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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Dr. Snark said:
Re: Ciaran parenthood chat: No I am not pulling a surprise reveal that she was secretly Plagueis'/Sidious'/etc child/clone/what have you. I joke about not having many plans for this but by god I have standards. (Also there's been enough canonized about her parents and whatnot that would make said surprise reveal completely contradict reality itself)
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Joke wise, she's more authentic than Rey, in "from nobody to nightmare" (or shadow, instead of light.) In contrast; I felt Rey... Almost, went that route. Until Disney Palpatine'd her. (Which, to be fair. I feel in/at a stretch, it's a case of Palpatine either Shatterpoint'd, or Sith lied his way into Rey's yearning, for parentual importance. Sort of narrative angst...)

Now. If we ever; get to dunking on "New Legends" (by Luke? If not Old Luke timeline.) A "Rey" whose secretly Ciaren's clone baby, is another matter. And probably something to be decided on, like some Les Infante Terribles project supported, funded and raised by us player base, if dedicated.

That said...
Dr. Snark said:
That's...complicated. Not for any reasons that would offend anyone rather but because of details that I've yet to get into on how exactly Anakin would explain that to other people, and they're ones I'd rather explain in-story than here.

The shorthand version for convenience's sake is to use "him" for the time being. Singular. Mainly because Anakin himself would be the one telling other people that. There is more I wanna say but for now it's (minor) spoilers.
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Honestly, mean term. I'm going to make an... altered lens. On the problem being, we're not stuck with commanding Anakin's chain 'per say'. But more, Anakin's chained to us, sort of deal. At least, under "the problems with friendlier Sith friendship" than a meddlesome/fated Palpatine turned self-loathing enslavement here.

So, at a worst lens; he's our "meddlesome DeeDee" or interloper. Thankfully not 'that' much of a wrecking ball in Intrigue, but still. More someone to guide and mentor with an... Invisible hand, over an iron clad prison. Or failing that, super augment said 'prison' until he's able to be more "Kylo Ren" in life support-ability.

That. And no doubt hoping/*HISH NOISING* to learn how to do proper Force Balance, than being fatalistic in going full Darth. Which ironically, would make him our... Oscar? If I'm making a dab on Dark Souls here, in "doomed protagonist"-dom.
 
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Jack_Trade said:
Yes we'll have to be really careful on how we make use of not just Anakin but also Quinlan Vos, remember the last Jedi we had under our employ ran back to the council the moment they thought they had dirt on us. I doubt these two will be so foolish.

We'll really have to practise some OPSEC on them and hope if they go digging they don't find anything too bad.
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Thank you for reminding me that we have Quinlan Vos in our orbit, he's about as dangerous in his own way. You're also right we're unlikely to get lucky again, both of them will know to look deeper beyond the first or even second layer of criminality.
And to be frank, I suspect that the mystery of the Abyss Watchers and just how far their influence reaches is exactly the sort of thing to grab Vos's inner PI's fascination.

Fortunately Ciaran is a master of intrigue herself so she should be able to reasonably sanitise what they see of the Abyss Watchers, the problem will be when Ciaran can't afford to keep a personal eye on both of them, we'd probably be able to get away with delegating to our Abyss Walkers but of course that comes with the risk of putting some of our best disciples in investigation range.

A dilemma and a challenge indeed as I'm not sure of just how the dice would fall if certain things got out.

Oh gods, we need to keep any references to what we did to Naboo well concealed and also what we did for Gunray.
 
YCG said:
So Vader became a Persona for Anakin.
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Joke wise, he's more an... Oppressive Stand. Or given less; the "official" name, more a calibrated set of Darth armour, that Obi-Wan would certainly discover, instead of oh; "being inducted in the Abyss Watchers, as a Sith Force User." If in doubt. It could~, lead to awkward "what if? WTF Anakin" over Intrigue wars. Or an ironic joke of "better to join a Syndicate for the Truth, over the Sith." ... If, wanting to imagine giving Obi-Wan a... Tempted make over, (Honourary) "Abyssal Watcher" Clothing wise.

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As for if going under a Mirror Verse, over "If Sith were Jedi - and Jedi are Sith" in potential "Abyss Watcher infiltration/guidance" over the (uncorrupted/bigoted) Jedi Order. Then before I make joke under if that were the case; then it'd be less "Mirror verse" Yoda being objectively a Darth. And more...

Imagine the hilarity, if a "Jedi Palpatine" (in secrecy), ended up being suddenly visited with a Mace Windu Light-guns. Only to end up being meddlesome-ly... Invested, by Ciaran herself. Over being a prospective "mirror".
 
Stardust&Scotch said:
Appreciate the info; I'll proceed as such for the time being, then.

Also, while I'm not normally one to hold a person's words from multiple years ago against them (this is a brazen lie, I am 100% That Bitch and always have been)

I do have that Part III finished for you :) You're definitely busy at the moment, but I thought I'd at least provide some linkage for convenience
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I'll at least declare the first +10 in waaaaaaaay too long, and get back to you on the canonicity thing. I'm 90-95% in agreement with Past Me, I just need to make sure of when it'd fit in and stuff.
 
Dr. Snark said:
Re: Ciaran parenthood chat: No I am not pulling a surprise reveal that she was secretly Plagueis'/Sidious'/etc child/clone/what have you. I joke about not having many plans for this but by god I have standards. (Also there's been enough canonized about her parents and whatnot that would make said surprise reveal completely contradict reality itself)
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Ok, but what about a Cousin surprise reveal? Sidious and/or Plagueis were Silas Grandsons all along!!! :V
 
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Fanhunter696 said:
Ok, but what about a Cousin surprise reveal? Sidious and/or Plagueis were Silas Grandsons all along!!!
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I think that'd feel cheap. It feels more well-earned for Ciaran to not have a distinguished bloodline, but got to where she is from her own merits, opportunities, and support from her grandpa.
 
