Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)

true but why should deal with the syndicate with ogres we might be able to get them to do things also their are orkish tribes their, the other loction if I am not wrong is the one with the frostwolves and I feel our char would know that and don't think they will like us or us them
Because for reasons put forward already we're potentially well suited to taking out the syndicate, and we might be able too.

Alternatively these are also the ogres Sylvanus mind controlled, so we might just have to kill them all.

And no the only orcs who should still be in alterac are remnants of the black rock. They won't like us either, but for different reasons.
 
[X] Remnants of Draenor
The Boulderfist ogres, as well as numerous remnants of Orcish clans which hadn't gone west to Kalimdor with Thrall, inhabit the Arathi Highlands. The Scarlet Crusade desires their removal or neutralisation, and you feel best placed to achieve this.

We are the only person with a chance of ending this peacefully (or at least a minimum of violence). I don't see how we can't at least try!

Given my current understanding of our stats we should be able to overawe most if not all of the local orc "chiefs" one on one.
 
Some, but not that many. This was before Dalaran even got blown up.
Still might be worth a long distance travel visit when the leader's a mage especially when Theramore has Lordaeron refugees who will be more than welcome to come back for the recolonization efforts. Plus Kalimdor should also have thorium too.

Jaina or a representative from Theramore never did turn up in that meeting.

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Eh whatever YOLO.

[X] Shattered Sun
Quel'thalas, the Eternal Realm, lies broken and bloodied after the Scourge's invasion. Subsequently, Trolls have swept in from the Amani lands, and Dathrohan seeks both more information, and the resources of either or both parties in his war. Journey to that land and see what might be done.

I expect Grok getting more of the old horde to join to win though.

You may be instrumental in this, you have proved at least that a smaller, more skilful and powerful force, might triumph where a legion cannot."
Isn't this funny enough what WoW players do for a raid?
 
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[X] Plaguelands

Definitely in favor of continuing a high tempo of operations, as the warband has proven to be smashingly successful. I can also imagine how strange it'd feel for the veterans of the 2nd War to be fighting alongside Blademasters in these trying times. Blast from the past.
 
Assuming its based off of the attunement, then the maximum reagents required are 5 arcane crystals, 2 nexus crystals and a righteous orb per person.
Not necessarily those exact items but yes, it's costly
And to clarify @FractiousDay when you say that it won't be your primary purpose, are we to take from this that the expectation is this isn't to be the primary time to investigate what happened here?
So you'd be there for the syndicate. If there was some orcs off down a mountain valley or something then you wouldn't be able to just wander off and go visit them, because you'd be in alterac for a specific task. YOu can go back to alterac after you've considered your mission to loradaeron completed though, so after Naxx etc.
mmm there is an argument that we can go from Arathi up to Alterac, since the syndicate is a major problem in both, while the ogres are only in one.
The Arathi one is more the east of the area, rather than the syndicate activity in teh west. You could tackle them yes, but you'd mainly be on the orcs and ogres
Otherwise the orcs there seem to be ones who became majorly depressed by the death of Doomhammer at the internment camp in the area.
Yes, but there'll also be some random 2nd War holdouts about
The Amani under Zul'jin probably ain't interested in talking to an orc. Not the elves either for that matter.
They're not massively opposed, not yet anyway. THe Trolls broke up with the horde fairly acrimoniously, but the Blood Elves aren't in the Horde yet. They'd welcome you as guests, but they perhaps wouldn't be very happy with you. As you say though, the interactions with the ongoing conflict between thetrolls and elves will indeed be difficult to handle.

Specifically, checking the wiki, The Horde can't get through the elf shield, so they leave, but the trolls want to fight on, then Guldan says he'll stay behind and help the trolls, and then just leaves lol. This might be able to be one thing which you can just blame on guldan again.

But yes, the Amani wouldn't be that hostile.
@FractiousDay nother question, Darion and co be tagging along where we go as the official Scarlet Crusade representatives or are Redpath and co going back to the rest of the crusade?
Darion will be, the others will depend. Once you decide somewhere to go you can requisition appropriate supplies. For example you don't need cavalry in the woods of Silverpine, but you would need them ont he highlands of Arathi. The Defenders of Darrowshire would probably be better used in other places in the Crusade rather than working for you, but if you specifically wanted them you could probably have htem
Maybe another place to fulfill the goals of the Scarlets is either checking out the ruins of Dalaran that Archimonde smashed or go on official capacity to Theramore since that's where much of the Kirin Tor went to with Jaina Proudmoore?
'Checking out Dalaran' doesn't really do much to advance the war effrot, and you can't go to Theramore beacuse again that's not really helping, the Crusade has other people who can do that.
the other loction if I am not wrong is the one with the frostwolves and I feel our char would know that and don't think they will like us or us them

