Right- so Palpatine is now making counter moves, though short changing the Separatists is interesting. I do wonder if he has given up on Anikan at this point. Also Barriss as his new apprentice... well time to accelerate our buildup. Though I do wonder if Palpatine ever leaves Coruscant? He did OTL to reign in Maul and Savage.
 
I did always kinda wonder why nothing was done with Barris later in canon. Welp, looks like Palpatine isn't making that mistake this time. He's lost a lot of his support, but he's great at finding new people/groups to use too, and I'm worried about how he's moving to take out the Sepratists. While we do kinda want them gone, once the war ends we'll be driving kinda blind (also if the war ends it'll be because Palpatine either achieved all his goals or he's just mad enough to flip the table and try to make the galaxy burn with him). We may have to make a true strike against him soon.
 
This is a problem. We dont want Palpy to be the one who dictates the end of the war because that'd be surrendering the initiative to him, and giving him the opportunity to consolidate his forces while the Abyss Watchers and the Army of Light scramble to respond.

We can't allow that, but it's a good thing that Dooku is on our side because this gives us the chance to act first.

Also, godamit Barriss, I liked you more when you weren't drinking all the dark side kool aid.
 
IIRC part of what was delaying us in striking was our preparations to deal with Sidious' contingencies and the beginnings of his New Order in order to prevent him from table flipping the entire structure of the Republic on his way out.

I think the idea was to basically assassinate him while other assets pull out the long knives for others in the system. I'd assume the Abyss Walkers not directly useful for taking on Palpatine would be leading that part of the operation.
 
Yep. Definitely Barriss.
In the best case scenario, we could... Turn her betrayal, into a tool to make the surviving Jedi Council; bow before their Shadow Overlord. Or, more benevolent hand than an... insidious backup plan.
This is a problem. We dont want Palpy to be the one who dictates the end of the war because that'd be surrendering the initiative to him, and giving him the opportunity to consolidate his forces while the Abyss Watchers and the Army of Light scramble to respond.

We can't allow that, but it's a good thing that Dooku is on our side because this gives us the chance to act first.

Also, godamit Barriss, I liked you more when you weren't drinking all the dark side kool aid.
There's just one easy solution to it all;

Nudge send Obi-Wan to dismember her to death. While politely advising he ensures her body is melted, instead of ignored/backwalked. Don't want a hissing corpse, to go "Now I am the Master" on him, do we? (especially if it'd steal Anakin's thunder.)
 
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There's just one easy solution to it all;

Nudge send Obi-Wan to dismember her to death. While politely advising he ensures her body is melted, instead of ignored/backwalked. Don't want a hissing corpse, to go "Now I am the Master" on him, do we? (especially if it'd steal Anakin's thunder.)
From that perspective the best would be to send Anakin. Not even that much convincing needed because he put himself under our command.

"Oh, so you're Palpatine's newest apprentice, uh? So you say you're a Lord of the Sith, a master of the dark side, uh? Girl, let me show you what one of those really looks like."

And then we hear The Breathing.
(Capitalized so we don't confuse it with any other mundane ways of pushing air in and out of your lungs)
 
From that perspective the best would be to send Anakin. Not even that much convincing needed because he put himself under our command.

"Oh, so you're Palpatine's newest apprentice, uh? So you say you're a Lord of the Sith, a master of the dark side, uh? Girl, let me show you what one of those really looks like."
Joke wise, even if we suspect-and-know? It'd probably lead to hypothetical Palpatine figuring out in detail.

Then again, he might suspect we're a "Major" enough player he's preparing his own "Anti-Ciaran" report right about now. Mentally, personally, "hoping to check mate" us before we press Zat Button.

Of which...
And then we hear The Breathing.
(Capitalized so we don't confuse it with any other mundane ways of pushing air in and out of your lungs)
And no doubt, "easy" case scenario; Anakin could easily choke her to death.

Worser case would be 'how to do it, while pointing a jagged message of Jedi divided, over their enemies being from within'? ... Without, rocking our boat over lost assets-or-worse, turned enemies. But by that point...

"Slaughter an Academy of Jedi Children?" > "What if Anakin just so happened to intervene/derail that butchering instead?" Obi-Wan would be proud, clearly...
 
Ciaran: "No, I don't care that he's hot, he's bad for you."
[Insert Name]: "You just don't understand, I can fix him!"

Hmm… wasn't my objective going in… honestly I didn't mind the Sequel Trilogy in and of itself, but I do feel like it was trying too hard to mimic the Original Trilogy. Also I was legit hoping it would of ended with "Let the Jedi and Sith ways die", since both seem like toxic mindsets in their own way what with their strict rejection of the Dark/Light Side respectively. I thought it would of been cool if a new order, one that embraced both the Light and the Dark rose.
It's no good at all to romanticise the Dark Side, nor is it good to unfairly denigrate the Light Side to bolster the legitimacy of the evil side of the Force. There were problems with the Jedi, but their rejection of evil wasn't one of them. An order that's half devoted to curing blind puppies and half devoted to burning down orphanages wouldn't be as cool as you think.
 
It's no good at all to romanticise the Dark Side, nor is it good to unfairly denigrate the Light Side to bolster the legitimacy of the evil side of the Force. There were problems with the Jedi, but their rejection of evil wasn't one of them. An order that's half devoted to curing blind puppies and half devoted to burning down orphanages wouldn't be as cool as you think.

