Alectai
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Hrm. Okay.
Did we get anything from finishing off the Frisian book?
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Hrm. Okay.
Did we get anything from finishing off the Frisian book?
I think dorri wants all of his stuff spent on his own Hird? Like... that's why he's paying for it?
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Ah, I misunderstood. Still, we probably don't have the metal for the 30 things mass production anyway, so its still helpful at least to have the numbers
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Holy shit. Well then. Here's the plan for just buying material goods. In quantity.
[] Plan Buy Everything
-[] Give the dwarves 300 Food, 702 Goods (2 of them from us), and 1,502 in Dwarf-Coins (+2,036 Balance)
-[] Receive 21,240 oz Forged Iron (-1770 Balance)
-[] Receive 1,152 oz of various magical metals (192 oz each of Molten, Ripple, Muddy, Icy, Drafty, and Storm Iron) (-192 Balance)
-[] Receive 73 Socket Stones (-73 Balance)
The extra 2 Goods tilt the deal in the dwarves favor very slightly and thus buy us goodwill, that's worth 2 Goods.
@Imperial Fister what does Dorri say when we bring up the potential issues of giving the dwarves too much Food? Is that accounted for in his plans? He'd presumably be the guy to know?
EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, that's 'only' Mail and Mail-Necked Helmets for 72 warriors, plus magical metal weapons for them (with socket stones) and maybe a bit left over. Yeah, that's reasonable.
Ditching the Socket Stones would get three more warriors armored...maybe that's right?
[] Plan Only Iron
-[] Give the dwarves 300 Food, 702 Goods (2 of them from us), and 1,502 in Dwarf-Coins (+2,036 Balance)
-[] Receive 22,116 oz Forged Iron (-1843 Balance)
-[] Receive 1,152 oz of various magical metals (192 oz each of Molten, Ripple, Muddy, Icy, Drafty, and Storm Iron) (-192 Balance)
That'd look like this and equip more like 75 warriors.
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Check. I'll fiddle, I couldn't find the list.
Alectai
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Honestly, I don't think we need to micro this, we can just put in "1,200 oz of Magical Iron" and we'll presumably just acquire a variety. I imagine that Dorri gave us a List of the specific requirements of everyone who's getting something.
I do imagine that the Senior Guys are proabably getting work from Sten, while we're covering for the less senior guys of Dorri's hird and any volunteers. It's still a pretty significant influence on the Valley's battle readiness though.
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Do magic metals do anything impressive with armor?
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That's probably fair. I tried to micromanage it a little to get exact numbers of warriors equipped, but that's probably not necessary per se.
They make you immune or at least resistant to the element, from what we heard. Not usually worth it. The weapon effect is great, though.
Holy shit!
Well, Mission Accomplished in terms of needlebinding clearly being integral to advanced Odr cultivation, but also...
...fuck not something to mess around with. I would have liked to include something along the lines of "obviously start small at first and try to set up some kind of failsafe system", but I guess I'd assumed that wasn't needed. Damn.
That's fine, but would it be possible to give us a more detailed breakdown of Halla's recollections of what she did? Nothing that she wouldn't remember, but it might be helpful to try and isolate what the key thing we did wrong (or right?) was.
Especially because the research action was phrased sorta generally with the intent that we'd try a few different things and see what stuck, it makes it hard to pin down. Were we trying to needlebind our Aspects as if they were strings? Use "thread" made of Orthstirr or Odr.
A very clear visual picture of exactly what Halla did, step by step, would be really helpful here.
Well, Mission Accomplished in terms of needlebinding clearly being integral to advanced Odr cultivation, but also...
...fuck not something to mess around with. I would have liked to include something along the lines of "obviously start small at first and try to set up some kind of failsafe system", but I guess I'd assumed that wasn't needed. Damn.
That's fine, but would it be possible to give us a more detailed breakdown of Halla's recollections of what she did? Nothing that she wouldn't remember, but it might be helpful to try and isolate what the key thing we did wrong (or right?) was.
Especially because the research action was phrased sorta generally with the intent that we'd try a few different things and see what stuck, it makes it hard to pin down. Were we trying to needlebind our Aspects as if they were strings? Use "thread" made of Orthstirr or Odr.
A very clear visual picture of exactly what Halla did, step by step, would be really helpful here.
