NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
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Alectai
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Njáls saga - Wikipedia
Boom. He' a lawyer and a sage who was literally burnt to death in his own home after a settlement he was trying to make broke down because the one pressing the suit was convinced to only be willing to accept blood vengeance instead of weregild, and thus rejected money payment for a spurious reason to push forward. Njal stuck with the others and was burned to death when a war party set fire to their home, because he refused to abandon them. Presumably, anyone who tries to disrupt this will be burned by fire (Or their home burned by fire with them trapped within), and anyone who continues to do this will have... Something else happen to them.
EDIT: Noticably, the event that IF alluded to a while ago when he randomly brought up that "Norse people can be extremely petty, why, one of the sagas has a woman literally sit on a grudge from her husband striking her for ten years, then refuses to give him her hair so he can string his broken bow, letting him be killed because of that." Was from this Saga. That seems like a Hint given in advance.
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And if just so happens that there's an Icelandic Saga about one Burnt Njal, one that the QM has previously mentioned in a post!
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I think all of that is probably correct and goes together like this (interpretations in bold), which leaves figuring out what happened to Thorthur Skarfr as the main remaining puzzle, I think?
'Let all the Little-Watchers [land spirits] bear witness to Stronghoof's Sireling [this horse]. Let them know no rest till ESONTRIARWOR [Stone Warrior = Steinarr] is driven from the land in mind, body, and soul. May any who dare disrupt this righteous act have their face suffer worse than the downy-cheeks of RJUNNTABLS [Burnt-Njal's]. Let all who continue learn the pain of Thorthur Skarfr meeting Helgi Droplaugarson.'
With anyone who disrupts it suffering horrible fire and then [???]...whatever happened to Thorthur Skarfr.
'Let all the Little-Watchers [land spirits] bear witness to Stronghoof's Sireling [this horse]. Let them know no rest till ESONTRIARWOR [Stone Warrior = Steinarr] is driven from the land in mind, body, and soul. May any who dare disrupt this righteous act have their face suffer worse than the downy-cheeks of RJUNNTABLS [Burnt-Njal's]. Let all who continue learn the pain of Thorthur Skarfr meeting Helgi Droplaugarson.'
With anyone who disrupts it suffering horrible fire and then [???]...whatever happened to Thorthur Skarfr.
Little-Watchers must be the spirits of the land that get disturbed by Nidthing poles.
Stronghoof's Sireling -> presumably someone who was sired byS Stronghoof i.e. a child of Stronghoof.
ESONTRIARWOR: Alectai speculated that it may be Steinarr.
Njáls saga (aka he Story of Burnt Njáll) on wikipedia.
The saga deals with a process of blood feuds in the Icelandic Commonwealth, showing how the requirements of honor could lead to minor slights spiralling into destructive and prolonged bloodshed. Insults where a character's manhood is called into question are especially prominent and may reflect an author critical of an overly restrictive ideal of masculinity.[2] Another characteristic of the narrative is the presence of omens and prophetic dreams. It is disputed whether this reflects a fatalistic outlook on the part of the author.
The principal characters in the saga are the friends Njáll Þorgeirsson,[3] a lawyer and a sage, and Gunnar Hámundarson, a formidable warrior. Gunnar's wife, Hallgerðr langbrók, instigates a feud that leads to the death of many characters over several decades including the killing by fire of the eponymous "Burnt Njáll".[4]
The principal characters in the saga are the friends Njáll Þorgeirsson,[3] a lawyer and a sage, and Gunnar Hámundarson, a formidable warrior. Gunnar's wife, Hallgerðr langbrók, instigates a feud that leads to the death of many characters over several decades including the killing by fire of the eponymous "Burnt Njáll".[4]
"The saga deals with a process of blood feuds in the Icelandic Commonwealth, showing how the requirements of honor could lead to minor slights spiralling into destructive and prolonged bloodshed."
Spiraling revenge spirals (like we are dealing with)
"Insults where a character's manhood is called into question are especially prominent"
Insults to a characters manhoo (like accusations of Seidr?)
Try looking up "Hasvir" instead. It might be a public alias, with Thorthur as a True Name hidden for purposes like these, and thus in this context a misdirection.
