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Hes also probably 60, so one of the points I was going to bring up was around mightstones being used to preserve some of the original knights of the silver hand and keep them at peak capacity
Orc Quest; or, A Critical Examination of Agency Through in Interactive Fiction (Warcraft)
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Doubtful. 40s maybe younger considering is not even been 30 years since he became a paladin and he wasn't even finished his training as a cleric before becoming one. Like a lot of peeps in wow they started young.
Ok then I am ok putting off the training regimen for now.
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Correction we are *NEVER* going to do it.
You mean you. I am ok so it's not we.
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No I mean we are never going to do it because we never will.
Its one of those projects that is going to be eternally put off because we have the mightstone and it takes an unreasonable amount of AP to train it up, while our "supposed" source of alternate EXP no longer works, because we're using the ****ing thing.
Its the most efficient thing to, but I hate it.
I hate it narratively and from a personal preference.
I would take it if it weren't for the personal action baits but that's like complaining about not getting goodies before a boss battle.
To compensate instead of the write in adjusting to the might stone, I am open to getting lvl 1 on both stealth and tactics. Tactics especially is useful for leading the blademasters on a assassination mission and stealth will be great as a ninja orc.
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Unfortunately, tactics level 1 is likely not going to contribute much, since novice, and they explicitly do not give a shit about what we tell them to do, likely even less when its in an area where they are better than we are by all meaningful notations.
while stealth won't work because this isn't a stealth mission, its meant to be a rush in mission.
Presumably, that's why Fractious is telling us to get the Mightstone otherwise Grok can't actually get to the battle, since Sesk and Ishi will just go on a head cause they can naruto run/tree/building hop to the Lich.
AKA the reason he's hinted very strongly to get the might stone is that without it Grok's can neither get to the fight, and while his ability to meaningfully contribute to it is minor already, if he somehow got to it he'd go splat even faster.
In other words we have no choice in the matter.
Also @FractiousDay something was bugging me and then i remembered what.
You asked why I thought it was reasonable?
Well I thought it was reasonable because a few weeks ago you said it was!
In fact not only could we have done the crunches we'd have also done something that isn't even in the scope of the action originally.
That's why I thought we only needed to do it once and then we'd be able to advance it normally again!
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Well.... when you put it that way are you ok letting the blademaster trainees take more casualties without a magic flame sword buff?
It's either that or you leave the forsaken alone.
Fractious mentioned getting Grok's connection back will have an immediate benefit to the narrative.
Have to leave it to Grok and his bodyguards to do the heavy lifting killing the lich. They can still fight the rest of the undead on the way to the lich with whatever they have on them.
If the rolls is good Grok might still use the flame trick but the key is the might stone.
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No I'm not happy about either eventuality.
However there's a significant difference between narrative and practical to the narrative.
I'm certain Fractious can have reconnection with Grok sitting there and feeling the elements, before the battle but as I realised when wandering around town there's very little that Grok actually gains from regaining that connection right now.
We have exactly 2 combat applicable abilities from Shamanism, one is spider sense (for attacks we likely can't dodge) and the other is to set our sword on fire...
Real super ****ing useful when we've a sword whose single ability is to set itself on fire!
Might it help give something with the fireblade, I don't know I doubt it and if we it does I question the quest structure that has the option exist without first doing reconnection to the elements, since the last time it happened it had absolutely nothing to do with the sword.
And again they're going up against the Lich, nor are they fighting too it, they're meant to find a place, settle in and distract its forces not advance! If this works as we intend, they won't move an inch for the entire battle.
Grok's rolls are almost never good and the last time they were it ended with Forneas being summoned, good rolls are not good.
In this quest they never have been.
The only other way I see to support the trainees is to have delegation get Castillian to with Keldran's help make some lesser disposable trinkets to help the trainees or at least the leader of them to survive more.
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So looking back at that, that was referring to the conditioning, as I did indeed say such thing I'm open to putting the requirement to get to expert to 5 actions not 10 as that's what was implied there. Alternatively, I may have meant 'get to expert, then take blade training options to get the last 25% of swording up', I'm not sure from the context.
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I am happy that someone else starts to recognize the importance of stealth for missions
, we already have level 1, acquired at Sen'jin, due to my proposal.Right now, even I would not recommend tactics. If we stayed with the main force, leading the defense, then yes, but we are going on a mission to assassinate the enemy commander.
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Closing voting later today, get votes in
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I'll just take out the flame sword and add some more delegation.[X] Plan Operation Shadow Moses
@rx915 I'll vote for your plan even if you won't
I might be able to suggest some alterations, but there's no rush especially if you're under pressure etc.
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mmm...
@FractiousDay would it be possible to delegate Whitemane to "blessing" our people's weapons?
If not...ah well I'm in a much better state today than I was yesterday, so I'm willing to take a risk on the flame weapons, albeit a hesitant one.
It actually would be beneficial to get flame weapons for another reason. Fire vs ice which the lich should have.
Otherwise I am thinking connection would still long term be better.