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This was also my assumption, for the record. My bad for not being more explicit, though it might not have helped.
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Sure!
>Halla sits down to cultivate like normal
>This time, she decides to needlebind her Aspects rather then her normal weaving
>The Gate opens like normal
>Something is forced through the moment the Gate opens, like it'd been waiting
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>Halla wakes up
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Huh. That's...huh. I wish In could add a ? response to that post.
Probably, yeah. But what? And what was the opening provided...just the Gate being open longer than usual?
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Ope, the vote is now open
Alectai
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The fact the Gate wouldn't close, and we couldn't commit our Orthstirr to resisting because it was all tied up.
This does suggest that whatever did it can look into Soulscapes though. Since it never tried when we opened the Gate normally.
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[X] Plan Only Iron
-[X] Give the dwarves 300 Food, 702 Goods (2 of them from us), and 1,502 in Dwarf-Coins (+2,036 Balance)
-[X] Receive 22,116 oz Forged Iron (-1843 Balance)
-[X] Receive 1,152 oz of various magical metals (192 oz each of Molten, Ripple, Muddy, Icy, Drafty, and Storm Iron) (-192 Balance)
I don't think Dorri is looking for Socket Stones, upon reflection. So this. Probably a little fiddly, but should allow for equipping just about 75 people fully.
-[X] Give the dwarves 300 Food, 702 Goods (2 of them from us), and 1,502 in Dwarf-Coins (+2,036 Balance)
-[X] Receive 22,116 oz Forged Iron (-1843 Balance)
-[X] Receive 1,152 oz of various magical metals (192 oz each of Molten, Ripple, Muddy, Icy, Drafty, and Storm Iron) (-192 Balance)
I don't think Dorri is looking for Socket Stones, upon reflection. So this. Probably a little fiddly, but should allow for equipping just about 75 people fully.
Ah, so the "unfortunate combination of events" thing here really was the kicker.
So me and Deadman were probably correct in our belieft that needlebinding our Aspects just makes the "thread" last longer before it dissolves, which is not inherently dangerous...
...unless our Gate being more open gives an opportunity to something which is waiting to jump us on the other side.
Could you provide a bit more detail on what the needlebinding actually comprised of? Was it that we were taking our Aspects, making them into thread and kinda knitting them together, or were we using orthstirr/odr threads like sewing two pieces of fabric together?
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The former
Also, the 'dissolves' thing is something I have no idea how you landed on
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After Discord discussions with Alectai and going over it, I think that's wrong. I think we'd need to manually undo it...which is time consuming. But if there was nothing waiting to bushwhack us it'd be survivable, just annoying and risking taking in more Odr than we can handle while we did it. It won't ever dissolve on its own, it unravels on its own, but needlebinding can't unravel.
Hmm.. did we just accidentally repeated the mistake we did during our first pocket binding by not specifying that were not using the full amount?
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I had thought we wouldn't need to do that given the conditional nature of the action, but maybe. Regardless, the actual problem seems to have been being ambushed more than anything else, we just provided an opening. Which still means no doing that any more any time soon...ambushes are always possible.
I think because that's how I was interpreting it in the first instance where we cultivated:
Looking at it though, the word used is "unravel" rather than "dissolve", although in my defence I will say that both mean the thread deteriorates after a period of time.
Honestly, it's kind of notable and weird that Odr cultivation is like, one of the most important things in the quest, and basically no one as a clear mental image of how it works. Most of the thread I think has not even looked back on the updates where we first did it since they happened, Deadman thought our Frami was setting our other two Aspects on fire and destroying them, I thought for a while that our Aspects were getting woven into a giant net which we put in front of the gate...
Yeah that would make sense. "Unravelling" rather than a more generalised kind of erosion or physical deterioration would imply that knotting or stitching tightly enough would mean they can't unravel naturally.
Perhaps using needlebinding safely requires some kind of a failsafe, like some sort of emergency "cut thread in case of emergency" type thing.
Alectai
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APparently no, the problem was that something wrecked our face when they noticed we weren't able to Close the Gate on command.
Actually, we didn't use any of our Orthstirr at all for the needlebinding, going by Fister's answer. We never even got to experiment with that.
It's more like, uh, rather than loosely braiding three lengths of cord into a rope, we decided to use a more elaborate kind of sailor's knot which is really strong and tight. Except in this analogy the three cords are our Aspects.