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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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Shard said:
Also thinking about it, summoning out our Fylgja in this situation sounds like a terrible idea in itself anyway. This isn't some slow Threaded Elephant we can aim at then shoot at, it's a thinking intelligent monster. Putting out our basically defenseless Fylgja out to grab out Bomb Boulders is suicidal. There's also AOE concerns I guess.
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You literally suggested the Bomb boulder thing? Also this insistence that everything is suicidal seems counterproductive. If everything we can come up with is suicidal maybe we should just die?

We have like 5 allies in the fight, IAT is not lasting long
 
wrecksalot said:
You literally suggested the Bomb boulder thing? Also this insistence that everything is suicidal seems counterproductive. If everything we can come up with is suicidal maybe we should just die?

We have like 5 allies in the fight, IAT is not lasting long
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I suggested it, doesn't mean that I have to stand by it until the end of days. My opinions on things can change. Which they do. Often.

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Like in general principle if I suggest something, then I later think it's dumb, then I'm going to drop it. Or at least I will try to.
 
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I think the 3Fold IAT instead of the Bomb Boulder is fine and have replaced it...largely due to AoE concerns (it hitting our allies was a risk). We can easily defend the Fylgja for a moment while retrieving the boulder if we need to, but we are in an enclosed area. That's a legitimate issue with the idea.
 
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We might want to draw on Sagaseeker's Orthsirr and our Armor's Orthsirr as well for this. Possibly shove more Orthsirr into IATs too. Remember Sagaseeker has stokeables as well.
Rah13 said:
Have you seen Oppenheimer yet?
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Nope, probably won't because movies (even good ones) are torture for me.
 
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Shard said:
Blackhand must have been bluffing real good against the Hading Witch that she was so sure Blackhand could just murder her easy. Solrun got that impression too. Real scary, Blackhand is.
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I'm picturing Blackhand as being the spirit realm's version of King from One Punch Man. Little or no actual power, but incredible skill at intimidating people and leveraging his reputation (with the difference that Blackhand's reputation in life is richly deserved).
 
I dunno. I think he probably could've done some nasty stuff to the Witch with our Orthstirr...he was definitely exaggerating his capabilities somewhat, but I suspect that, if pushed, he could've 'unlocked' our Born of Fire and gotten us a Fire Hugareida and something like Kindle Spinne pretty rapidly. That wouldn't be enough against a serious combatant, but all evidence is that the Hading Witch wasn't much in a straight fight.

I suspect doing that would've damaged us, but it would've been possible.
 
Aside from probably wanting more Orthsirr on our IATs and Flashfire Cleave both in the event round doesn't break cause this guy probably has a shitton of defence dice, am happy with the plan as is. Gotta hurt him as much as possible if reinforcements are a thing.
 
Shard said:
Aside from probably wanting more Orthsirr on our IATs and Flashfire Cleave both in the event round doesn't break cause this guy probably has a shitton of defence dice, am happy with the plan as is. Gotta hurt him as much as possible if reinforcements are a thing.
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71d6+5 averages over 250. Even Steinarr doesn't roll that high on most of his defenses when facing people at lower power levels, and this thing is both more arrogant than Steinarr and lower powered. It probably can put more into defense than that, but I doubt it has done so this turn.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
71d6+5 averages over 250. Even Steinarr doesn't roll that high on most of his defenses when facing people at lower power levels, and this thing is both more arrogant than Steinarr and lower powered. It probably can put more into defense than that, but I doubt it has done so this turn.
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Even Hooknails when exuding arrogance put a lot of dice into his defences. So I wouldn't be so sure that it would work out like that.
 
Shard said:
Even Hooknails when exuding arrogance put a lot of dice into his defences. So I wouldn't be so sure that it would work out like that.
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Did he? Hooknails had two Guard effects with about 36d6 each in them, and given that he was twice as badass as us then, he was certainly still more powerful then than we are now (we've gained power fairly quickly since the fight with him, but not that quickly). That means he invested maybe as much as 1/2 of his dice and some Orthstirr (or, much more likely, a couple of dice and around 90 Orthstirr) into his defenses. By the standards of our current Combat and Orthstirr pools I wouldn't call that a particularly heavy investment. Like, 10d6 in defenses or something like that and 90 Orthstirr on his Guards is a very light investment compared to what he could do with his likely Orthstirr Pool and other effects.

If the Wolf is two times as badass as Hooknails (meaning it's at least three to five times as badass as we are), invests as much into defense as he did proportionally, and has the ability to set up a Guard-type defense, that'd still only peg its dice pool on defense at about 70, but that's if it has a Guard and is actually twice as scary as Hooknails which seems fairly unlikely in context. If it's 'only' as badass as Hooknails was, then it'd be more like his numbers, and if it doesn't have a Guard it would need to split the same investment over more defenses and be significantly lower even if it is twice as scary in a vacuum.
 
