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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Mystic Pentagram said:
Unrelated to the current discussion, but now that we know what feeding Odr to an animal does, are we going to feed Odr to Flekkr to make him sapient?
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That's a really good question now that you bring it up. Would that be doing Flekkr a favor, do you think? I'm...less than certain, given age.

Mystic Pentagram said:
Also we need to ask the Seeress to teach us how to unveil other people Fylgja, so we can unveil the ones of our friends and family.
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That's on the list for things to ask Solrun to teach us next turn, yeah. Though it's up to them whether they want it. It's not super expensive...people choose not to have their Fylgjas revealed.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
That's a really good question now that you bring it up. Would that be doing Flekkr a favor, do you think? I'm...less than certain, given age.
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Maybe becoming a Cultivator makes animals live longer? Maybe they don't die until their Fated Day like Norsemen.

Anyway Flekkr is not THAT old, and while having human-like intelligence could become pretty depressing, there is many new things that sapience would allow him to expirience and appreciate.

Is similar to Realizing an item, the spirit is already there and alive, it is just alien to humanity and dosen't share its advantages like Cultivation.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
That's on the list for things to ask Solrun to teach us next turn, yeah.
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Maybe we can offer to unveil the Fylgja of our friends and family at Yule as another gift?

Then again, between that and the custom weapons they might be overwelmed. But showing great generosity for their loyality would do great things for our already good reputation in the Valley.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
Maybe becoming a Cultivator makes animals live longer? Maybe they don't die until their Fated Day like Norsemen.

Anyway Flekkr is not THAT old, and while having human-like intelligence could become pretty depressing, there is many new things that sapience would allow him to expirience and appreciate.

Is similar to Realizing an item, the spirit is already there and alive, it is just alien to humanity and dosen't share its advantages like Cultivation.
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I mean, Flekkr has puppies, among other things...are we gonna commit to awakening all of them? Achieving full sapience while your children do not seems fairly nightmarish. Bjorney didn't seem to have an unfailingly positive view of the process, either.

Mystic Pentagram said:
Maybe we can offer to unveil the Fylgja of our friends and family at Yule as another gift?

Then again, between that and the custom weapons they might be overwelmed. But showing great generosity for their loyality would do great things for our already good reputation in the Valley.
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I'm pretty sure the weapons and armor we're gonna be offering are already wildly generous by all reasonable terms. And, as I edited in above...Fylgja unveiling is not that expensive. People choose not to have it done.
 
does simply unveiling a fylgja have downsides or is it the use of a fylgja by people who havent trained theirs enough that makes it dangerous to do?
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean, Flekkr has puppies, among other things...are we gonna commit to awakening all of them? Achieving full sapience while your children do not seems fairly nightmarish. Bjorney didn't seem to have an unfailingly positive view of the process, either.
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I didn't remeber abaout Flekkr puppies, yeah that could be problematic.

Maybe we should first see how Bjorney adapts and if he has opinions in regard, maybe he will want other Cultivator Animals araound so he can relate to them as peers.

But if in the end we choose to awaken Flekkr then we should do it to all his family, it would be cruel and unfair otherwise.

DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I'm pretty sure the weapons and armor we're gonna be offering are already wildly generous by all reasonable terms. And, as I edited in above...Fylgja unveiling is not that expensive. People choose not to have it done.
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We could offer to do it gratis anyway, if they refuse its their choice.

And i still don't understand why more people don't want their Fylgja unveiled.

Most of the Top Warriors of the Valley have a Fylgja. And there are no drawbacks, if you don't want to expose your Fylgja to danger because it could be harmed you can just not summon it and leave it in the spirit world.

Maybe the process is more expensive than we think and we only got a discount because the Seeress liked Halla and Hallr?
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
No downsides if you never let it manifest physically. But if you ever do that (and everyone does), then it provides a new point of vulnerability for people to target.
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so unveiling is pure upsides but using it in a combat context is hard to do without training it.

Honestly a bit weird that more some people choose not to unveil theirs. Fylgja are really powerfull even outside combat context. the passive benefits of a leveled fylgja can range from pretty good to things to base your strategy around.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
I didn't remeber abaout Flekkr puppies, yeah that could be problematic.

