So just a hypothetical here but what if we put some hidden runes on the armor pieces we give dorii that curse them (something like "the wearer of this pace shell feel the nid of its commissioner and all attacks will find their heart without fail") would that be nid? After all commissioning something from the daughter of the men you payed to kill and her being a seer as well seems to fall under the "you really should have expected this outcome" banner.

And I would really like to curse him in some way.
 
So just a hypothetical here but what if we put some hidden runes on the armor pieces we give dorii that curse them (something like "the wearer of this pace shell feel the nid of its commissioner and all attacks will find their heart without fail") would that be nid? After all commissioning something from the daughter of the men you payed to kill and her being a seer as well seems to fall under the "you really should have expected this outcome" banner.

And I would really like to curse him in some way.
That would absolutely be Nid because that's attacking innocents in a way they had no way of knowing and no way to defend against. And would also just be super scummy in general.
 
Problem is, we asked specifically for who "paid" for steinarr's death, so Drysalt isn't just someone hired, he's part of the instigation.

That's true, but I'm not sure how this contradicts what I said?

Allies is a pretty broad term and encompasses more than just someone being hired. For all we know, Steinarr's death may have been something Drysalt requested as part of his "price" for their alliance.
 
So just a hypothetical here but what if we put some hidden runes on the armor pieces we give dorii that curse them (something like "the wearer of this pace shell feel the nid of its commissioner and all attacks will find their heart without fail") would that be nid? After all commissioning something from the daughter of the men you payed to kill and her being a seer as well seems to fall under the "you really should have expected this outcome" banner.

And I would really like to curse him in some way.

This would absolutely be nid. Also stupid...he's not wearing that stuff personally, and the people he gives it to may well not be on his side in the end once the Drysalt reveal occurs.
 
Hey Halla, does everyone in the Valley basically know about your Dressed in Rags twist after how you used it on your expedition and the Horra Trial?
 
Norse dogs were actually on the smaller side, all things considered—if I recall correctly, that is.

The archetypal "Norse"* dog breeds - which are actually all Sámi in origin - are sort of vaguely husky-looking, medium sized to small, and bred for herding or hunting, yeah. Although breeds like the Swedish Elkhound are roughly the size of a Labrador retriever - not a big mastiff-type dog or livestock guardian by any means, but not small either. Notably, they seem to have wolf introgression into their DNA more recently than most other dogs, probably reflecting a herding lifestyle where the ancestors of these breeds could easily come into contact with wolves.

Searching around, Denmark does have its own mastiff breed, the Broholmer, probably used for hunting and as guard dogs by nobility, like most large mastiff and alaunt breeds in Europe. It's unclear to me how old this breed is - it may have been a later import as Scandinavia integrated more closely with the styles of the rest of medieval Europe. However, we know that large mastiff-type breeds go right back to Antiquity, so if someone said to me that the first time that mastiff-type dogs came to Scandinavia was from some German chieftain's son who traded with Roman legionaries on the Rhine frontier, I wouldn't be too shocked.

The was I read it was you saying Dorri hired Drysalt like he seems to be doing with all the other creatures, my bad if I misunderstood.

No, apologies for any miscommunication on my end. What I meant was that Dorri might be looking for alliances generally if he's desperate, and the Vittra possibly being another spirit-ally is weak evidence in that direction. Honestly it does make a degree of sense as a desperation play, the more I think about it. Dorri by himself has no chance in an outright confrontation with Corpsemaker, but Drysalt on the other hand...

...however it's good to keep an open mind here. There might be some wrinkle we don't know about. Perhaps the Jarl of the Hading has to placate Drysalt or he'll come back, and Dorri has been locked into some sort of reluctant agreement with Drysalt for years, long before the current tension with Corpsemaker. We need to find out more.
 
No, apologies for any miscommunication on my end. What I meant was that Dorri might be looking for alliances generally if he's desperate, and the Vittra possibly being another spirit-ally is weak evidence in that direction. Honestly it does make a degree of sense as a desperation play, the more I think about it. Dorri by himself has no chance in an outright confrontation with Corpsemaker, but Drysalt on the other hand...

...however it's good to keep an open mind here. There might be some wrinkle we don't know about. Perhaps the Jarl of the Hading has to placate Drysalt or he'll come back, and Dorri has been locked into some sort of reluctant agreement with Drysalt for years, long before the current tension with Corpsemaker. We need to find out more.

Yeah, the top paragraph is my basic analysis. I'm more skeptical of the second possibility, but I agree we should keep an open mind. It might be something else even if it's not that specific scenario.
 
