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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean, the Bold Trait is in fact a distinct, known, thing with distinct effects? So I'm not seeing a contradiction there.

To go into the last time we were warned of ambition (or, at least, the last one I remember):



That's in regards to Folkmarr, but it clearly also indicates that we have it as well. Which means it's either invisible...or it's the Bold Trait. I think the latter, but whatever it is, we definitely have it. Halla probably less extremely than Blackhand, and maybe even less extremely than Folkmarr or our new Skald friend here, but we have it.
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The choice to capitalise the name strongly suggested to me that Ambition's Spark is the proper name of something with its own metaphysical significance, different than just regular ambition. Since we've never seen Blackhand use that name used before, logically we've never encountered it. However, reading that quote, it might be that I'm reading too much into the choice of naming and capitalisation and you're right. It would certainly explain the "eerily familiar" if it's meant to be evoking self-recognition.
 
Bass11 said:
I'm not sure I want to tell them about the Horra fight, since that might get the Horrason's attention again. The Jotun fight since we're screwed either way, but telling them about the Draugr stuff seems like we'll be poking over old wounds.
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Eh. Everyone in the Valley already knows and we can emphasize the current family's innocence when we tell the story, and how Horra turning on even his own family was one of the things that proved his perfidy. They weren't actually completely innocent of everything, but they were of the mess with the Draugr so we can say that much truthfully if we're careful.

Skippy said:
The choice to capitalise the name strongly suggested to me that Ambition's Spark is the proper name of something with its own metaphysical significance, different than just regular ambition. Since we've never seen Blackhand use that name used before, logically we've never encountered it. However, reading that quote, it might be that I'm reading too much into the choice of naming and capitalisation and you're right. It would certainly explain the "eerily familiar" if it's meant to be evoking self-recognition.
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It's possible that Ambition's Spark is the Bold+ Trait. Like, the version that's a step or two past normal. And it's familiar because we may not have quite as extreme a version...but Blackhand did. That seems possible. The description is eerily similar to the one with Folkmarr, so I think the two are related, but this one being more extreme is possible.
 
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[X] Yes, you would!
-[X] "Want to hear the story of the time I threw riddles with a Jotun?"

So Skalds aren't actually locked to only speaking in Saga meter. That would have been completely impossible to communicate in text given, well, English.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Eh. Everyone in the Valley already knows and we can emphasize the current family's innocence when we tell the story, and how Horra turning on even his own family was one of the things that proved his perfidy. They weren't actually completely innocent of everything, but they were of the mess with the Draugr so we can say that much truthfully if we're careful.
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Look, I assume there are probably going to have some ramifications if we tell the story of Horra to the Skald like some knock on effects to the orthstirr gain of Horra's remaining family. Especially since the story of Horra right now is just contained within this valley for the most part. Telling it to a Skald means it won't just be contained to this valley affecting their reputation within the wider Norse lands. Not to mention telling a skald the story of how their dad died without their say so seems like it will stir up the antagonistic feelings between the Horra son's that still hate our family leading to another feud. I rather let the threaded elephant story die and spend more time focusing on the Jotunar's story in more detail since we're screwed either way with that one. Having people know that they are related to Horra and knowing what Horra did will probably adversely affect their reputation in someway.
 
Bass11 said:
Look, I assume there are probably going to have some ramifications if we tell the story of Horra to the Skald like some knock on effects to the orthstirr gain of Horra's remaining family. Especially since the story of Horra right now is just contained within this valley for the most part. Telling it to a Skald means it won't just be contained to this valley affecting their reputation within the wider Norse lands. Not to mention telling a skald the story of how their dad died without their say so seems like it will stir up the antagonistic feelings between the Horra son's that still hate our family leading to another feud. I rather let the threaded elephant story die and spend more time focusing on the Jotunar's story in more detail since we're screwed either way with that one. Having people know that they are related to Horra and knowing what Horra did will probably adversely affect their reputation in someway.
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I mean...I feel like this is already well out of the bag. Everyone in the Valley knows already. But also, we could easily leave Horra's name out of the story entirely. Having the villain nameless actually makes for a better and more dramatic story in some ways.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I mean...I feel like this is already well out of the bag. Everyone in the Valley knows already. But also, we could easily leave Horra's name out of the story entirely. Having the villain nameless actually makes for a better and more dramatic story in some ways.
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I feel like a story told by a skald, is different from a story told by a layperson. It's not what the people in the valley know, it's more what people outside of the valley know. As by telling the skald we're making their lives harder elsewhere, if they decided to leave or have left.
 
