Dorri's out of our weight class, right now, we need to pivot to Drysalt.

I think Logi's just, unfortunately, sworn to Dorri, and thus, even if he hates Drysalt, he can't go against his oaths either.
 
The party sent to kill Steinarr came at the same time as the retaliation raid, and had joined up with them.

I wonder, was this planned, or a coincidence?

The former would make sense as a full-scale raid makes a pretty good cover for both the assassination itself, and any attempt to work out who else may have been involved. But it would also mean Dorri willingly allowed the Hading be attacked just to cover up Steinarr's assassination, which is a pretty staggering level of perfidy given his duty to protect it as Jarl. The alternative is that it was just fortuitous timing. But it is a remarkable coincidence for the two attacks to be launched at the same time, unless perhaps Alarik's party learned of the raid already being planned and decided to coordinate on timing for the perfect distraction.
 
The former would make sense as a full-scale raid makes a pretty good cover for both the assassination itself, and any attempt to work out who else may have been involved. But it would also mean Dorri willingly allowed the Hading be attacked just to cover up Steinarr's assassination, which is a pretty staggering level of perfidy given his duty to protect it as Jarl. The alternative is that it was just fortuitous timing. But it is a remarkable coincidence for the two attacks to be launched at the same time, unless perhaps Alarik's party learned of the raid already being planned and decided to coordinate on timing for the perfect distraction.

Alarik was explicitly the leader of the whole raid. He set up the whole thing...a raid might've happened without him, but he's the one who actually organized it.
 
Alarik was explicitly the leader of the whole raid. He set up the whole thing...a raid might've happened without him, but he's the one who actually organized it.

Hmmm, fair enough, that explains that then.

Although it does mean that Dorri shares responsibility not just for Steinarr's death, but for the deaths of everyone killed in the raid. A raid on his own Jarldom no less.
 
Although it does mean that Dorri shares responsibility not just for Steinarr's death, but for the deaths of everyone killed in the raid. A raid on his own Jarldom no less.
Didn't we basically steamroll the raid? Like from my memory we didn't lose that many, so the potential Nid loss probably isn't that high.
 
Hmmm, fair enough, that explains that then.

Although it does mean that Dorri shares responsibility not just for Steinarr's death, but for the deaths of everyone killed in the raid. A raid on his own Jarldom no less.

Yup. Seems like it. Dorri's a piece of shit. He ain't walking away from this.

Didn't we basically steamroll the raid? Like from my memory we didn't lose that many, so the potential Nid loss probably isn't that high.

We lost a tiny number compared to the raiders, but we're still talking at least a dozen people dead, not counting Steinarr.
 
Winter 10 Turn 1 research, kid named Peter Flamestepper.

...He was my connection between Logi and the messenger.
My thought process was: who do we know is fast? Logi is fast, but only that kid (Flamestepper, I couldn't remember his name), a servant of Dorri, is known for such a trick. However, Peter would know Logi, who also has Fire-based powers. He's also the type of guy to just teach a guy a trick for fun and because it might be helpful. Logi, who is fast, powerful, and works for Dorri who we now know is in cahoots with Drysalt.

Dorri, you shall die for your part in Stenairr's death.
 
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Logi feels like he could go either way. Other than a desire to do violence and a one sided rivalry with Steinarr we don't know too much about him. From the trial he doesn't exactly seem like the deepest thinker so it's entirely possible he's being conned if his reactions about Drysalt were genuine. Of course it's also possible his rivalry progressed from "I want to surpass Steinarr," to "I hate that he's better than me," to "I hate him so much that I want him dead and I don't care how it happens."
 
I'm gonna be honest, the amount of plot thread pileup we are experiencing is extreme it feels like, I hope if we do end up solving some of these we get at least a bit of downtime to spend with our kids in peace, without tons of huge existential threats.

Halla's life has been one big threat to the next ever since she turned 16. Doesn't leave much time to get good parenting hours in.


Edit: who all is going with us to Gotland and who isn't? Are we leaving family behind? Who is watching the kids? This new info makes me not want to leave the kids without someone of at least Sten's level around, but I'm sure he wants to be there for ash spreading.
 
Didn't we basically steamroll the raid? Like from my memory we didn't lose that many, so the potential Nid loss probably isn't that high.

