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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Alectai said:
How much is an ounce of Gold worth here?
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8oz of Silver, so four cows
Alectai said:
And also, now that we've got a moment's peace and a chance to chat with the rest of the gang, how strong is "Fourth Decade-Sixth Bead" supposed to be? It seems like it's pretty strong but I don't know.
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Supposedly, there are 15 Decades to Christian Cultivation, with something called a Crucifix capping it off. Or starting it. Or both, the Norse don't really know a lot about the details of Christian Cultivation. It is very difficult for Norsemen to understand or gauge how powerful a Christian cultivator is, as they don't go off of age at all, but it is generally understood that a 40-year-old Norseman is roughly equal to a 8th or 9th Decade Christian Cultivator... though exceptions are plenty for reasons that the Norse simply can't seem to grok.
 
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Oof, so yeah, halfway through fifth Decade was Serious Business. If he wasn't so cocky and arrogant, he could have really fucked us up.
 
Halla at that age would probably say she was on her way to being a Steelmother if she was in his place. Technically true, if very very generous with the timing.

edit: ninja'd again damn
 
Sirrocco said:
I... had thought that Gabriel had said he was on his way to be knighted when Stienarr captured him? Was I confused?
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In this case, 'thought to be' is probably 'as far as the Norse understand' rather than '100% always true'. Gabriel could be an exception, or it could be that he was expected to progress that far in the time taken to reach that location, or it could be that being knighted confers a power boost...
 
[X] Plan: Put our Faith in the Nornir and they will provide
[X] Plan: Let's Rob A Church

Well, it's good to know that Christian cultivation in general relies on Focus.
 
[X] Plan: Let's Rob A Church
-[X] Muna: Fighting Father Gerrit (Provides Twist: Punching Up)
-[X] (Population) Let them go (Reduces Heat)
-[X] (Buildings) Pillage for everything of value
-[X] (Loot) The Church

This seems alright to me. I wonder if completing a Decade comes with some sort of perk.

Edit: Also I think maybe one of the reasons why Norse cultivation is universal in their culture is because it is external rather than internal. A Christian has to prepare themselves to hold Fervor internally but the Norse from a young age are connected to a larger network which carriers Orthstirr. Can adopted children inherit Orthstirr?
 
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Imperial Fister said:
A newly ordained Knight is thought to probably be in the 4th or 5th Decade
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So, he was solidly on the level of an established--if not particularly exceptional--Knight. Yeesh.

Just he was massively overspecialized, so when his gimmick was countered, he didn't have the depth to recover, is that about right?

Still, I would not want to fight a Priest like that if he had an actual frontline worth a damn. We could take him out once we sifted through his gimmicks quickly, but if he even had a Squire in their full armor protecting him, he'd have been dramatically more dangerous because they'd have been able to Intercept our attacks, preventing us from capitalizing on the opening we forced.

Yeah, I get the feeling that Christians are really built to win in Mass Combat rather than small scale raids like this. They've got scary-ass synergy going for them while Norse Cultivators are more about each individual being self-sufficient and any synergy is just a matter of individual relationships rather than any innate ability to cooperate. Probably the only thing keeping the Norse from being out-competed is--in fact, the Nornir being Real and an Actual Thing, and the longer someone's allowed to be alive, the stronger they get. Which probably means that Steelfathers and the like probably shit all over arbitrary amounts of ordinary fighters, and we already saw Steinarr is an absolute beast when he decides to stop sandbagging, from the interlude.

Notably, I'm recalling that for all this guy was beefy, Halla still thought he was lacking in comparison to Jerasmus. Which suggests that Jerasmus is significantly more powerful than even that. Explains why Gabriel thought he was only the "Third Strongest one there".
 
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He had like Hamr 2/3 from what I can tell.

Actually I wonder if Priests go full Hugr and Knights go full Hamr.
 
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Shard said:
He had like Hamr 2/3 from what I can tell.

