Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

so will thrall think rend destroyed his fortress with his dragon allies or will this be a he wont hear about it till his like - I haven't heard word from them in a while better check on them

also what part of lordaron did we help push the scourge out of
 
After looking over what the actual Mercenary contract offer was from the Scarlet Crusade was, I've altered my previous statement. Before I talked about the possibility of industrial development aid, but instead it seems the offers in terms of material aid primarily focused on direct military equipment and supplies that could be provided to Grok's warband.

Now, I think that has a significant value of its own. If we can get rewarded with equipment and supplies in large quantity and quality, then we can rapidly increase the overall combat quality of the warband, which would greatly reduce the amount of casualties we take in major operations. And that's a sort of quality infusion that could take years to produce ourselves, especially with the troubles we've had with dice rolls in terms of developing industry. And a more powerful army can be directly transformed into industrial development aid by providing further mercenary assistance to Ironforge or Gilneas.

So from the Scarlet Crusade, I think we might be best suited calling in our payment in land transfers, diplomatic recognition, and military equipment/supplies.

New Kargath? 22, escapes? 12 nope.
Say, come to think of it, shouldn't this just be Kargath, not New Kargath? Looking at the wiki, New Kargath is the name of the post-Cataclysm settlement.

Either way, RIP. And not even anything in the way of escapees for us to try and recruit.
 
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a bunch of permanently discontent folk that are impossible to please because they all want
Not necessarily permanently, but their anxieties and discontentedness is more complicated, leaving them liable to radical swings in politics. Canonically, I see these people as the urban poor Garrosh sees when he comes to Orgrimmar for the first time who start flocking to him because he's a young and vital leader, and is willing to vigorously prosecute the Horde's interests.
All fine really as examples.

What can Dalaran mages do that our shamans and warlocks can not?

I can do a longer post on relevant magical traditions perhaps, but essentially they're fundamental different traditions which are meant to do different things.

Mages are more specialised whereas Shaman are more versatile. Shaman require fewer reagents or infrastructure, and not necessarily much training and in general are less expensive to maintain, whereas mages can do higher level things.

As particular things, mages can teleport, do portals or construct complex magics constructions or infrastructure. Shaman can't generally do those things but are massively more versatile, they can heal, significantly affect the weather or natural world such as making a river flow different way.

Warlocks are complicated because they're a diverse tradition, but they're generally focused on destructive stuff, so are the most able to damage things.
Can they provide mercenary aid when called upon? Which of our tactical deficiencies can they cover?
They've got a limited number of magical engineers, battlemages and anti-magic forces. Those would be the main capabilities you lack.

For example, they have experience channelling ley lines in a way that other groups just don't know how to do. If you wanted to concentrate the magical power of Alterac somehow, or create magical batteries the arcanists (magical engineers) would attend to that. If you wanted someone to charge into a highly hazardous area against tough defences, Dalaran has battlemages for that who have extensive training and equipment for such things. And then yea they also have anti magic stuff that's relatively unusual, think stuff like Spellbreakers who are able to nullify hostile magics.

They could offer merc forces yes, but if you want the specialist stuff that costs a lot.
Scarlet Crusade directly was said to primarily offer rewards in terms of territory transfers and diplomatic recognition, and direct military equipment and supplies. If that's still true, then maybe instead of industrial aid, what we really want is the territory and a large amount of military equipment and supplies that can be rapidly used to bolster the quality of Grok's warband. That's something the Scarlet Crusade might be able to cheaply afford, and greatly increasing the overall quality of our forces would mean we take far less losses in future engagements.
I note 'primarily' here. Yes Ironforge has industrial capacity, but it is still an influential kingdom. Some of this is a matter of efficiency. It's more efficient to go to Dathrohan for diplo recognition just like it's more efficient to go to Kul Tiras for ships. Howvwer. It's also a matter of inclination as maybe Kul Tiras wouldn't want to provide you with a navy etc.
also what part of lordaron did we help push the scourge out of
All of it, all significant scourge forces are dealt with now. The Scourge would have to make a new landing, and all their bases are gone.

Still lots of wandering undead and maybe some low ranked groups but nothing significant
Say, come to think of it, shouldn't this just be Kargath, not New Kargath? Looking at the wiki, New Kargath is the name of the post-Cataclysm settlement
It should indeed be, shall note for the chapter later
Hmmm maybe they have a fancy trinket to help with mining? It can be used to help in making an underground city.
Just tell the Earth spirits to do it with dark shamanism, is fine. The Kirin Tor are unlikely to have such a thing.
 
All fine really as examples.
Funny enough even a trinket to promote social harmony or a bonus in charisma is also an option as Grokk does need his new horde to be united.

