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Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

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w34v3r said:
Yeah early Grok was coming off as a bit of the 'die honorably trying' type.
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what do you mean early.
speaking of grok we really need to do now is decide what type of fucture he wants to build cause most of thralls policy are good just he has a bad judge of char (seriously thrall I get you wanted to do whats best for your friends son but garrosh is not warchief martieral I mean by god his older then you and yet blames you for making him the way he is like sure garrosh thrall made you try to kill voljin the most reasonable person to look to for adivce after you killed carine by accident and listen to former members of the dark horde) and he couldn't really implement them (and also seriously do something about the desert in durotar like I am sure their are some spirits you could ask to do that without forcing them they are not all pricks)
 
You know maybe Gork could do something about the desert, as in, use the earth spirit that is a prick and create an canal network.
 
MrRobot said:
I mean he literally charged forenius expecting to die for the sake of the horde.

Honestly is surprising that he does not gave a more negative view of shamanism. (Like not really because the whole point of the quest is to interpret things from Gorks perspective, but from an outsider looking in he really got dealt a bad hand)
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A funny way in retrospect when that's what happened to Guldan too. Unlike Grok he had no way to deal with his own physique as a cripple and even the elements rejected him. Ironic I suppose. It was a shaman that led him to seek the elements for an answer out of sympathy but instead lead to their downfall when they rejected him but the burning legion didn't.
 
rx915 said:
A funny way in retrospect when that's what happened to Guldan too. Unlike Grok he had no way to deal with his own physique as a cripple and even the elements rejected him. Ironic I suppose. It was a shaman that led him to seek the elements for an answer out of sympathy but instead lead to their downfall when they rejected him but the burning legion didn't.
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I mean gul'dan refused at first and the spirits sensing his anger and bitterness refused (I honestly cant blame gul'dan for being angry and bitter and am kinda suprised the void didn't reach out first cause he was near the nillhlist worldview that our warlock said was required for it)
 
rx915 said:
A funny way in retrospect when that's what happened to Guldan too. Unlike Grok he had no way to deal with his own physique as a cripple and even the elements rejected him. Ironic I suppose. It was a shaman that led him to seek the elements for an answer out of sympathy but instead lead to their downfall when they rejected him but the burning legion didn't.
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To be fair Gork could never deal with his phisical weakness on himself, he could become more skilled sure but without magic he always would lag behind. So the spirit lore rejecting him was probably just as hurtful, trough again being fair his lack of power is the last thing on his mind at the moment with the whole army dead and hard guilt trip thing.
 
I would also say that unlike gul'dan grok had a support network, gul'dan had 1 person show kindness but by that point I feel it was to late while grok wasn't very close to them at first did become blood brothers with vrak later on and their was that one guy in the burning blade compound
 
The mentor dying bit with the last words being about honour also probably had some effect.
I think it all boils down to one thing, selfishness to selflessness.
Sure Gork sees personal powers as a measure of self worth like any orc but also he sees his power be a thing to serve something more than himself.

This was probably the main thing that lead Gork be able to reach for the light and it reach back. So yeah orc samurai paladin
 
MrRobot said:
You know maybe Gork could do something about the desert, as in, use the earth spirit that is a prick and create an canal network.
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There's actually a huge amount Grok could do to help civilization prosper with his current elemental power. Build cities, dig canals, create terraces, build defensive walls and moats, dig through mountains, build deep mines, hell, maybe even make underground cavern cities, although that might be getting a bit ambitious. There's practically nothing limiting us in what we can build at the moment.
 
Mr.Norm said:
There's actually a huge amount Grok could do to help civilization prosper with his current elemental power. Build cities, dig canals, create terraces, build defensive walls and moats, dig through mountains, build deep mines, hell, maybe even make underground cavern cities, although that might be getting a bit ambitious. There's practically nothing limiting us in what we can build at the moment.
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A good way to discover that is finding human bureaucrats/advisors/specialists within Alterac to sound out the idea.
 
Shit, ok we'll need to get a hold of that Bishop, and maybe lean on some of our more big picture type friends to figure out how to make this work because we need infrastructure experts if we're going to rule frigging azeroth humans.
 