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We've already got fire (as too do I imagine the blademasters.)
Fire is typically good vs the undead though.
(Side note I've always found it a bit odd to say one counters the other when it feels like they should counter each other out unless there's a significant power difference at play.)
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[X] Plan Operation Shadow Moses
Looks good to me—time for a training montage.
A bit late to the discussion, but I do like the sense of agency in this quest and the fact we can assign someone to do tasks on behalf of Grok. But they have their own agenda's and desires. Meaning we have to take that into account when assigning them to activities.
For example, Sesk. He's highly competent but seems hopped up on enough fel to launch himself into space. It's both exciting and slightly horrifying to see the influence he's having but again part Grok is not the only one with agency to able to influence and ultimately direct the warband.
Looks good to me—time for a training montage.
A bit late to the discussion, but I do like the sense of agency in this quest and the fact we can assign someone to do tasks on behalf of Grok. But they have their own agenda's and desires. Meaning we have to take that into account when assigning them to activities.
For example, Sesk. He's highly competent but seems hopped up on enough fel to launch himself into space. It's both exciting and slightly horrifying to see the influence he's having but again part Grok is not the only one with agency to able to influence and ultimately direct the warband.
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Are you talking about Grok and his bodyguards?
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Sure, I think I remember a reference to it, found this though:
"inquisitors are cautious in combat and remain as far from melee as possible, using their magic to disorient their enemies or bless their allies with the power of the Holy Light."
Tbf probably something the Scarlets do as prep anyway.
I assume because fire is active and ice is passive? Ice is just there being ice, fire is constantly burning. Having said that, in norse mythology Nifelheim and Muspelheim cancel each other out which creates Gunnungagap
[X] Plan Operation Shadow Moses
-[X] Training the Warband
It is time to make the warband's mark on the Crusade to be more than just a minor contribution by taking Andorhal. But first more drilling must be done to prepare for the warband to take and hold the best defensive position in Andorhal while the blademasters will carry out the final phase of the plan, the assassination of the lich in charge of the city.
-[X] Requisition
To ensure the success of the battle Darion will seek the services of the undead slayer expert Vishas to train help train and offer advice to the warband while taking his advice to any further supplies necessary for the plan if anyone can offer advice taking a city under undead control with all sorts of undead while killing a lich it will be him. You will need supplies to withstand a siege, traps and portable material/tools for a barricade to hinder undead hungry for the flesh of the living and any available trinkets/gadgets to be offered to the blademasters who will be doing the dangerous part of the invasion that can aid them to carry out acts of sabotage or disable any more dangerous undead on the way to the lich.
-[X] Deathknell
You ask yourself why you're doing this when they rebuffed Kartha's warnings but what Scorn said about the fate of the forsaken haunts you. It's not our affair he says and he's right for the goals of the warband and there's not much the warband can do but you will give it one more try. You found Brill's fate to be distasteful and so this time you will go yourself under the excuse of training your own skills as a blademaster by yourself away from the noises of the busy Scarlet Camp. You do not expect anything much like with the emissary of Kul Tiras but you will meet them and have a talk and you shall see what you can do when the warning from the blademasters echo to you. The warband does not care for the plight of the forsaken left behind and the ones belonging to the alliance would seek to purge them by the light or by fire but as you do care then you should do it yourself.
-[X] The Blade Reborn (2 Actions)
-[X] Reconnection
-[X] Mightstone
-[X] Social: Spend time with Whitemane. She's a healer of the light and can educate you more on what they're capable of when you first met a warrior of the light and then a high ranking undead priest who still follows the light. What does a healer of one have to say about the light and the virtues and aspect she likes to follow?
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-[X] When Vark mentioned his ideas for armor you were interested in one for yourself with the choice of taking from the Kul Tiras in your last fight with them plate armor but chose not to. Considering blademasters must be light and as swift as the wind when fighting you can easily guess yourself why armor would be cumbersome. Still you remember thanks to no protection you were wounded fighting those Kul Tiran knights who gave you a sword in the belly. You will task your blood sworn brother a side project of his 'double armor' and prepare plans for armor suited to a blademaster you are willing to try. You can believe at least two things out of your request to him. Protection for the torso with light chainmail and maybe protection for the face with a mask like the darkspear trolls? A mask like that is light with some protection that can also act to intimidate an opponent.
-[X] Despite how much your warband has grown, you do have some doubts about the plan. Taking a position in Andorhal is easy, holding it on the other hand from an onslaught of undead is much harder. Perhaps Vok'fon's friendship with Prince Bran will allow some braver dwarves with knowledge of their gunpowder weapons to volunteer and help in holding the fort? Or will he offer gunpowder gadgets the blademasters can use to sabotage Andorhal's defenses?
-[X] Ask Kartha to train our subordinates and allied leaders in the basics of each other's language to minimise risk of miscommunications.
