We're all required to plant Golden Grass on our land if it's good farmland (as his is). I don't think he actually would've been outlawed if unable to do so due to death, but it would've been illegal.
I'm sure there's a Norse tradition to cover "could not fulfill obligation on account of being dead," but yeah, I getcha.

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Reposting plan.

Actually that has me wondering. We currently have a group stockpile, but most of that comes from one of the ships breaking down and scavenged for supplies. However as people go out hunting, exploring and adventuring they claim material as personal possessions.

Now I do not begrudge them, they put in the effort. However, that leaves me at a loss of what I should do about Sailcloth that I am planning to turn into gambesons. Especially as I only have a supply of 20 units of material and there are many more of us than that. I also doubt I can crank them out all at once. Who gets them first?
That's... well, if IF's happy with it, well and good, but it won't show up as a cohesive plan in a tally.

And quite frankly, my advice is to just give them to the people you like most and/or who have the best reputation. There's nothing in the rules that says everything needs to go out at random or whatever.

More gambesons is more good right now, I think. We need armor. Eventually we'll have other armor, but even that should ideally go on over a gambeson.
My headcanon had been that Erik Hardhead had a gambeson, but after the skeleton battle it's probably even more fucked up than it already was, and it was not in good shape before. May well be to the point where the protective value's so bad that Svanfrid's seriously considering picking it apart for the fabric.

..ah. Can I suggest for a Law Book Informational? For the sake of Gudrun... @_@;
It's Sivantic's job (in-character Agnes Olson's job) to just... remember them all.

It is our way!

We should add a clause in this law so that you get a pass if you've been killed and thus physically unable to farm golden grass.
Honestly, just a general law for all related problems sounds good. Something like:

"No law or agreement will be interpreted to require anyone to do something while they are dead, or to punish those who return to life for not doing things while they were bodily dead."

Hm. Now Erik has three laws to propose at the next Thing. First, for the Strategic Big-Ass Rock Stockpile, second, regarding dueling customs and generally fucking over people who shit-talk to goad others into challenging them to duels, and third, covering the "you can't do shit while you're dead" thing.

Doesn't this unfairly punish those who thought ahead and bought a Mushling before going off on an adventure?
I don't think it does, no.

I bought the Mushling so that I wouldn't face legal trouble for going on adventures.
Were you specifically anticipating getting in legal trouble for failure to cultivate golden grass if you were dead?

If you want to take a survey of each person's land and take each one who's not growing golden grass up before the thing then you can.
This is important! The Norse don't actually have a concept of "police" or "court officials," really. Laws are enforced by private individuals publicly bringing a suit against other private individuals. This is surprisingly common in pre-modern societies; the Romans did it more or less the same way.

Yeah, I wasn't going to mention it, but there's no actual way for the Thing to bring people before it or to punish them. That is the preview of the individuals.

So, if someone *doesn't* grow Golden Grass, someone has to audit them for it.
Although if the guy who's running around looking at everyone's land gets annoying, he may run into ugly trouble, come to think of it.
 
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"No law or agreement will be interpreted to require anyone to do something while they are dead, or to punish those who return to life for not doing things while they were bodily dead."

Entirely reasonable.

Hm. Now Erik has three laws to propose at the next Thing. First, for the Strategic Big-Ass Rock Stockpile, second, regarding dueling customs and generally fucking over people who shit-talk to goad others into challenging them to duels, and third, covering the "you can't do shit while you're dead" thing.

Currently Ragnarr just needs to revise the Golden Grass law so that maize counts. Because it does in practice, but we should make sure the law agrees.
 
"No law or agreement will be interpreted to require anyone to do something while they are dead, or to punish those who return to life for not doing things while they were bodily dead."
Yeah that sounds good.
Actually...this should have a clause that closes the loop hole of someone not taking any steps towards addressing their obligations before going out on a "most likely I'll die, but if I don't I'll have enough stuff to pay off any penalties", I think.
 
Actually...this should have a clause that closes the loop hole of someone not taking any steps towards addressing their obligations before going out on a "most likely I'll die, but if I don't I'll have enough stuff to pay off any penalties", I think.

That's fair, yeah. Dunno how to phrase that, but something about it would be good.
 
Actually...this should have a clause that closes the loop hole of someone not taking any steps towards addressing their obligations before going out on a "most likely I'll die, but if I don't I'll have enough stuff to pay off any penalties", I think.

"This is a loophole which I trust the Norns to handle without our assistance", Harald remarks darkly.
 
"This is a loophole which I trust the Norns to handle without our assistance", Harald remarks darkly.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure this is what will happen to anyone who tries to abuse this loophole, eventually their luck will run out.


Edit: Would anyone be interested in joining the Horn Hunters Alliance? The idea is that we join forces to kill powerful Oni and eat their hearts until everyone in the group has eaten one.
 
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Edit: Would anyone be interested in joining the Horn Hunters Alliance? The idea is that we join forces to kill powerful Oni and eat their hearts until everyone in the group has eaten one.

Harald is interested, but is only available for Hunts in the Winter due to his decision to focus on his vocation farming during the Summer. If asked why or if anyone implies this is a soft decision, Harald will say that his Martial Style is based on Farming and that neglecting one is neglecting the other.

Is only being avail in Winters acceptable to join up?
 
Actually...this should have a clause that closes the loop hole of someone not taking any steps towards addressing their obligations before going out on a "most likely I'll die, but if I don't I'll have enough stuff to pay off any penalties", I think.
That's fair, yeah. Dunno how to phrase that, but something about it would be good.
Why? I mean, doing something like that seems like it'd be entirely within the Norse cultural framework- a very literal death-or-glory gambit. Where's the downside of letting this loophole remain open, really? It's just more work for Agnes to memorize.

"This is a loophole which I trust the Norns to handle without our assistance", Harald remarks darkly.
This. :D

If you decide to go out and risk probable death on purpose in an attempt to find a treasure great and glorious enough to pay off debts you otherwise don't care to even try to pay off, then that sounds like one of those situations where the Norseman in question is probably going to meet his Final Day if he fails.
 
Fair enough, as long as you're willing to keep helping after you've gotten a heart yourself then I'd be happy to have you.

Ragnarr is potentially in if he has any time. Which is admittedly a big if.

If you decide to go out and risk probable death on purpose in an attempt to find a treasure great and glorious enough to pay off debts you otherwise don't care to even try to pay off, then that sounds like one of those situations where the Norseman in question is probably going to meet his Final Day if he fails.

Yeah, leaving it to the Norns probably works.
 
Besides, what kind of chiseling capitalistic weirdos would we be if we didn't consider "ignore your loan payments, then make a massive death-or-glory raiding gambit to obtain the means to pay them off" as a valid way to handle a debt?

What are we, dwarves?
 
Besides, what kind of chiseling capitalistic weirdos would we be if we didn't consider "ignore your loan payments, then make a massive death-or-glory raiding gambit to obtain the means to pay them off" as a valid way to handle a debt?

What are we, dwarves?
"Dwarves be who where when wealth be health, face be but a loin of coins, our needed deeds and glory-story be but note." Moli says sadly. "Become one, fate so hate, rather come to day of fate."
 
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