Maybe we should first see how Bjorney adapts and if he has opinions in regard, maybe he will want other Cultivator Animals araound so he can relate to them as peers.

But if in the end we choose to awaken Flekkr then we should do it to all his family, it would be cruel and unfair otherwise.
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Yeah, I'm not saying we definitively don't do it...I'm noting reasons not to do so without considering it.

Mystic Pentagram said:
We could offer to do it gratis anyway, if they refuse its their choice.
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Oh, that's absolutely the intent...I think the fact they may not want it makes it a bad Yule present though. We'll make the offer a bit after that, I think.

Mystic Pentagram said:
And i still don't understand why more people don't want their Fylgja unveiled.
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Making yourself vulnerable is risky, and Fylgjas do that, among other things.

Mystic Pentagram said:
Most of the Top Warriors of the Valley have a Fylgja. And there are no drawbacks, if you don't want to expose your Fylgja to danger because it could be harmed you can just not summon it and leave it in the spirit world.

Maybe the process is more expensive than we think and we only got a discount because the Seeress liked Halla and Hallr?
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Which top warriors have their Fylgja awakened? So far the only one we know for sure is Steinarr. One person does not a pattern make.

fearsome hill said:
so unveiling is pure upsides but using it in a combat context is hard to do without training it.

Honestly a bit weird that more some people choose not to unveil theirs. Fylgja are really powerfull even outside combat context. the passive benefits of a leveled fylgja can range from pretty good to things to base your strategy around.
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I mean, ambushes happen. Even if you just let your Fylgja out to play in the yard you are taking a risk. Not a huge one, but a real one.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Oh, that's absolutely the intent...I think the fact they may not want it makes it a bad Yule present though. We'll make the offer a bit after that, I think.
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Fair i suppose, i just trought that including it in our Yule gifts would have impressed everyone with Halla overwelming generosity.


DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Which top warriors have their Fylgja awakened? So far the only one we know for sure is Steinarr. One person does not a pattern make.
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I remember during the Expedition you made a post abaout the tiers of the warriors present, we noted that the warriors with an unveiled Fylgja were all Middle Tier or above.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
Fair i suppose, i just trought that including it in our Yule gifts would have impressed everyone with Halla overwelming generosity.
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I think our other presents are already gonna tend in that direction. Wondrous items aren't common or cheap.

Mystic Pentagram said:
I remember during the Expedition you made a post abaout the tiers of the warriors present, we noted that the warriors with an unveiled Fylgja were all Middle Tier or above.
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There were only two of them aside from us and Abjorn, and they were both Upper Middle, no higher. I think Fylgja-users probably are higher powered than people who aren't, on average, but they're a minority at even the highest levels from all we've seen.
 
Mystic Pentagram said:
Only that makes unveiling a Fylgja worth it.

So are men knowing Seidr, dosen't make learning Seidr a bad idea.
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I'm not saying unveiling a Fylgja isn't good. I'm saying that's not necessarily super obvious to most people in-universe. The people who have one unveiled are maybe a bit more badass on average, but the ones without still reach the highest levels of power most people see, and Fylgjas have a reputation of foreshadowing your death to boot.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I'm not saying unveiling a Fylgja isn't good. I'm saying that's not necessarily super obvious to most people in-universe. The people who have one unveiled are maybe a bit more badass on average, but the ones without still reach the highest levels of power most people see, and Fylgjas have a reputation of foreshadowing your death to boot.
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When we found our own Sect we should dispell such prejudices, maybe make Fylgja unveiling a rite of passage for initiates.

We could start such a project with our own Huskarls, or is it too soon to plan so much?
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Which top warriors have their Fylgja awakened? So far the only one we know for sure is Steinarr. One person does not a pattern make.
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Framarr Heavyhand likely has his Fylgja unveiled. Likely Logi Firehair, too. Blackhand had his Fylgja unveiled. Hal had his Fylgja unveiled. Silverscales had his Fylgja unveiled.

I also note that while Abjorn and Steinarr both had their Fylgja unveiled, we didn't know Steinarr unveiled his Fylgja for a long time, and perhaps only a handful of people know Abjorn has his Fylgja unveiled.

Fylgja are just terrible for combat use honestly. Indirectly, sure, directly, they're pretty much just an extra target that is unarmoured is all.
 
