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That's also very plausible, yeah. I think the differences between Thanes and the Norse probably also have something to do with it, but the specific conditions of the battle may be even more important, it's true.
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That's also very plausible, yeah. I think the differences between Thanes and the Norse probably also have something to do with it, but the specific conditions of the battle may be even more important, it's true.
It's probably possible to fly above armies if you're confident that you're so strong that most ranged attacks can't hit or hurt you, as a way of showing off before challenging another champion.
Or as a show of daring - flying in the No Man's Land between two battle lines, throwing your own missile or taking a trophy and escaping unscathed from the volley of enemy missiles is almost certainly a heroic feat worthy of song.
But to say these are both "high variance strategies" is to put it mildly.
Or as a show of daring - flying in the No Man's Land between two battle lines, throwing your own missile or taking a trophy and escaping unscathed from the volley of enemy missiles is almost certainly a heroic feat worthy of song.
But to say these are both "high variance strategies" is to put it mildly.
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So in other words the only people who can get away with doing it regularly are Steelfathers or similarly invincible people who can survive everything an army can throw at them.
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We could probably pull it off if we had Slowing-Slog on full burn and a bunch of things to knock Flienns away with, but the minor chance of someone throwing something dumb like an FTB equivalent would still kill us.
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I mean, you're basically dealing with the entire gamut of Norse Ranged attacks, all at once. Someone getting lucky once is basically guaranteed just from how many people are giving it a go.
Narratively, I think there is probably some pressure from the Norns against using Finales to kill narratively significant characters before a fight has properly gotten going. So such an attack might miss, or give us the chance to dodge in a cool way.
There are definitely ways you can use Finales to open a fight - it was okay for example to use it to alpha strike Hal's camp, or break down the castle wall. But I think that's more about shaping the battlefield, effecting morale and killing nooks than hitting other "protagonists", for lack of a better word. So I think using a Finale to cut a breach in an enemy shieldwall would be fine, but not to assassinate an enemy champion. Although the best way to break a gap in the enemy shieldwall with FTB might be to duel an enemy champion, win, finish him with FTB, and have the splashback cut a breach in the enemy shieldwall as they recoil from the morale shock. Feels like the laws of narrative would approve, plus it's good crowd psychology.
Fleins and other similar attacks are definitely cary. I wonder if a Flein hitting our Slowing Slog would switch it off temporarily the same way it can other defensive tricks/Hugareida?
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Depends on context. If the target were raining death down on their army pretty effectively for a turn or two, I think it'd work.
Almost certainly. It's explicitly because they echo a similar weapon's ability to break Baldur's invulnerability that they work as they do and Slowing Slog is more like that than most Tricks. They might even work better against it than they do against other Hugareida defenses...I think we should assume that fleinns both ignore and break Slowing Slog (assuming they actually hit it) until it's proven otherwise.
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it seems like defense piercing effects greatly depend on the type of defense. puncture beats perfect defenses, not any other. Flein pierce through magical defenses trying to block them or deflect them, but not through DR or shields, and you can dodge them. slowing slog only slows an attack, so its likely fine too, but wouldn't gamble Halla's life on it unless we have confirmation from IF or we try it in a safer place as an experiment
we can ask Abjorn to throw fleinn's at us so we try various defenses. maybe we can even get a fleinn hugareia
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This isn't quite right, fleinns were stated to work on all Hugareida defenses but not other stuff. So I'm 99% sure they wreck Slowing Slog, but also pretty sure that something like Reinforce Shield, not being Hugareida-based, would work normally against them.
Once we make ourselves a fleinn we should do some testing, yeah...though I strongly doubt mere testing would give us a hugareida.
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For what it's worth, I think that Steinarr warning us about showboating by flying around is probably more likely to be evidence that this is something young hotheaded Norse would-be-heroes are known to be prone to do, rather than something which is foreign to the Norse way of war. It would be odd to warn us about flying over battles if no one ever did it - we own horses but he didn't tell us not to show up on horseback, because that's a cultural norm.
This quest generally tends to look at risk quite conservatively, like a bank manager considering whether to invest in a business, so naturally we would tend to balk at that sort of thing.
But put yourself in the mindset of a twenty something guy filled with testosterone and wanting to live the Sagas. The kind of young men who in every society are the ones predominantly getting killed in duels, trying to drag race on the motorway, or finding other interesting ways of demonstrating their courage.
Champions trying to fly over the enemy lines is probably a lot more common than you'd think, and I expect Steinarr's warning was based on him having seen the outcome more than once.
This quest generally tends to look at risk quite conservatively, like a bank manager considering whether to invest in a business, so naturally we would tend to balk at that sort of thing.
But put yourself in the mindset of a twenty something guy filled with testosterone and wanting to live the Sagas. The kind of young men who in every society are the ones predominantly getting killed in duels, trying to drag race on the motorway, or finding other interesting ways of demonstrating their courage.
Champions trying to fly over the enemy lines is probably a lot more common than you'd think, and I expect Steinarr's warning was based on him having seen the outcome more than once.
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To be clear, I agree with this entirely. Some of them probably even manage to pull it off and look awesome doing so...the casualty rate is just really high.
And flying while you have ranged attacks, and especially area ranged attacks is also amazing offensively, so even people who die doing this may be a net win for their side of the battle if they do enough damage before going down, so it's not gonna be heavily discouraged on an institutional level.
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It's human nature to look at the success stories, the guy who gets patted on the back every time in the meadhall, and want that, and to look at the warriors who weren't so lucky and go "Couldn't be me, I'm just Built Different", I think.
Combine it with the Norse ability to come back from mortal wounds and keep rolling the dice and you have a recipe for guys to keep pushing their luck until it runs out.
doubt that, yeah. I meant we might get a hugareida in the Blackhand method- getting hit by so many Fleinns over the course of a day.
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I'm going to need someone to roll me a d20, to see how good your luck is this round
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I'll do it
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14, eh? A solid roll, all around.
You've avoided most of the shenanigans going on around you, this round
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I'll also need a some dice rolls for your friends, family, and retainers, please. This is to see how well they're doing
d20+7 for Sten
d20+5 for Abjorn
d20+5 for Vagn
d20+4 for Tryggr
d20+4 for Trausti
d20+3 for Stigmar
d20+2 for Kurt
d20+7 for Sten
d20+5 for Abjorn
d20+5 for Vagn
d20+4 for Tryggr
d20+4 for Trausti
d20+3 for Stigmar
d20+2 for Kurt
Hooray!
Could we get a bird's eye view of the battle from our Flygia? It'd be interesting to know what else is going on. Although I suppose the fact that we can only really see what is happening around us is part of the Authentic Battle Experience.
Oh yeah, I was meaning to ask where the rest of The Squad was? Are our huskarls right behind us or beside us?
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I guess I'll roll for Vagn
EDIT: Well shit. Vagn's luck continues apace.
EDIT: Well shit. Vagn's luck continues apace.