Like maybe a magic mushroom that emits spores of relaxation or something which calms the mind to just some magic rock or contraption that some crackpot wizard made to emit different colors randomly with sounds as well all to relax and entertain.

The most amusing but practical for food purposes would be a magic enhanced cow that can sire more cows that Alterac's farmers would love to have.
 
further rolls

Kargath survivor interuption? 93, all survivors made it to you
Thinking about chaning the rolls here. Flipping a coin, 2, previous rolls nullified, going with narrative instead, gorn dead+ sesk interrupt.

Rolls for blacks given Nef, current cohesion? 44, not good not bad, Ony reaction to Shadowglame? 97, extremely worried and active, Ony persuasion + cohesion? 51, moderate. Violent? 26, violent, not great. Exfiltration 60

Ony concerned at Shadowflame, attempt to usurp, violence ensues, steals a decent quantity of the Blacks
FractiousDay threw 8 100-faced dice. Reason: D100s Total: 407
93 93 2 2 34 34 44 44 97 97 51 51 26 26 60 60
FractiousDay threw 1 2-faced dice. Reason: coin Total: 2
2 2
 
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Shadowflame...huh.

Okay, so making sure I understand things. Kalaran does some sort of shenanigans against Neferian's faction of the Black Dragonflight. This provokes him to raze Kargath to the ground, with very few survivors. Those who do survive make their way to us and join Grok. But in the process of burning Kargath, Nefarian made extensive use of Shadowflame, which freaks out a lot of the Black Dragonflight that are with him.

There is plotting, a usurpation attempt that turns violent, and a good portion of the Blacks decide to flee when it fails.

Well. This is both alarming and a definite opportunity. Shame that Gorn died though. Looking at his description in the RPG, he was at least somewhat pro Horde-Alliance cooperation.
 
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so how many people did we get from kargath,

what is going on with the blacks cause shadowflame is not good cause well its old god posion (just look at deathwing and furuak it made both of them hear whispers in their heads and drove them both insane (or more in the case of furuak)
Black Dragon breath is supposed to work.)
its not like I said above its old god courpted flame so its a good hint to oh yeah this guy is not in their right mind

edit: side note does anyone else get a feeling of shadowflame being like the one ring from lotr like its whipser makes people want to use it if I understand what was happenening with wraithon and sebellion right, bringing out the worst in you (I mean furuk gave up everything he believed in for more power and deathwing commited a genocide against the blues to such a extent they never really recovered and his best friend was malagos the leader of the blues)
 
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Kargath that's where the badlands mission was. Damn time sensitivity strikes again.

You don't mess around again even if I agreed on the priorities.
 
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On the bright side, the aftermath of Kargath seems to have done some pretty severe destabilization to Nefarian's position, which could be an opportunity for us to exploit. Especially since if Nefarian's position is unstable to the point where large sections of his group of Black Dragons tried to usurp and/or deserted him, then that worsens Rend's position as well. Could see quite a bit of the Dark Horde wondering why so many of Rend's "allies" fled all of a sudden.
 
We have casus belli too. Thrall's too busy but Grok can retaliate on their behalf.

Actually I think we have something we do need from Dalaran as a result. Something to deal with dragons.
 
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Yeah. Grok continues to be an absolute menace to Thrall's legitimacy just by doing what comes naturally to him. It's amazing.

Hmm, also further convinces me that military equipment and supplies that can rapidly up Grok's Horde's quality would be very useful, if we're likely to start exchanging serious blows with the Dark Horde.
 
I think too the option to get dragon riders will get a boost too when a lot of them are now terrified against Neffy so if they can get allies to help in putting him down like old yeller now's the time.

However there's more to mess around with should Grok get the spoils regarding Neffy's dragon experiments.
 
So the visions Thrall and Drek' Thar fear about the Grok and his clan they tell visions of the Burning Blade might have some truth to it. However like a wizened old master would say from a certain point of view the end result will be a new kind of horde. The corruption they fear? Again from a certain point of view but it's one Grok's horde will be treading as it is a strength just as it is much a detriment while there's no issue getting more new experts into the mix because the only way is forward for progress.
 
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Thrall and Drek that weren't exactly wrong about the burning blades being pawns of dark forces.

It's just also not the whole story.

I don't see us having any loyalty to the shadow council or the Burning legion if our father dies for example. Quite the opposite.

If our Fanther does die we are likely to fall upon them with all the same thunder and fury we did the scourge.
 
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Finally current!