I'm sad we didn't side with Corpsemaker now. I wasn't around as a voter at the time. But I found him very convincing and I was down to throw I'm with him when I read that post.

Though being Head(wo)man probably would bring issues itself and get in the way of our own stuff. But with how often we stay home maybe not.
 
I'm sad we didn't side with Corpsemaker now. I wasn't around as a voter at the time. But I found him very convincing and I was down to throw I'm with him when I read that post.

Though being Head(wo)man probably would bring issues itself and get in the way of our own stuff. But with how often we stay home maybe not.

Learning what we know now, it would have been a disaster. I'm just glad we avoided actively insulting Corpsemaker and were fairly diplomatic about the whole business.

But yeah, Framarr and the Ant Panopticon was a scary ass thing to learn about here, yeesh. Flekkr is Best Boi.
 
I'm sad we didn't side with Corpsemaker now. I wasn't around as a voter at the time. But I found him very convincing and I was down to throw I'm with him when I read that post.
I think if we had said yes Halla would have exploded trying to fight the vote. She Does Not Like Corpsemaker due to him being an ass to Steinarr.
 
Interesting that Logi isn't among them, but well, he is Dori's right hand.

It also has interesting implications for his reaction during the trial.

Edit: I'm still salty that our really well-thought-out legal arguments were not used.
 
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At the time, we felt loyal to Dorri since he'd been decent to us, and we'd just fought together. Now however...

...it seems that this turning into open conflict at some point down the line is inevitable, and if we have to fight Drysalt and Dorri, then we'll probably want Corpsemaker's help. In that case, getting to be Jarl in the bargain isn't a bad deal. Assuming that we actually want the job of course.
 
I'm sad we didn't side with Corpsemaker now. I wasn't around as a voter at the time. But I found him very convincing and I was down to throw I'm with him when I read that post.

Though being Head(wo)man probably would bring issues itself and get in the way of our own stuff. But with how often we stay home maybe not.

I think that would have been a tactical error, actually. We would have suddenly been in a position where any accusation we made against Dorri was suspect because his loss was our gain, and we would have been too busy and under observation to do a proper investigation. It would have put us on the 'right side' of a war, but it would have forced us to fight innocent people and made proving Dorri's treachery a lot harder.

Telling him we've rethought things might be a decent move later, but I think it was correct at the time.

I wonder if this means Dorri has known about Horra this whole time and was just cutting off an asset that didn't need to be kept on.

That's possible, yeah. It's also possible he knew about some of it but not all. I think Logi's reactions were genuine and he's just been conned hard, but it's hard to say for sure...
 
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I wonder if this means Dorri has known about Horra this whole time and was just cutting off an asset that didn't need to be kept on.

Dorri does seem the keen type to practice Operational Security. Though, it might be ridding himself of a competitor.

Telling him we've rethought things might be a decent move later, but I think it was correct at the time.

Perhaps telling him we looked into it on his word might appeal to him more (which in the strictest sense is true.)

...Wait... Who else in the valley is famous for speed and Fire tricks? Could Logi be the messenger?
Edit: When we first met Logi at the meeting, he flash-stepped toward us.

Could Horra have been Dori's way of dealing with Stennair?

Edit: The boy with the firestep trick is notable in only one way. He's Dorri's servant. It leaves an opportunity for contact between him and the famously fire-based Logi. It is possible that Logi could've taught him the trick because he was annoyed at him taking too long or because he liked him.
 
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Perhaps telling him we looked into it on his word might appeal to him more (which in the strictest sense is true.)

We can work our phrasing to flatter him, sure, though I doubt he'd actually care. He'll care more about the realpolitik advantages than anything.

...Wait... Who else in the valley is famous for speed and Fire tricks? Could Logi be the messenger?

I think Logi is not in the know on this. I could be wrong, but his rage about Drysalt seemed sincere.

Could Horra have been Dori's way of dealing with Stennair?

Possibly. Or, more accurately, Drysalt's.
 
We actually got the name of someone whose Kenning leads to speed and fire. But they were also under the payroll of Dorri so slightly moot point.

Who dat?

I think Logi is not in the know on this. I could be wrong, but his rage about Drysalt seemed sincere.

I thought the same, it'd be a good way of keeping a short lease on a very lethal person in the valley.

So, now that you've had some time to digest, how were the updates?

IF you're a Magnificant Bastard. When we first started this quest I thought it'd be pretty straightforward but you keep revealing twist after glorious twist. You keep dropping bombs just as we get a little comfortable disrupting the status-quo in interesting and wonderful ways.
 
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