Actually I wonder if Priests go full Hugr and Knights go full Hamr.
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I think it's more a matter of investment? A Knight is very expensive, and I'm not sure the Christian cultivation method is great at physical stuff to begin with, or they wouldn't feel they needed to supplement with gear as heavily as they do.

It might just very well be that Soma isn't worth a big investment in unless you're on the Knight track, where you'll get the gear needed to take full advantage of it (Their 'Tricks' so to speak come from their Armor, rather than just straight up being that swole). So ordinary priests get just enough of it to survive the occasional accidental hit and mostly focus on doubling down on their Hugr equivalent.
 
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Alectai said:
So, he was solidly on the level of an established--if not particularly exceptional--Knight. Yeesh.

Just he was massively overspecialized, so when his gimmick was countered, he didn't have the depth to recover, is that about right?

Still, I would not want to fight a Priest like that if he had an actual frontline worth a damn. We could take him out once we sifted through his gimmicks quickly, but if he even had a Squire in their full armor protecting him, he'd have been dramatically more dangerous.
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Heck, even a Knight of the same power would've wrecked us one on one, I think. Though we probably wouldn't have tried for one-on-one with a knight...fighting with help is only nid if you declare one on one first, based on some other stuff we've been told.

Alectai said:
Yeah, I get the feeling that Christians are really built to win in Mass Combat rather than small scale raids like this. They've got scary-ass synergy going for them while Norse Cultivators are more about each individual being self-sufficient and any synergy is just a matter of individual relationships rather than any innate ability to cooperate.
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I dunno if it's mass combat so much as specialization. All Norsemen are all-rounders while you have more variety in what the Christian cultivators do.

Alectai said:
Notably, I'm recalling that for all this guy was beefy, Halla still thought he was lacking in comparison to Jerasmus. Which suggests that Jerasmus is significantly more powerful than even that. Explains why Gabriel thought he was only the "Third Strongest one there".
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I'll repeat my previous speculation here that I don't think that was a power level thing, I think Jerasmus has his fylgja equivalent unlocked and this guy didn't. Which doesn't mean Jerasmus isn't more powerful, but I don't think that's what we were picking up there.

Shard said:
He had like Hamr 3 from what I can tell.

Actually I wonder if Priests go full Hugr and Knights go full Hamr.
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Priests more than Knights but I bet most Knights have higher Soma than (Hugr Equivalent) and most Priests have higher (Hugr Equivalent) than Soma, yeah.

Alectai said:
I think it's more a matter of investment? A Knight is very expensive, and I'm not sure the Christian cultivation method is great at physical stuff to begin with, or they wouldn't feel they needed to supplement with gear.

It might just very well be that Soma isn't worth a big investment in unless you're on the Knight track, where you'll get the gear needed to take full advantage of it (Their 'Tricks' so to speak come from their Armor, rather than just straight up being that swole). So ordinary priests get just enough of it to survive the occasional accidental hit and mostly focus on doubling down on their Hugr equivalent.
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We fought Gabriel without his armor and he was still pretty potent. The armor's good but it's not the entirety of the Knight's power by any means. I think most Priests just don't bother.

EDIT: Or can't for one reason or another, now that I think on it.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We fought Gabriel without his armor and he was still pretty potent. The armor's good but it's not the entirety of the Knight's power by any means. I think most Priests just don't bother.
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Judging by the Priests' defenses, I would assume the logic is... anything that can get past those defenses is probably strong enough that an Armored Priest won't be able survive melee noticeably more often than an Unarmored Priest, so it's better to focus on just not letting the opponent get that close in the first place.
 
[X] Muna: Fighting Father Gerrit (Upgrades Fight of Your Life)
[X] (Population) Let them go (Reduces Heat)
[X] (Buildings) Pillage for everything of value
[X] (Loot) The Mayor's House

As much as cool magic item appeals to you guys, we need money as some items we want to craft take a lot of bog iron and are not guaranteed to be good quality, Plus money can be exchanged for goods and services like Norse magic stuff.
 