Blessed BE
Hope you enjoyed, let me know if anything is unclear, I always find it interesting when people have opinions after binging a story in one go
So the visions Thrall and Drek' Thar fear about the Grok and his clan they tell visions of the Burning Blade might have some truth to it. However like a wizened old master would say from a certain point of view the end result will be a new kind of horde. The corruption they fear? Again from a certain point of view but it's one Grok's horde will be treading as it is a strength just as it is much a detriment while there's no issue getting more new experts into the mix because the only way is forward for progress.
Well, this is by design really. I've remarked on this before I think but prophecies in fiction can be used as a crude bludgeoning tool to force the narrative where it needs to go, or they can be used as set dressing or they can be used as in this fic to provide different interpretations. Drekthar might have been viewing the canon events with Sageras stabbing Azeroth, or he might have been seeing something figurative, or he might just have been senile, or any combination of the above. This is important though as it draws on the characters to motivate the narrative, which I think is quite important.
I don't see us having any loyalty to the shadow council or the Burning legion if our father dies for example. Quite the opposite.

If our Fanther does die we are likely to fall upon them with all the same thunder and fury we did the scourge.
Indeed, though an issue would be Grok may feel compelled to do the same double agent stuff Feldad is doing. One of the best ways of taking down the Legion groups would indeed be infiltration and striking from the inside
 
Indeed, though an issue would be Grok may feel compelled to do the same double agent stuff Feldad is doing. One of the best ways of taking down the Legion groups would indeed be infiltration and striking from the inside
IIRC, didn't you say a long while back that Dathrohan/Balnazzar is operating under the assumption that Grok is loyal to the Shadow Council/Burning Legion due to being a member of the Burning Blade, which has colored his interactions on a Scarlet Crusade policy level when it comes Grok and his Warband?

If that's still the case, then we're doing the double-agent stuff without even knowing it.

EDIT: Wait, no, not Balnazzar specifically, but other Legion-aligned people.
For example, Balnazzar is busy doing legion stuff getting ready to take down the Lich King, and then this Orc shows up. Balnazzar says 'huh, what a cheap investment that may prove really useful down the line' and takes you on, promotes you etc. Indeed, at least some Legion-associated people are under the impression you're on their side. Maybe not Balnazzar as I think he'd have a better idea, but for example for Varimathras, you delivered his special fel battery thing to move the Forsaken.
 
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yeah that trick might not work with old balnazar since we told him to his face we are here to fight the legion but others it might (like with slimy varimatus)
 
IIRC, didn't you say a long while back that Dathrohan/Balnazzar is operating under the assumption that Grok is loyal to the Shadow Council/Burning Legion due to being a member of the Burning Blade, which has colored his interactions on a Scarlet Crusade policy level when it comes Grok and his Warband?

If that's still the case, then we're doing the double-agent stuff without even knowing it.
For a start, there's differences in levels of allegiance. Balnazzar might perceive Grok to be broadly aligned with the Legion's aims, but given that Balnazzar doesn't want to reveal himself, he's not going to broach the matter himself. Is Grok working for his father, for the Burning Blade, for the Shadow Council, or for the Legion etc etc.

Dathrohan is canonically a humano-supremecist, which Balnazzar is largely ignoring because he's fine with Orcs and anyone else who wants to turn up. Certainly, Grok being useful, reliable, and in theory politically aligned with the Legion makes him a valuable asset, and so far Grok has managed to accomplsh a lot. Certainly once Grok turns up with a bodyguard of Fel Orc blademasters there'll be a lot of Dathrohan nodding and winking at Grok or whatever. I might write it out, we'll see.

I would note that this isn't a Flashman/Caiaphas Cain/Tanya the Evil situation. It's not some comedic misinterpretation of events and I'm not consiously bending the narrative for it. However, the characters are using the information available to them to make decisions.

The change here is that Grok has gone from being 'probably aligned with the Legion, and heavily influenced by Legion organisations' in the minds of Balnazzar or Variamathras, to 'definetly a lot more invovled than we thought' when he turns up with thousands of Legion loyalists.

But a further distinction might be made if for whatever reason one of the Dreadlords reveals themselves and Grok has to pretend that he's fine with it. He's Honourbound to fight the legion, but he can lie and he can deceive if he needs to.
 
For a start, there's differences in levels of allegiance. Balnazzar might perceive Grok to be broadly aligned with the Legion's aims, but given that Balnazzar doesn't want to reveal himself, he's not going to broach the matter himself. Is Grok working for his father, for the Burning Blade, for the Shadow Council, or for the Legion etc etc.
I suppose he wouldn't be opposed to encouraging the Scarlets versed in magic to take up warlocks as a profession.
 
I mean Human warlocks would be intresthing but Gork on take on what theorically need to demonology would be quite hardcore when comes to exercises of Will and control over themselves, wich probably will be quite popular to orc warlocks, humans are a mixed bag.
 
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