And no the only orcs who should still be in alterac are remnants of the black rock. They won't like us either, but for different reasons.
There'll be various groups

Organised groups, minor clans, or parts of clans, eg warrsong, frostwolf, blackrock remnants
Unorganised groups, just random holdouts or bits of tribes which retreated during the 2nd war, eg a single village who are just chilling rather than a distinct formation
Random individuals or family units

Any of these would accept you with honour, because you're a blademaster and a highly ranked orc. The Frostwolves would probably be hte least friendly, but they'd still be willing to let you in and talk to you etc. Drek'thar after all was a warlock, he can hardly be prejudiced agianst them given he begged Guldan for hte Fel etc. There's a potentially really interesting scene between grok and drekthar actually, so we'll see if you eventually meet them.

But yes, they're not WoW mobs, they're not going to be automatically hostile for some reason.


Voting open, but not in a rush to close it etc so take your time and consider variosu things
 
But yes, the Amani wouldn't be that hostile.
Really? Surprising, though the hostile sentiment may specifically belong to Zul'jin and his faction at the moment, since he very specifically denounced the horde, since he blamed his capture on Doomhammer giving up the offensive against Quel'thalas and abandoning the trolls.

So you'd be there for the syndicate. If there was some orcs off down a mountain valley or something then you wouldn't be able to just wander off and go visit them, because you'd be in alterac for a specific task. YOu can go back to alterac after you've considered your mission to loradaeron completed though, so after Naxx etc.
Ok good.

I was afraid we were going to give up a chance to investigate things there which would have made vote dicey.

Yes, but there'll also be some random 2nd War holdouts about
TBF I'm surprised they're not considered one and the same, seeing how much the aforementioned loved doomhammer.

Darion will be, the others will depend. Once you decide somewhere to go you can requisition appropriate supplies. For example you don't need cavalry in the woods of Silverpine, but you would need them ont he highlands of Arathi. The Defenders of Darrowshire would probably be better used in other places in the Crusade rather than working for you, but if you specifically wanted them you could probably have htem
Bout what I thought.

To check is mr totally not a black dragon sticking with us, since he's here by the command of Prestor and not beholden to the command structure of the Scarlets.

Otherwise, the only one I'd want to keep on is Whitemane, since she balances things out magic wise and is an insane force multiplier (+ I do want to get to know her a bit more, since Grok's not interacted with his generational equivalent amongst humans much). However her power is exactly why I imagine that'd be unlikely unless we go for the plague lands.

mmm...its hard to think of write ins that would make sense. There's the undercity and potentially offering to do diplomacy there, but I'm sure I don't need to explain why that's a bad idea, and I'm not sure what we'd get out of that.

Besides that amusing thought, but due to changed circumstances, it seems like Balnazar is being forced to be a more effective diplomat commander of the Crusade than the original Dathrohan might have been.

That said I'm not 100% sure of the significance of the scarlet lorderan stands alone types getting a boost from our mission's success.

Not necessarily those exact items but yes, it's costly
Course, just using that to give a ball park and yeah costly by the standards of wow back then, ya know before inflation kicked off.
 
There'll be various groups

Organised groups, minor clans, or parts of clans, eg warrsong, frostwolf, blackrock remnants
Unorganised groups, just random holdouts or bits of tribes which retreated during the 2nd war, eg a single village who are just chilling rather than a distinct formation
Random individuals or family units

Any of these would accept you with honour, because you're a blademaster and a highly ranked orc. The Frostwolves would probably be hte least friendly, but they'd still be willing to let you in and talk to you etc. Drek'thar after all was a warlock, he can hardly be prejudiced agianst them given he begged Guldan for hte Fel etc. There's a potentially really interesting scene between grok and drekthar actually, so we'll see if you eventually meet them.

But yes, they're not WoW mobs, they're not going to be automatically hostile for some reason.
What about the ogres and others living in that other spot?
 
[X] Remnants of Draenor
The Boulderfist ogres, as well as numerous remnants of Orcish clans which hadn't gone west to Kalimdor with Thrall, inhabit the Arathi Highlands. The Scarlet Crusade desires their removal or neutralisation, and you feel best placed to achieve this.

Time to make our own Horde, with Blackjack and Ogres.
 
I'm assuming the collect the horde holdout option will win.

