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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Skippy said:
Like it does not make sense as a military objective given that (A) it was a pyrrhic victory on their part, and he was clearly more formidable than even Alarik expected (B) there were much greater and more urgent priorities, like defeating the force we had in the field, or extricating their other forces, or simply raiding. The monofocus on Steinarr essentially cost them nearly their entire force. That really only makes sense as a targeted killing, not a deliberate military decision.
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Eh...this really depends. Alarik and his people were an elite unit and Steinarr was a legend with Firestorm 7. His contribution to mass combat might actually have been a lot more significant than the entire force of people sent to kill him just on the basis of 'Oh shit, he has more Firestorm than any of our people.'

Like, how good someone is in single or small group combat and how terrifying they are in a field battle with hundreds on both sides are not quite the same thing, and Steinarr had some stuff that made him scary in the latter. It's not what happened, but it's not a crazy idea.

Skippy said:
Then I think we sort of agree that there's a significant probability?

My argument is that if there's some chance higher than say, 10-20% that Dorri suspects we know, then the consequences are so bad that we need to plan against that contingency. Which I think we are also broadly agreed on.
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So, I think the argument is more about what we mean by 'suspects'. I think the odds are less than 1% that Dorri actually believes, for sure, that we know. I also think the odds are very good he's worried we might find out, and that we should be prepared to throw him off in various ways if possible. But if he actually believed we knew, he'd be sending killers for us right now, and he's not, so I think he's worried rather than actually knowing anything.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Really, watching Dorri at home is worthless, IMO, because he lives with a bunch of people and they can't all be in on it. We need to watch where he goes when he leaves his home, especially alone or with only a very small number of people. That would be legal.
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He also probably can't shroud himself when he's out and about from surveillance nearly as much as Horra was able to ward his personal farmstead.

I think with whatever spirit surveillance we do, we should try and establish patterns of movement for Dorri and his next of kin - narrow down the search area for Halla to personally follow up on.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Eh...this really depends. Alarik and his people were an elite unit and Steinarr was a legend with Firestorm 7. His contribution to mass combat might actually have been a lot more significant than the entire force of people sent to kill him just on the basis of 'Oh shit, he has more Firestorm than any of our people.'

Like, how good someone is in single or small group combat and how terrifying they are in a field battle with hundreds on both sides are not quite the same thing, and Steinarr had some stuff that made him scary in the latter. It's not what happened, but it's not a crazy idea.
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Even if it were the case, I think it being an obviously targeted move to go and kill Steinarr - at significant cost given the situation - would still have motivated Halla to want to find out more, which was the original point of contention.
 
Skippy said:
He also probably can't shroud himself when he's out and about from surveillance nearly as much as Horra was able to ward his personal farmstead.

I think with whatever spirit surveillance we do, we should try and establish patterns of movement for Dorri and his next of kin - narrow down the search area for Halla to personally follow up on.
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I suspect that, like Horra, he does have mobile defenses in that regard (Horra had a cloak, IIRC). But yes, inasmuch as we can do this it's a solid plan in terms of prepping for further investigation.

Skippy said:
Even if it were the case, I think it being an obviously targeted move to go and kill Steinarr - at significant cost given the situation - would still have motivated Halla to want to find out more, which was the original point of contention.
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I never said she wouldn't, but she'd more likely ask things like who in Rogaland ordered it than who in the Hading Valley. She could maybe get to the right answer eventually, but three questions is awful quick to figure out a specific person starting from wrong info to start with.
 
Skippy said:
(It actually does not make sense as a purely military objective, IMO, given they basically abandoned their whole force just to send forty guys to kill him - he's a valuable target, but not that valuable.)
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Skippy, look at it like this. Steinarr, when he was "only" as he was for most of our lives, was basically a weak Steelfather in everything but the invincibility. They won't have many people who are capable of matching him in a fight, and he is specialised in slaughtering lesser foes with his stupid level of Firestorm and his "spend 6 Orth, hit for 200+ on dice and several damage". If he gets loose in your main battleline, he is going to slaughter a solid chunk of them on his own. They sent a concentration of force that very few people can match, and made him burn a slice of Idun's apples, and then they very nearly failed as ALL OF THEM died in the fight, and when we showed up we could have healed him if it wasn't his Fated Day. All of the hit squad will have been at least Top, leaning towards Upper Top and Peak, meaning that they are very useful to have in the 40 different places you can have them instead of a deathball so that you have a shot at not all of them dying to this WDM of a man. Also, they expected that they wouldn't take the horrifying casualties they did because they expected old man Steinarr, not Peak Stienarr, so they probably would only have lost maybe a dozen of their weaker men, and then most will get back up.