Even one person getting killed was still a person who he was bound to protect as their Jarl, and is pretty inexcusable. We did a good job stopping the raid, but our casualties were definitely a fair bit higher than that.

Edit: who all is going with us to Gotland and who isn't? Are we leaving family behind? Who is watching the kids? This new info makes me not want to leave the kids without someone of at least Sten's level around, but I'm sure he wants to be there for ash spreading.

There's a vote about that, but I think it may have been slightly sidelined as we discussed these divination revelations.
 
There's a vote about that, but I think it may have been slightly sidelined as we discussed these divination revelations

Yeah I just think it's important to think about. If Dorri is targeting more than us, or suspects we are getting involved, or the invisible spirits told him about us invading their rightful land and he's getting antsy, bad things could happen. He's already in deep Nidshit as it is. Do we think we can rely on his honor to not slaughter children and our huskarls while we are away?

But at the same time we can't exactly bring kids on our vessel. We were told multiple times that there's a chance of getting raided while passing by at sea.


But we also can't really tell Sten he can't come with to see dad off and follow his wishes. And while Trygr and the others are cool I don't think they could save our family from a concentrated effort to kill them. And they probably wanna come with.
 
Yeah I just think it's important to think about. If Dorri is targeting more than us, or suspects we are getting involved, or the invisible spirits told him about us invading their rightful land and he's getting antsy, bad things could happen. He's already in deep Nidshit as it is. Do we think we can rely on his honor to not slaughter children and our huskarls while we are away?

But at the same time we can't exactly bring kids on our vessel. We were told multiple times that there's a chance of getting raided while passing by at sea.


But we also can't really tell Sten he can't come with to see dad off and follow his wishes. And while Trygr and the others are cool I don't think they could save our family from a concentrated effort to kill them. And they probably wanna come with.

Yeah it's definitely something to think about seriously.

Sten has to come with us I think, Steinarr is as much his dad as ours.

But Abjorn and our huskarls could stay to guard the farm, and probably should. We can explain the situation to Abjorn, and as for our huskarls... they're our sworn men and sometimes that means following an order from your lord.
 
I think we should bring the kids with us on the journey. Telling them the saga of Stennair Greenthumb along the way.
Also, we should see if Eric and our sister wanna come with.
 
Dorri's out of our weight class, right now, we need to pivot to Drysalt.

I think Logi's just, unfortunately, sworn to Dorri, and thus, even if he hates Drysalt, he can't go against his oaths either.
I'm pretty sure Drysalt is more powerful than Dorri, in terms of influence and power.
 
Yeah, but opposing Drysalt isn't something we can really be censured over without him blowing the whole lid open either.

Still, it's good to know all of this regardless, the Vestfold Trip just became even higher priority to do ASAP.
 
With Dorri and Drysalt having paid to kill our father, would it be safer for our children to be with us on the trip, or back at our farm?

Drysalt can make just about any monster attack, which is extremely concerning.
 
If Drysalt was going to attack the farm, he's had a few months to do it now. It's possible there may be an attack coming to kill Halla if Dorri has just learnt via ant-spy that we know about his involvement, and wants to stop us telling people. If that's the case then he'd need to move extremely quickly. Killing our children whilst we're away gains Dorri nothing. It's only likely to make Halla do something insane out of vengeance. Dorri knows that Halla is a Sedir practitioner, and he knows Corpsemaker has already been to see us and offered us the Jarldom. I don't think he'd do something which will enrage Halla, but leave her alive.

The real risk to our family is an assassination attempt on Halla which backfires and arrives whilst we're away, I think. If that's the case then it's likely to arrive soon, so perhaps delaying our trip a few days and holding down the fort might be the safest policy. That, or leaving with everyone ASAP, but that will make it abundantly clear we've learnt something if he had incomplete information from the ant and was unsure.
 
I'm gonna be honest, the amount of plot thread pileup we are experiencing is extreme it feels like, I hope if we do end up solving some of these we get at least a bit of downtime to spend with our kids in peace, without tons of huge existential threats.
I'd very much like to do that. Unfortunately, it seems I'm very bad at downtime stuff—just doesn't grab the inspiration like plot stuff does.
Dorri's out of our weight class, right now, we need to pivot to Drysalt.
I find this funny, but I won't say why
 
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