There's a Thord Cormorant who got pinned with a spear through his scrotum by Helgi
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
There's a Thord Cormorant who got pinned with a spear through his scrotum by Helgi
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Yeah, Thord looks like a reasonable alternative spelling of Thothur.
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Internet search may be stumbling on the fact that this is unfortunate English transcription of two different Norse letters; Þorður. May also be transcribed "Thordur" or "Tordur". Name is a short form of Thor-fridur, "Thor's peace".
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Looks like we're the ones to break the pole. We're fireproof and we don't have a scrotum.
Skarfr apparently has etymological connections to old ass words for "to shear", and that might just qualifyThere's a Thord Cormorant who got pinned with a spear through his scrotum by Helgi
More quotes from wiki on Bjurnt Njal
Fatally easy to goad them into action
Again very thematically fitting.
Easily goaded into (self) destructive actions sounds like an issue of norse culture relevant to the quest. And something "the Enemy" would probably want to strengthen as one of the mines to keep the norse from unfucking their situation.
Fatally easy to goad them into actions to avenge some suspicion of an insult
Fatally easy to goad them into action
Again very thematically fitting.
Easily goaded into (self) destructive actions sounds like an issue of norse culture relevant to the quest. And something "the Enemy" would probably want to strengthen as one of the mines to keep the norse from unfucking their situation.
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From the Seer, so Stronghoof's sireling might be a metaphor for Horra rather than the horse? Like saying, "Witness my actions"
I'm not so sure Burnt Njal's cheeks refers to fire. Burnt Njal was unable to grow a beard, so his cheeks likely "burned" with frostbite. That would fit with the face of anyone messing with the scorn pole being specifically mentioned, along with the rosy cheeks of Njal. It'd be a rather clever piece of misdirection
Alectai
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We're not weak against Ice though, we're weak against Water, this'd be a poor trap against one of Hallr's line if that's the initial retaliation. Could be doable though.
The "Dick-Chopped Off" effect though is absolutely horrifying though for anyone but Halla though, yeah.
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There's a Thord Cormorant who got pinned with a spear through his scrotum by Helgi
That's definitely it then. Which would make the meaning of the whole thing:
'Let all the Little-Watchers [land spirits] bear witness to Stronghoof's Sireling [this horse]. Let them know no rest till ESONTRIARWOR [Stone Warrior = Steinarr] is driven from the land in mind, body, and soul. May any who dare disrupt this righteous act have their face suffer worse than the downy-cheeks of RJUNNTABLS [Burnt-Njal's]. Let all who continue learn the pain of Thorthur Skarfr meeting Helgi Droplaugarson. [being stabbed in the scrotum]'
That's possible, yeah. So either fire or frost...probably the latter given that it's targeted against our family, you're right (we're not weak to ice, but we are resistant to fire, so he wouldn't use that). A frost attack right in the face sounds unpleasant, and the follow-up groin shot is very nasty.
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Alectai
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Actually, I suspect that the Horse is actually a distraction intentionally delivered to stir this shit up. I suspect Hasvir had a kenning that was "Stronghoof", and he literally named the horse after his father's kenning in order to create a distraction.
Wait, hang on, what does Horra and Hasvir mean, translated to english? Steinarr's name was done as a kenning as well! And we know the feud started because Hallr butchered Horra's father because he was harassing the Seeress.
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Maybe it isn't refering to literal or figurative burns, but beardlessness.
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Being seen as unmanly. "very hard to earn othstirr if you are a man"
I suppose it could be stretched to include a water based attack that would quickly freeze in the cold as well. Snow may also be a candidate by the same logic.
Alectai
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Someone want to run translations of Horra and Hasvir, just to be sure? I suspect that's the play, since he's been planning this for a long ass time. Long enough that he could easily muddy the waters by using the horse's name as a decoy or a red herring.
Note that the "scorn-pole" looks like its a another translation of nithing pole.
So it may not even be a distraction, just a classic part of the curse.
Alectai
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I still want to be Sure, get me those translations people! If we can eliminate any variables, all the better! "This Horse" feels too easy as something to slot inside.