-[X] You trust in your own preparations and skills with your bodyguards sent by your father to deal with the lich in charge of Andorhal and anything else between you and him but you are unsure about Sorek and the aspirants you trained. You do not expect them to fight the lich but his minions may prove to be more than just a challenge especially those guarding the lich. You will seek the services of Castillian who may consult with your necrolyte on dark magic theories to create disposable magic items that may prove useful for Sorek when the time comes you and your bodyguards will be occupied with the lich while he and the rest of the aspirants will deal with the others.
-[X] While Whitemane is a healer you consider from her manner she's more than just a healer and can fight like Tirion but not directly with a hammer when she only has a staff. Perhaps she can use her powers of the light to bless the warband for the coming fight?
-[X] Training the Warband
It is time to make the warband's mark on the Crusade to be more than just a minor contribution by taking Andorhal. But first more drilling must be done to prepare for the warband to take and hold the best defensive position in Andorhal while the blademasters will carry out the final phase of the plan, the assassination of the lich in charge of the city.
-[X] Requisition
To ensure the success of the battle Darion will seek the services of the undead slayer expert Vishas to train help train and offer advice to the warband while taking his advice to any further supplies necessary for the plan if anyone can offer advice taking a city under undead control with all sorts of undead while killing a lich it will be him. You will need supplies to withstand a siege, traps and portable material/tools for a barricade to hinder undead hungry for the flesh of the living and any available trinkets/gadgets to be offered to the blademasters who will be doing the dangerous part of the invasion that can aid them to carry out acts of sabotage or disable any more dangerous undead on the way to the lich.
-[X] Deathknell
You ask yourself why you're doing this when they rebuffed Kartha's warnings but what Scorn said about the fate of the forsaken haunts you. It's not our affair he says and he's right for the goals of the warband and there's not much the warband can do but you will give it one more try. You found Brill's fate to be distasteful and so this time you will go yourself under the excuse of training your own skills as a blademaster by yourself away from the noises of the busy Scarlet Camp. You do not expect anything much like with the emissary of Kul Tiras but you will meet them and have a talk and you shall see what you can do when the warning from the blademasters echo to you. The warband does not care for the plight of the forsaken left behind and the ones belonging to the alliance would seek to purge them by the light or by fire but as you do care then you should do it yourself.
-[X] The Blade Reborn (2 Actions)
-[X] Reconnection
-[X] Mightstone
-[X] Social: Spend time with Whitemane. She's a healer of the light and can educate you more on what they're capable of when you first met a warrior of the light and then a high ranking undead priest who still follows the light. What does a healer of one have to say about the light and the virtues and aspect she likes to follow?
Delegate
-[X] When Vark mentioned his ideas for armor you were interested in one for yourself with the choice of taking from the Kul Tiras in your last fight with them plate armor but chose not to. Considering blademasters must be light and as swift as the wind when fighting you can easily guess yourself why armor would be cumbersome. Still you remember thanks to no protection you were wounded fighting those Kul Tiran knights who gave you a sword in the belly. You will task your blood sworn brother a side project of his 'double armor' and prepare plans for armor suited to a blademaster you are willing to try. You can believe at least two things out of your request to him. Protection for the torso with light chainmail and maybe protection for the face with a mask like the darkspear trolls? A mask like that is light with some protection that can also act to intimidate an opponent.
-[X] Despite how much your warband has grown, you do have some doubts about the plan. Taking a position in Andorhal is easy, holding it on the other hand from an onslaught of undead is much harder. Perhaps Vok'fon's friendship with Prince Bran will allow some braver dwarves with knowledge of their gunpowder weapons to volunteer and help in holding the fort? Or will he offer gunpowder gadgets the blademasters can use to sabotage Andorhal's defenses?
-[X] Ask Kartha to train our subordinates and allied leaders in the basics of each other's language to minimise risk of miscommunications.
-[X] You trust in your own preparations and skills with your bodyguards sent by your father to deal with the lich in charge of Andorhal and anything else between you and him but you are unsure about Sorek and the aspirants you trained. You do not expect them to fight the lich but his minions may prove to be more than just a challenge especially those guarding the lich. You will seek the services of Castillian who may consult with your necrolyte on dark magic theories to create disposable magic items that may prove useful for Sorek when the time comes you and your bodyguards will be occupied with the lich while he and the rest of the aspirants will deal with the others.
-[X] While Whitemane is a healer you consider from her manner she's more than just a healer and can fight like Tirion but not directly with a hammer when she only has a staff. Perhaps she can use her powers of the light to bless the warband for the coming fight?
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Yes.
Feels reasonable.
I'd be unsurprised if that were the logic, but it always rubs me the wrong way because even if the fire melts the ice, the fire's then just going to get dampened by the water.
Probably unneeded, but the specificity of "subordinates" just makes me cautious. Since I'm pretty sure the SC members do not technically count as subordinates.
@FractiousDay this seem reasonable?
Not sure why its phrased as it is. Its mostly that bit about "while Whitemane is a healer."
Also why specify Sorek and not just the entire warband?
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I was thinking of giving you some slow fall feathers to help with the naruto running, but could also go with some gnomish grenades or similar