Okay, so, I did try to read through the last six pages but a lot of it was some form of "Yay you're alive!" ([Insert Yay You're Alive here])- and honestly I just wanna ask a really basic question.

Given all the new Star Wars content that has come out since the last update, barring obvious things what stuff might be factored in? Like, Omega would probably exist? Makes me wonder how Boba would react to having a "twin" "sister"...

Also, side thing, I understand Star Wars Visions is like... something, but I'm still curious if it'd have any kind of influence.
 
My general understanding is Yes, and also No.

Yes, if it's fun, if it's cool, if it's funny. We have a Walker that is five teddy bears in a trench coat for Pete's sake!

No if it would pin us into a corner or contradict things that already exist.
 
Dr. Snark said:
Re: Ciaran parenthood chat: No I am not pulling a surprise reveal that she was secretly Plagueis'/Sidious'/etc child/clone/what have you. I joke about not having many plans for this but by god I have standards. (Also there's been enough canonized about her parents and whatnot that would make said surprise reveal completely contradict reality itself)

On another note:



That's...complicated. Not for any reasons that would offend anyone rather but because of details that I've yet to get into on how exactly Anakin would explain that to other people, and they're ones I'd rather explain in-story than here.

The shorthand version for convenience's sake is to use "him" for the time being. Singular. Mainly because Anakin himself would be the one telling other people that. There is more I wanna say but for now it's (minor) spoilers.
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I think the biggest problem with the being Reys mom theory is that Ciaran is possibly even less likely to have a child than Sidious.
She's in a committed relationship with her job and trolling.
 
Dark as Silver said:
I think the biggest problem with the being Reys mom theory is that Ciaran is possibly even less likely to have a child than Sidious.
She's in a committed relationship with her job and trolling.
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Counter point, still going to bet if she does a 'child', it'd be more as a hunch; "Possible Clone backup, that's not needed. So I'm just gonna make her an orphan card, to exploit if I feel like it". Probably not dumped in a sand world if Anakin has anything to say though. Unless she's adopted in a slave-free world?

And another counterpoint, given speculated "Not!Farce Awakens" Timeline. Such a hypothetical would at least? Be "Post Luke (Luka)" era. So there's that as well. Alongside other wonders as "would she be a Sith Jedi, or Force User of the Abyss Walkers?"

Still. I'd bet any possible clone-baby? Would have that "I am your mother" troll card, reserved for the most inappropriate time, if a troll. That viewed said clone less a daughter, more a 'side-project' that wasn't needed, but could be useful anyway~.
 
Master Basher said:
Still. I'd bet any possible clone-baby? Would have that "I am your mother" troll card, reserved for the most inappropriate time, if a troll. That viewed said clone less a daughter, more a 'side-project' that wasn't needed, but could be useful anyway~.
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So… overly complicated nonsense meant to confuse the heck out of her daughter, with Ciaran probably being a tsundere or something about it all- pretending like she doesn't care, but it is also obvious she clearly does if she's putting in so much effort to mess with her daughter.
 
Kkutlord said:
So… overly complicated nonsense meant to confuse the heck out of her daughter, with Ciaran probably being a tsundere or something about it all- pretending like she doesn't care, but it is also obvious she clearly does if she's putting in so much effort to mess with her daughter.
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Honestly, if it ever got to that point. The 'voter base' (of Ciaran's head) would probably be split over two lenses.

A: Treat her as a Daughter. Cue a lifetime being raised in affectionate trolling, games and gambits as by all accounts; "A Shadowbroker's princess". Bar the spoiling, and shenanigans to keep her from being bratty.

B: Be distant, for her own 'protection'. Rig things so she's raised the "Skywalker" way, in a remote farming desert. And when she joins the Abyss watchers, treat her as a competent 'hero' unit, while keeping that "I am your (Grand) Mother" card for the appropiate, trolling moment.

Regardless. If it ever becomes a Rey of a thing. There's one potential thorn of a threat one must be aware of, and protect our hypothetical 'daughter' from. More than your if stars align, the "Luke/Leia" or Han Solo saga. And that's...

Well, not Kylo Ren. But more fun times with "stupid sexy Sith force wielders", if not Jedi.
 
Master Basher said:
Well, not Kylo Ren. But more fun times with "stupid sexy Sith force wielders", if not Jedi.
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Ciaran: "No, I don't care that he's hot, he's bad for you."
[Insert Name]: "You just don't understand, I can fix him!"

Hmm… wasn't my objective going in… honestly I didn't mind the Sequel Trilogy in and of itself, but I do feel like it was trying too hard to mimic the Original Trilogy. Also I was legit hoping it would of ended with "Let the Jedi and Sith ways die", since both seem like toxic mindsets in their own way what with their strict rejection of the Dark/Light Side respectively. I thought it would of been cool if a new order, one that embraced both the Light and the Dark rose.
 
I'd make a "The Return of the King" joke, but I'm sure it's already been done better than I could have. It's great to see this going again.
 
Heeeeeey, just a heads up, but Ani's been properly statted up in case anyone wants to check. As I have said previously: OP. Do be sure to look closely to make sure you don't miss anything.

Narratively it makes sense, but also consider it to be a "welcome back" present as it were~

Edit: Right, while my brain's on it: The Force Bond with Ciaran will be a thing reflected statistically, due to it's nature I'm still hammering out the details. Just wanted to give you guys an idea of what you were working with.
 
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Yeah after reading all that, we're gonna have to be very careful on how we use Ani. I would rather he not consider us an enemy after Sheev has been dealt with.
 
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