Also, think of the Orth gains that all of the survivors will have got, and that they all will have gotten a really good Muna from this fight with him, when we unlocked the Sword Hugarinda from simply seeing him fight in his old age and they fought him at his peak.
 
AeonIlluminate said:
Also, think of the Orth gains that all of the survivors will have got, and that they all will have gotten a really good Muna from this fight with him, when we unlocked the Sword Hugarinda from simply seeing him fight in his old age and they fought him at his peak.
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Eh...Muna maybe, Orthstirr probably not. Dying to one man in a 1v40 is not all that glorious. Like, I'm sure they got some, but not huge amounts. Alarik may have gotten more since he comes across as not having died.
 
AeonIlluminate said:
Skippy, look at it like this. Steinarr, when he was "only" as he was for most of our lives, was basically a weak Steelfather in everything but the invincibility. They won't have many people who are capable of matching him in a fight, and he is specialised in slaughtering lesser foes with his stupid level of Firestorm and his "spend 6 Orth, hit for 200+ on dice and several damage". If he gets loose in your main battleline, he is going to slaughter a solid chunk of them on his own. They sent a concentration of force that very few people can match, and made him burn a slice of Idun's apples, and then they very nearly failed as ALL OF THEM died in the fight, and when we showed up we could have healed him if it wasn't his Fated Day. All of the hit squad will have been at least Top, leaning towards Upper Top and Peak, meaning that they are very useful to have in the 40 different places you can have them instead of a deathball so that you have a shot at not all of them dying to this WDM of a man. Also, they expected that they wouldn't take the horrifying casualties they did because they expected old man Steinarr, not Peak Stienarr, so they probably would only have lost maybe a dozen of their weaker men, and then most will get back up.
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One guy who is weaker than a regular Steelfather is not compelling enough of a reason to mount an entire military expedition over, given the amount of men and the political factors involved. Sure, Steinarr is cool, but if gets loose on your main battleline, you send another strong guy to fight him and then they fight, that's how Norse warfare works. Like you can come up with potential reasons to justify it because the idea has been brought up in this discussion, but no one would actually naturally think "Ah yes, this raid must be specifically to kill Steinarr, who is obviously a critical military asset.". Look back when the raid happened, I can guarantee not one person said this. It's just a bizarre idea.

We are now talking about a tangent off of a tangent, so I think it might be better to get back to something more relevant.
 
What Fylgja do we think the weird twins will end up with? Wolves would make sense from Fenris heart, but I wonder if they won't get something more unique due to their oddness.
 
I doubt the list of Fylga is that small if an animal like a beaver can show up as an option. So we could probably see some pretty odd ones come out that we hadn't seen before.
 
I'm personally a fan of mustelids so I hope they show up and we get to know what they do eventually. There's multiple native to the Scandinavian regions as well, i believe? Stoats, polecats, and badgers as well.

I'm surprised that as far as we have seen we have met no one with a boar Fylgja.
 
KittyEmpress said:
I'm personally a fan of mustelids so I hope they show up and we get to know what they do eventually. There's multiple native to the Scandinavian regions as well, i believe? Stoats, polecats, and badgers as well.
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We've been told Blackhand's Fylgja was a badger (maybe only on Discord?) but seeing some mustelids from other people would definitely be cool.

KittyEmpress said:
I'm surprised that as far as we have seen we have met no one with a boar Fylgja.
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We haven't met a lot of people with known Fylgjas, in fairness. It's been less than 20, I think. But yeah, a boar has to be fairly common.
 
We don't have Seeing Eyes, so even if we met someone had a Boar Fylgja we wouldn't necessarily see it.
 