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Shine said:
Beyond 'Chinese high fantasy', what is xianxia?
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It literally means 'immortal heroes', so specifically high powered Chinese fantasy (high fantasy can have other definitions, IME).

But as the term is usually used, it generally also features cultivation (and thus progression) as well, which is to say gradually gaining in supernatural power by some active means. So, 'high powered Chinese progression fantasy' is probably closer to the usual use case.
 
DeadmanwalkingXI said:
Did he? Hooknails had two Guard effects with about 36d6 each in them, and given that he was twice as badass as us then, he was certainly still more powerful then than we are now (we've gained power fairly quickly since the fight with him, but not that quickly). That means he invested maybe as much as 1/2 of his dice and some Orthstirr (or, much more likely, a couple of dice and around 90 Orthstirr) into his defenses. By the standards of our current Combat and Orthstirr pools I wouldn't call that a particularly heavy investment. Like, 10d6 in defenses or something like that and 90 Orthstirr on his Guards is a very light investment compared to what he could do with his likely Orthstirr Pool and other effects.

If the Wolf is two times as badass as Hooknails (meaning it's at least three to five times as badass as we are), invests as much into defense as he did proportionally, and has the ability to set up a Guard-type defense, that'd still only peg its dice pool on defense at about 70, but that's if it has a Guard and is actually twice as scary as Hooknails which seems fairly unlikely in context. If it's 'only' as badass as Hooknails was, then it'd be more like his numbers, and if it doesn't have a Guard it would need to split the same investment over more defenses and be significantly lower even if it is twice as scary in a vacuum.
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I mean. The Wolf is taking on people who are, powerlevel wise, 3 people on our tier (us, Nokkvi, Skoll), 2 people on the tier above (Vagn, Heima) and 1 person two tiers higher (Nain Rotting), and is confident it's going to come out on top. On top of Dorri/Busi were worried about the Wolf. That would suggest a powerlevel at least 9 times as much as ourselves. This should very much be a delaying fight while reinforcements come, not a fight we expect to win, even with everyone behind us.
 
Shard said:
I mean. The Wolf is taking on people who are, powerlevel wise, 3 people on our tier (us, Nokkvi, Skoll), 2 people on the tier above (Vagn, Heima) and 1 person two tiers higher (Nain Rotting), and is confident it's going to come out on top. On top of Dorri/Busi were worried about the Wolf. That would suggest a powerlevel at least 9 times as much as ourselves. This should very much be a delaying fight while reinforcements come, not a fight we expect to win, even with everyone behind us.
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I don't entirely agree. The Wolf is definitely the most powerful individual in the fight here by a fair bit, but I suspect it's underestimating this group of 6 significantly. I could be wrong, and we certainly want backup if we can get it, but this reads to me like the Wolf is in, like, the Peak or Almost Peak category, not above that (above that is Steinarr, and I doubt it's his match). And numbers do matter in something like this, especially if it gets cocky like it has been.

But perhaps more relevantly, I'm pretty sure Hooknails was a scarier guy than I think you're giving him credit for. He was a 3rd Grade Berserk, indicating he's probably at least Upper Top caliber, if not higher. If he's Almost Peak, then twice as strong as him may, in fact, be as strong as Dorri or other Peak people or even stronger (if still within the 'Peak' category). Even if he's 'just' Upper Top, double his prowess is likely into Almost Peak, which is within the power levels the Wolf seems plausibly at.

And the vibe I get for Busi/Dorri being worried is about Fenriskin as a creature type, not necessarily this individual specifically. Like, this one may or may not be a concern for Dorri, but there are definitely Fenriskin who are. This one could be one of them, but the vibe I got was that they didn't actually know that one way or the other.
 
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DeadmanwalkingXI said:
I don't entirely agree. The Wolf is definitely the most powerful individual in the fight here by a fair bit, but I suspect it's underestimating this group of 6 significantly. I could be wrong, and we certainly want backup if we can get it, but this reads to me like the Wolf is in, like, the Peak or Almost Peak category, not above that (above that is Steinarr, and I doubt it's his match). And numbers do matter in something like this, especially if it gets cocky like it has been.

But perhaps more relevantly, I'm pretty sure Hooknails was a scarier guy than I think you're giving him credit for. He was a 3rd Grade Berserk, indicating he's probably at least Upper Top caliber, if not higher. If he's Almost Peak, then twice as strong as him may, in fact, be as strong as Dorri or other Peak people or even stronger (if still within the 'Peak' category). Even if he's 'just' Upper Top, double his prowess is likely into Almost Peak, which is within the power levels the Wolf seems plausibly at.
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Bro, he's an Odr cultivator monster. With a name that basically means 'Ragnarok'. I think you need to respect Big Bad Wolf more. Like, a whole, whole, whole lot more. Like, the powerlevel of people can be read in how dramatic their introductions are - just reread the update to get a feel for his powerlevel! It's very high.

(He's probably stronger than Dorri, but weaker than Steinarr.)
 
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