Ryumancer said:
Judging by the Priests' defenses, I would assume the logic is... anything that can get past those defenses is probably strong enough that an Armored Priest won't be able survive melee noticeably more often than an Unarmored Priest, so it's better to focus on just not letting the opponent get that close in the first place.
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I was mostly speaking to the idea of Knights having Tricks only in armor (which is not true, as Gabriel demonstrates).

But as to why the Priest wasn't wearing any, my theory is that he probably couldn't. We've speculated before about some Shapeshifting stuff not allowing armor and I bet the same is true, in a very different way, for some of the stuff Priests do. Like, Gabriel did not have a magic force-field, and I bet that's because Knights don't learn that trick because it doesn't work in armor. Now their armor is better, so they go with that, but that's Knight-exclusive and if your choice is magic force field or, like, a gambeson you probably go with the magic.

Slickji said:
[X] Muna: Fighting Father Gerrit (Upgrades Fight of Your Life)
[X] (Population) Let them go (Reduces Heat)
[X] (Buildings) Pillage for everything of value
[X] (Loot) The Mayor's House

As much as cool magic item appeals to you guys, we need money as some items we want to craft take a lot of bog iron and are not guaranteed to be good quality, Plus money can be exchanged for goods and services like Norse magic stuff.
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This needs to be put in a Plan.
 
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Hmm, also, he did have a solution to people closing with him. Which was--apparently "Drop a flashbang and teleport away". It's just that once he did that trick once, we knew it was coming and could counter it the next time. Remember that Standstill is a very uncommon Hugareida and not the typical sort of thing that a young Norse would have access to anyway.
 
Huh... I wonder if Christian cultivation cares about ranks in your respective organisation?
Like Decades 1-5 make you a priest, 6-10 a deacon/bishop, and 11-15 an archdeacon, with only the most powerful - decades 15(+) being pope?

Or alternatively, if like when Halla got more orthstirr for accepting to be part of the raiding party.
Do Christians priests get additional powers for growing in ranks in the clergy (to augment their Decades)?

In that line, do knights reflect nobility? Or is being a Knight seen as ultimately a dead-end?
Like, yes you'll get to x number of Decades, but never be able to ascend beyond, because a soldier can never been as deep in the Mysteries of God as an ascetic (in theory) priest can?
 
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[X] Safe side
-[X] Muna: Fighting Father Gerrit (Upgrades Fight of Your Life)
-[X] (Population) Let them go (Reduces Heat)
-[X] (Buildings) Pillage for everything of value
-[X] (Loot) The Mayor's House
 
Alectai said:
Hmm, also, he did have a solution to people closing with him. Which was--apparently "Drop a flashbang and teleport away". It's just that once he did that trick once, we knew it was coming and could counter it the next time. Remember that Standstill is a very uncommon Hugareida and not the typical sort of thing that a young Norse would have access to anyway.
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Yeah, we're vastly better with Hugareida than the vast majority of Norsemen...even those decades our senior, I think. Like, Steinarr is better than we are, but he also benefited from Hallr's teaching, and I bet we're better than Abjorn's father.

Really, what got him was two separate Hugareida used cleverly...if we hadn't had both of them, we would've lost and most raiders of 20 don't even have one. No wonder he was surprised.

Slickji said:
@Imperial Fister We havent gotten bird gachas since winter 4 turn 2? it doesnt have to be every turn just wondering if have to meet requirements to trigger it.
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It's once a season, usually at midsummer and midwinter. We missed the midsummer one, but I already mentioned it and Imperial Fister said we'll get one at the end of next turn's raiding instead, which seems fair enough.
 
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Yeah, it's not just that Halla has 2 Hugareida, but they have excellent tactical synergy (If not necessarily to the level they can be Alloyed), and Standstill is a giant pain in the ass if used well.
 
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