Aside from requisitioning new stuff, I don't imagine getting much recruits from the Scarlet camp for the Scarlet camp for this except guides who are more familiar with the Arathi highlands.
 
Not necessarily.

I'll toss my support behind this for now

[X] Shattered Sun
Quel'thalas, the Eternal Realm, lies broken and bloodied after the Scourge's invasion. Subsequently, Trolls have swept in from the Amani lands, and Dathrohan seeks both more information, and the resources of either or both parties in his war. Journey to that land and see what might be done.
 
[X] Remnants of Draenor
The Boulderfist ogres, as well as numerous remnants of Orcish clans which hadn't gone west to Kalimdor with Thrall, inhabit the Arathi Highlands. The Scarlet Crusade desires their removal or neutralisation, and you feel best placed to achieve this.
 
Quelthalas would be one of the interesting ones. Arcane treasure hunting, elves, trolls and whatever else lies there besides remnant undead who the local elves totally require some assistance dealing with.

What Arthas did there was mentioned to be carried out in the percentages.

The band can include some Elvish guides for that one.
 
TBF I'm surprised they're not considered one and the same, seeing how much the aforementioned loved doomhammer.
Depends on their reactions. I was interpreting the hammerfall orcs as the ptsd ones who aren't really big on the horde stuff anymore, vs some random warsong guys who might be basically still fighting te 2nd war
Really? Surprising, though the hostile sentiment may specifically belong to Zul'jin
I'm assuming he's not a complete idiot and is willing to talk generally and restrain his dislike, after all, he did eventually get his objective, it was just the scourge that did it

To check is mr totally not a black dragon sticking with us, since he's here by the command of Prestor and not beholden to the command structure of the Scarlets.
Probably yes, info gathering also serves the black dragon flight so that's still useful for them
However her power is exactly why I imagine that'd be unlikely unless we go for the plague lands.
No she can stay, she's attached and even though she's strong, she's young so there are plenty of other still strong but older and mor skilful priests etc
What about the ogres and others living in that other spot?
As in would they be persuaded by you? Probably not they're generally noted as being incredibly stupid, you could potentially get them though, it's just they might not be that impressed at you being a blademaster etx
 
As in would they be persuaded by you? Probably not they're generally noted as being incredibly stupid, you could potentially get them though, it's just they might not be that impressed at you being a blademaster etx
We might have to employ old fashioned corralling tactics of hitting and yelling at them until they do what they're told.

No she can stay, she's attached and even though she's strong, she's young so there are plenty of other still strong but older and mor skilful priests etc
I admit I am a little paranoid at what happened to Renault. Based on what I know the fact he doesn't really give a crap his brother is working with orcs is a given, but one of his best friends is another matter.
 
As in would they be persuaded by you? Probably not they're generally noted as being incredibly stupid, you could potentially get them though, it's just they might not be that impressed at you being a blademaster etx
Their leader might think differently after checking up on him who also follows the blade but it raises more questions on meeting the objectives when going there.

Obviously as the son of a clan, recognised blademaster and relations with the horde would pave roads for most of the old horde holdouts so they're more partial to vacating but I don't know about the rest more comfortable there.

Maybe they like staying there to squat.
 
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So think we can get some ogres to join our warband?
Ogres in general seem to be largely uninterested in organised cooperation with Orcs, they seem to prefer to be on top etc, and they're moderately isolationist. However, you can definitely get a fairly short term cooperation by beating them up as Blackhand tended to do.

Alliance by force isn't a very persuasive long terms strategy though, for groups of ogres anyway, and you certainly wouldn't want to get a load of them because they're still very powerful etc. You'd also have to feed them and stuff, so yes by all means try and get some if you want to use them, but you can't just have them as window dressing etc.
 
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So its only worth with to get a few elites and mages units
Try it and find out. Much will depend on rolls of course, but it will also depend on how you recruit them.

There'll always be certain adventurous types, and maybe they'd come along with you, but the Ogre leader wouldn't want to release all his warriors would he?

Simialrly, be aware that 'beat them up and enslave them' is exactly what happened with Proudpeak. I'm going to assume that if Grok is ok with doing it to Ogres he's fine with doing it to Elementals. This sort of thing is what I keep an eye on for precedent and characterisation.

Also, in general, what are you planning to do with the other ogres? Just kill them all? That's the sort of question that will need to be resolved.
 
Yeah all of them listed is a case of try and found out. Results will vary and our body snatching dreadlord will understand long as there's some results.
 
[x] Shattered Sun


Honestly, I just want to see Quel'thalas and see if there's anything we can do to help rebuild it.
 
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