Shard said:
Framarr Heavyhand likely has his Fylgja unveiled. Likely Logi Firehair, too. Blackhand had his Fylgja unveiled. Hal had his Fylgja unveiled. Silverscales had his Fylgja unveiled.
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To be clear, I was asking about definitive evidence from the Valley specifically, so none of those qualify. My point was that 'all the high level warriors have one' was not a true or public enough statement to get everyone to unveil theirs. I'm not arguing that fylgja unveiling isn't good, I'm arguing it is not publicly and obviously good in the way it would be if it were actually ubiquitous among top warriors.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
To be clear, I was asking about definitive evidence from the Valley specifically, so none of those qualify. My point was that 'all the high level warriors have one' was not a true or public enough statement to get everyone to unveil theirs. I'm not arguing that fylgja unveiling isn't good, I'm arguing it is not publicly and obviously good in the way it would be if it were actually ubiquitous among top warriors.
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We can kind of tell if we just look for 'Fylgja tells' when we go and meet high level people. We know Rank 7 has decent odds of a 'tell'.

Definitive evidence is hard to get when people kind of like hiding their secret tricks though. We don't know what, say, Hugareida Rattlespear has, for example.
 
Shard said:
We can kind of tell if we just look for 'Fylgja tells' when we go and meet high level people. We know Rank 7 has decent odds of a 'tell'.

Definitive evidence is hard to get when people kind of like hiding their secret tricks though. We don't know what, say, Hugareida Rattlespear has, for example.
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Kennings and other things can give those kind of tells as well, though. Like, Logi's Kenning is 'Firehair'...he does not need a Fylgja related reason for his hair to be made of fire. And being a redhead with fire Hugareida is enough reason to have gotten the Kenning in the first place.

And while it says nothing about anyone in particular, I believ IF noted OOC that unveiled Fylgjas are, like, 5-10% of the population at most.
 
Hey Halla/Blackhand:

1) Is your own 'level' of Hamingja something you are aware of and can sense? What about other people's?
2) Do you know how is it that a Norseman's very first mote of Orthstirr is gained?
3) How much Orthstirr did your children get simply for being related to you? How does that reflected glory thing work?
4) Did Bjorney have any Orthstirr you could sense after you fed him Odr?
5) Are you able to 'estimate' how much Orthstirr people generally have, even without any aspect stoking?
 
Shard said:
1) Is your own 'level' of Hamingja something you are aware of and can sense? What about other people's?
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Not really. You can guess based on the things happening around you and others, but it's just one of those things that exist.
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2) Do you know how is it that a Norseman's very first mote of Orthstirr is gained?
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The prestige of your forefathers
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3) How much Orthstirr did your children get simply for being related to you? How does that reflected glory thing work?
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A small fraction, but a fraction nonetheless.
Shard said:
4) Did Bjorney have any Orthstirr you could sense after you fed him Odr?
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Maybe?
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5) Are you able to 'estimate' how much Orthstirr people generally have, even without any aspect stoking?
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No numbers, but somewhat

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Alright, calling the voting in an hour
 
Some things that were talked about on the discord that should be shared here;

Folded attacks generate less narrative weight then if they were unfolded. Thus, they are more easily defended against.

Ranged attacks typically generate less narrative weight then melee attacks. Thus, they are more easily defended against.

You can defend against ranged attacks with ranged attacks, as ranged moves have less weight behind them in both a physical and metaphorical sense.

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Scheduled vote count started by Imperial Fister on Sep 16, 2023 at 7:40 PM, finished with 72 posts and 18 votes.
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Imperial Fister said:
Somethings that were talked about on the discord that should be shared here;

Folded attacks generate less narrative weight then if they were unfolded. Thus, they are more easily defended against.

Ranged attacks typically generate less narrative weight then melee attacks. Thus, they are more easily defended against.

You can defend against ranged attacks with ranged attacks, as ranged moves have less weight behind them in both a physical and metaphorical sense.
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Side notes from that discussion I also think are relevant:

1. Defending against narratively light ranged attacks with your own ranged attacks seems to usually be unrolled (ie: we can just use Kindle Spinners to intercept basic arrow shots without rolling, for example).
2. Sparkbomb counts as a melee attack in terms of narrative weight.
 
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