territory in Green Hills Zone from the start of the game. The Empire did not. The Black Arms is also a Sonic faction. Why should we assume that the faction that had to invade Turn 1 to get territory, and isn't a Sonic faction, holds the second action? We can't for sure say until we have uncovered the two hidden factions, but as it stands right now, they're our best guess.

I said that even if the Empire does not give a Second Action, leaving their foothold alone in Green Hills is a bad idea because a King can do a lot of stuff.

The QM just said, "And when i mean evidence, i mean that those threats are at the same level of danger as the Black Arms, just finding them exist doesn't do that much." It is not going to be anywhere as easy as you suggest. And without the actions they unlock, we'll be crippled on the world stage.

I meant to make Eggman aware the existence of the Vortex would be something even a low roll would get in investigating the oceans not their threat level.
 
Oh yeah, btw, heads up I keep forgetting to mention

We have decided to no longer reward you guys for certain page milestones. We were only going to give a reward for Page 1000 and never again anyways, but we decided not doing that either is best.

Just letting you know since I might have accidentally gotten your hopes up awhile ago.

....Well we might do a parody of the Sonic Twitter Takeovers with Eggman and his Hero Units on Page 1000 where you can ask them questions, but that's up in the air.
 
Yeah, tbf, we're growing so fucking fast that, if SV ranked quests, we would be like, on the top of the charts in terms of growth.
 
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