[X] Yes, you would!
-[X] "Want to hear the story of the time I threw riddles with a Jotun? Or how we fought a monster stitched together out of body parts and reanimated like a draugr by the nidingr my family has had a feud with?"
-[X] "My kids aren't old enough yet, but I'm considering apprenticeships for them with a Skald, can you tell me something about your craft and do you know any Skalds that would be interested when they are old enough?"
 
Imperial Fister said:
Bjorney yawned as he rose from his food-induced coma.

It's rather curious, the bear thought to himself as he cast his gaze about the room, Food, no matter how delectable, has never tired me before, so what oddities occurred today?

As those thoughts trickled through Bjorney's mind, he suffered a jolt of shock as realization dawned, By Mimir's Beard, I'm thinking! Oh bother... The trouble this will bring.
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Several fascinating implications:

Breakthrough for animals to Sapient is 3 Odr. That's also the same amount of Odr for a Plant Breakthrough from Seed to Sprout.

1) Intelligent animals via Odr have immediate sapience.
2) They automagically know the (Norse?) Language. And to a good degree of sophistication.
3) They also automagically know the Norse Myths.
Imperial Fister said:
Abjorn's orthstirr is clearly out-of-place in your body. Where your orthstirr is dense and tightly packed, his is large and expansive. His orthstirr is relatively slow and pensive, but is ready to dig in and resist all challengers while yours bounces around as if searching for an opening to exploit.

It seems that you can give other people access to your Aspects. You, of course, retain ownership over your Aspects, but they can utilize them as if they were their own.

You get the feeling that bad things will happen if someone uses your Aspects in an act of nid.
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Probably as bad as if we had done the act of Nid ourselves. Though it's possible it might be worse.

Sharing of Orthstirr though obvious risky seems incredibly useful if done right. Abjorn could use one of our stokables to refill all his Orthstirr.

Sharing of Aspects seems like it would be helpful in cultivating Odr, too. If you can add other people's Odr to your own, that's a whole lotta Odr..
Imperial Fister said:
Alloying Puncture and Ignition has an interesting effect. It grants all your Ignition moves Puncture by default with no additional costs, but it means that you can't use Puncture on your other moves.
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This can be extremely useful.

Especially if it works on Martial Styles, and double especially if we can gigastack our Stoker State with a ton of Alloys.
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You and Sten share a grin as you finally can do all sorts of motions without any pinching—though you never did figure out how you were supposed to put it on by yourself...

Regardless, you're just wearing a wooden mock-up at the moment as the real thing would require anywhere from 528 to 880 ounces of iron to make and also several months of dedicated work that you just don't have.
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Now to the actually interesting part - The Magic Bits of Knightly Armor!
 
Shard said:
Sharing of Aspects seems like it would be helpful in cultivating Odr,
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Hmm… what would happen if we got all three aspect's of someone (by them giving them to us) and we sawed them like we do when we open our own gate? Would the odr go to us or them?

I suspect them.

and considering we aren't the ones who are getting the odr shock we could unbind the aspects and close the gate that way.

This might also be a way to get around the fact that only one person (or maybe two) can cultivate as if the owner of the house cultivates for you that's not a problem.

Also, I'm now wondering what will happen if you A) saw your own aspects with someone else's and B) what happens if you saw someone aspects while they do the same to yours?
 
uri said:
Hmm… what would happen if we got all three aspect's of someone (by them giving them to us) and we sawed them like we do when we open our own gate? Would the odr go to us or them?

I suspect them.

and considering we aren't the ones who are getting the odr shock we could unbind the aspects and close the gate that way.

This might also be a way to get around the fact that only one person (or maybe two) can cultivate as if the owner of the house cultivates for you that's not a problem.

Also, I'm now wondering what will happen if you A) saw your own aspects with someone else's and B) what happens if you saw someone aspects while they do the same to yours?
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This all seem very dangerous experiments, if something goes wrong then either Halla or the other person could die.

Maybe is better not trying this with Abjorn or somebody else we care abaout.
 
uri said:
Hmm… what would happen if we got all three aspect's of someone (by them giving them to us) and we sawed them like we do when we open our own gate? Would the odr go to us or them?