Yeah one of the major edges Grok's magic use and style has over a Warlock's is the fact he can do things other than breaking stuff, binding things to his will and mess shit up.
 
w34v3r said:
Shit, ok we'll need to get a hold of that Bishop, and maybe lean on some of our more big picture type friends to figure out how to make this work because we need infrastructure experts if we're going to rule frigging azeroth humans.
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It's one of those things when it comes to being da boss. So to follow what past conquerors do they would seek to get the locals to collaborate especially the institutions they take over. Some things can be relatively simple to fulfill as the new overlords to their subjects. Get the taxes and harvests done on time, infrastructure improvement etc. as long as they fulfill their own obligations namely protecting them.

Grok is quite good at making sure they're protected right now. The resistance of his predecessor has been beaten and the matter of orc raiders too is taken care of since he set out to make sure they stop raiding them.

It does come to something like a survey to the locals if they like the current overlord in charge which is something definitely in conflict to say.

On one hand they're ruled by outsiders. Orcs especially even if it's one led by an orc who can use the light. On the other other hand the predicament they're in is because their past king tried to join the winning side of the time and betray the alliance which led to their predicament with Alteraci joining the syndicate to start a resistance and continue methods that alienate horde and the alliance.

I'll assume since Grok went in and beat them up their attitude is that they're too weary to care and just want some peace and stability for the old ones. The young ones might be too belligerent but that's the folly of youth until Grok or someone else straightens them out to tough it out until things change later for better or worse.

So of course there's the Bishop as the instant local to refer to besides random defeated Alteraci nobles who probably hates what's happening but are resigned to it all.

Danrothan or members of the Alliance could send help because they need Alterac's mines set up for the war effort.

The black dragons can also be a balancing factor.

Feldad too could send help especially when his son has a place to stay in more permanently.
 
okay so in atlerac we have a lot of fel orcs (maybe send them of lead by us to help gilneas they get to fight we help them with the wolf problem genn made), humans (maybe darion and some of the priests/priestess we have might help apart from sally who lost her voice) , trolls (glad we have darkspear with us since that might help things even if they came from different sub races), ogres (are their any settlements with children of are the warriors alone) and the dwarfs and we have to juggle anything else I am missing in this pot
 
w34v3r said:
If we end up King of Alterac Thrall is going to rip all his hair out.
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I don't think Grok is fit in to be accepted for the whole royalty thing when it's Onyxia who'll do it thanks to her fake persona with links to Alterac because of Deathwing.

I probably see him upgrading his title to what Cromwell had. Some kind of Lord Protector that's non hereditary.
 
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MrRobot said:
Honestly is surprising that he does not gave a more negative view of shamanism. (Like not really because the whole point of the quest is to interpret things from Gorks perspective, but from an outsider looking in he really got dealt a bad hand)
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He does have a pretty negative view. He's in with the Dark Shamanism, he firmly believes the Elementals are capricious and unreliable, inherantly hostile and therefore treats them as such. He by extension doesn't tolerate just the idea of shaman asking for stuff, he's more willing to accept using force etc.

But yes I think if Grok encountered more shaman he'd have to confront his own beliefs more than he has currently, given he doesn't have many shaman about.
Mr.Norm said:
There's practically nothing limiting us in what we can build at the moment.
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The only think would be the willingness of Myzrael. Grok can level a building fine, but he might have difficulty doing something more constructive, but in that case you could train Myzrael perhaps
w34v3r said:
Are the local murlocs tractable?
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Perhaps, I don't think anyone's ever tried that, but in theory any such tribe could be trained, just like monkeys are sometimes trained in real life.
 
Well if anything you can look at the palicos and shakalaka in monster hunter. They are viewed and animals, palcios specifically can even do fina craft like cooking and blacksmithing despite being cats.
 
If could make an omake right now I'd have Thrall's remnants of his life turn up in Alterac because the alliance sent the guards and everyone else into effective political exile for failing to prevent the orcs escaping internment to instead guard the Alteraci.
 
I've started a new job so I've not been around recently, what's happening? I see we Mak'gora'd someone and it seems to have worked out.
 
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