KittyEmpress said:
With boars being mostly known for tenacity and endurance, but bears being endurance doublers, what do we think Boars would do?

I'm thinking some kind of passive DR bonus.
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Boars are heavily associated with Freyr in Norse mythology and thus with, like, fertility and abundance more than anything. It's plausible that the Boar Fylgja is the one that helps with farming or something like that (at a basic level). The 'combat focused' Boar options at Fylgja 4+ are probably endurance and DR associated, though.

That's not the only interpretation, but it's a possibility.
 
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Unrelated thought, while we cant infuse martial styles with odr, what happens if we activaate stoker state with odr rather then orth?

Also do you think there is any aspect of Odr cultivation we can alloy?
Can we alloy stuff with a kenning?
Can alloys interact with captured experiences?
And can we alloy skills and hugareidas?

Also an idea can we alloy sailwind and heated shroud to get some persistent area of heat?
 
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Blademaster said:
Unrelated thought, while we cant infuse martial styles with odr, what happens if we activaate stoker state with odr rather then orth?
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Nothing special. Activating things with Odr instead of Orthstirr does nothing inherently special. Adding Odr on top of the Orthstirr cost can, but that's different.

Blademaster said:
Also do you think there is any aspect of Odr cultivation we can alloy?
Can we alloy stuff with a kenning?
Can alloys interact with captured experiences?
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We were warned against Alloying Frenzy. What other 'aspect of Odr cultivation' do you have in mind? The others we don't really know, though we could certainly try.

Blademaster said:
And can we alloy skills and hugareidas?
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Probably? We know we can with Martial Styles. We've alloyed Chop and Stoker State, for instance.

Blademaster said:
Also an idea can we alloy sailwind and heated shroud to get some persistent area of heat?
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Sailwind isn't really very persistent...a persistent area of heat seems like an easy Campfire Trick more than an alloy, to me. If we want one, we can get it pretty easily.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
We were warned against Alloying Frenzy. What other 'aspect of Odr cultivation' do you have in mind? The others we don't really know, though we could certainly try.
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Well one idea that springs to mind is Tomvaettir though given they are spirits it might be problematic. But there should be more options I think
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Nothing special. Activating things with Odr instead of Orthstirr does nothing inherently special. Adding Odr on top of the Orthstirr cost can, but that's different.
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Thats what I meant
 
Blademaster said:
Well one idea that springs to mind is Tomvaettir though given they are spirits it might be problematic. But there should be more options I think
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Tomvaettir are not part of us, they are spirits that happen to live in our soulscape. Trying to alloy them would be like trying to alloy the chicken. Alloying separate creatures seems like something that, if it exists, is Shapecrafter only.

Blademaster said:
Thats what I meant
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I mean...they do the same as Hugareida or other Tricks? They get more impressive, with what that means varying by the specific Trick.
 
Shard said:
It might be worth prodding Skavidr with Raven's Unriddling active.
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Talking with Skavidr to let him down easy and try and get info is a valid use for one of our daily actions on the trip home. We could even admit we, by coincidence, saw him reporting on us and see what happens, potentially. That provokes a response without revealing too much about our actual goals, since anyone who spotted him spying on them would react by not accepting his offer. To someone paranoid, it says we're more perceptive than they thought or hoped, but since we'd chalk it up (at least partially correctly) to luck, it would not reveal specifics.

Of course, doing all that also gives up one opportunity to recruit someone else into our retinue. Still might be correct, but it is not without a cost.
 
I'll call voting in an hour.

I have missed a lot of questions, my apologies, if you folks could ask or link them that would be much appreciated
 
I wonder if we could recruit that mountain spirit dude we met to help us spy on Dorri, or maybe more usefully... gather more info on Drysalt through the spirit grapevine?

Like he seems to be fairly powerful and also a master of deception and tricks, so it could work?

Imperial Fister said:
I'll call voting in an hour.

I have missed a lot of questions, my apologies, if you folks could ask or link them that would be much appreciated
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If we want to fill in Solrun about Dorri's involvement with Drysalt and get her help in magical surveillance, would that take a social action, or can we do it in our free questions with her. How useful is her help recruiting spirits to spy on him/try and work out patterns of movement likely to be?
 
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