I suspect them.

and considering we aren't the ones who are getting the odr shock we could unbind the aspects and close the gate that way.

This might also be a way to get around the fact that only one person (or maybe two) can cultivate as if the owner of the house cultivates for you that's not a problem.

Also, I'm now wondering what will happen if you A) saw your own aspects with someone else's and B) what happens if you saw someone aspects while they do the same to yours?
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I think we would be the one who would be getting the Odr. The Gate being opened would be ours, and the Odr would be poured into our soul.
 
Shard said:
This can be extremely useful.

Especially if it works on Martial Styles, and double especially if we can gigastack our Stoker State with a ton of Alloys.
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I disagree, at least for us personally. With our Orthstirr the cost break here is not even close to worth the loss of versatility. It might be worth it for a lower Orthstirr character.

Shard said:
I think we would be the one who would be getting the Odr. The Gate being opened would be ours, and the Odr would be poured into our soul.
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If so, it isn't very useful. Aspects recover quickly enough that they aren't the barrier to Odr gain.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I disagree, at least for us personally. With our Orthstirr the cost break here is not even close to worth the loss of versatility. It might be worth it for a lower Orthstirr character.
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If we got it to work for Stoker State and Ignition tricks alone that's the majority of tricks we use already. Doubly so if it can apply to Basic Attacks.. That would let us roll over Rebuke.
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
If so, it isn't very useful. Aspects recover quickly enough that they aren't the barrier to Odr gain.
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Mechanically probably add his aspects to our own for purposes of cultivating Odr.

There's probably a couple of methods to give someone else Odr and initiate them though.
 
Shard said:
If we got it to work for Stoker State and Ignition tricks alone that's the majority of tricks we use already. Doubly so if it can apply to Basic Attacks.. That would let us roll over Rebuke.
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It's really not? We use Emberwind and normal Skill-based Tricks as well, decently often even, and will likely be adding Glima and Fang Tricks to that list going forward given our newly acquired skills in that area. But more importantly, this costs a bunch of Alloy slots to save a moderate amount of Orthstirr. That's a bad trade when you have as much Orthstirr as we do given how many other potential uses there are for alloy slots.

You seem to be assuming that Alloying Ignition to Stoker State and Puncture to Stoker State will propagate Puncture over to Ignition, but based on the Standstill/Stoker State Alloy, that's probably false...adding it to Stoker State will not make it apply to Basic Attacks, and so Ignition attacks counting as Basic for Stoker State will in no way actually help get Puncture on them. So we'd need to burn a separate Alloy slot to do Puncture/Ignition if that's even possible (it may well be you can only Alloy Puncture to one thing at a time).

Also, we actually don't know if Puncture works on Rebuke. Rebuke might count as Conditional rather than Perfect since there's such an easy way around it. In fact, I'm like 90% sure that's the case...it's usually irrelevant because the 9 Orthstirr from Puncture will break through most Rebukes anyway just by being Orthstirr, but I suspect the free version won't help at all.

Shard said:
Mechanically probably add his aspects to our own for purposes of cultivating Odr.
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I see absolutely no reason it would do this? I'm pretty sure weaving 6 aspects together would just...not work, and barring that it wouldn't add anything. Like, as soon as you add the third Aspect it starts unraveling, and I doubt messing with the three Aspect balance by adding two of someone else's would result in anything good for either of you.

Shard said:
There's probably a couple of methods to give someone else Odr and initiate them though.
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Probably, yes.
 
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[X] Toboe

Nice! It really does be rewarding to be a good person! :V

for the question, some variation on "What news do you have" or something? So we can get some inkling of whats going on outside of our nooks in the woods?
 
[X] Yes, you would!
-[X] "Want to hear the story of the time I threw riddles with a Jotun?
-[X] "My kids aren't old enough yet, but I'm considering apprenticeships for them with a Skald, can you tell me something about your craft and do you know any Skalds that would be interested when they are old enough?"

Even beside talking about Horra potentially antagonising his family, Halla singlehandedly winning a riddling against a Jotun of all things is far more impressive than her killing draugr and corpse golems along with many others. Like, she saved her community from a Jotun, that's a big deal.
 
Unrelated to the current discussion, but now that we know what feeding Odr to an animal does, are we going to feed Odr to Flekkr to make him sapient?

Also we need to ask the Seeress to teach us how to unveil other people Fylgja, so we can unveil the ones of our friends and family.
 
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