I thought the Dark Side wasn't "mwahaha we're evil" and more "this is the pure passion half- so, ya know, lots of irrational emotion-based decision making." Like, I definitely thought it was more "The Dark Side isn't bad, it just has mostly bad wielders." Makes me think of Kingdom Hearts, where DARKNESS isn't inherently evil it just has far more people wildly misusing it.
 
It's no good at all to romanticise the Dark Side, nor is it good to unfairly denigrate the Light Side to bolster the legitimacy of the evil side of the Force. There were problems with the Jedi, but their rejection of evil wasn't one of them. An order that's half devoted to curing blind puppies and half devoted to burning down orphanages wouldn't be as cool as you think.
As we've been a Sith for god knows how long, nah!
 
I thought the Dark Side wasn't "mwahaha we're evil" and more "this is the pure passion half- so, ya know, lots of irrational emotion-based decision making." Like, I definitely thought it was more "The Dark Side isn't bad, it just has mostly bad wielders." Makes me think of Kingdom Hearts, where DARKNESS isn't inherently evil it just has far more people wildly misusing it.
Nope, it is in fact "mwahaha we're evil", not just irrationality and passion being used by people who happen to be evil. The misinterpretation comes from people who saw the word "passion" in the Sith code and used it as an excuse to wildly distort what the Dark Side's about to justify liking it, or to justify one's dedication to the golden mean fallacy. The "passion" there is talking about anger, hate, lust for power, etc., specifically in the context of destruction and domination. The Dark Side is about evil, not about general passion. The Dark Side will not help you get better at graphic design.
 
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The nature of the Dark Side is complex and varies from author to author.

At best, like radioactive substances, it can be used cautiously and sparingly to great effect without dramatically altering or imperiling its user.

At worst, it is inherently corrosive, corruptive, and damaging and there is no minimum safe distance or maximum safe dosage.

Everyone agrees that the dark within can change you over time and cause you to lose your way.
 
The nature of the Dark Side is complex and varies from author to author.

At best, like radioactive substances, it can be used cautiously and sparingly to great effect without dramatically altering or imperiling its user.

At worst, it is inherently corrosive, corruptive, and damaging and there is no minimum safe distance or maximum safe dosage.

Everyone agrees that the dark within can change you over time and cause you to lose your way.

By this point, aren't we as a society kind of bored by "Darkness is pure evil, Light is pure good"? If Disney of all people have shaken off the notion Darkness is inescapably pure evil, then why would Star Wars keep clinging to the notion the Dark Side is purely evil incarnate?

I thought the Light and Dark Sides were specifically not actually Good & Evil, just the things people naturally gravitate towards and Evil people are hardly the reasonable types to begin with.
 
By this point, aren't we as a society kind of bored by "Darkness is pure evil, Light is pure good"? If Disney of all people have shaken off the notion Darkness is inescapably pure evil, then why would Star Wars keep clinging to the notion the Dark Side is purely evil incarnate?

I thought the Light and Dark Sides were specifically not actually Good & Evil, just the things people naturally gravitate towards and Evil people are hardly the reasonable types to begin with.
No, we as a society are not bored by darkness being linked to evil and light to good. Though there are several kinds of media where that dichotomy is blurred, discarded, inverted, etc., it still has its place in several other kinds of media, of which Star Wars is one of them.

When you thought the Light and Dark Sides didn't correspond to good and evil, you were incorrect. That's all.
 
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No, we as a society are not bored by darkness being linked to evil and light to good. Though there are several kinds of media where that dichotomy is blurred, discarded, inverted, etc., it still has its place in several other kinds of media, of which Star Wars is one of them.

When you thought the Light and Dark Sides didn't correspond to good and evil, you were incorrect. That's all.
But it doesnt have too, yes the vast majority of Sith are mwhahahaha evil, their can be exceptions. Ciaran, Vectivus and Assajj for example.

Just going Darkside bad is far to boring.
 
But it doesnt have too, yes the vast majority of Sith are mwhahahaha evil, their can be exceptions. Ciaran, Vectivus and Assajj for example.

Just going Darkside bad is far to boring.
When the vast majority of Dark Siders are very evil and a tiny exception are, at best, sort of evil, it's completely silly to say the Dark Side isn't evil.
 
When the vast majority of Dark Siders are very evil and a tiny exception are, at best, sort of evil, it's completely silly to say the Dark Side isn't evil.
I said it doesnt have to be. If the right training is put into place Darkside users can be perfectly functional sociopaths who practice enlightened self-interest.

Your just putting a blanket all darkside users as mwhahaha evil.
 
When the vast majority of Dark Siders are very evil and a tiny exception are, at best, sort of evil, it's completely silly to say the Dark Side isn't evil.

???

I don't even know how to respond to this, I just know this isn't really fun anymore- I don't get why you're so convinced the Dark Side is just "purest evil" with only a few utter flukes, when the more likely thing is that most Dark Siders are the type who clearly wouldn't care so long as they get Power- that and/or they're the type who'd lose sight of what they meant to do because their own carelessness/impulsiveness.

Really, things would of went far better if Anakin didn't go "as a soon to be father afraid my total babe gf is gonna die doing so, the first slightly reasonable solution is all I need."
 
The nature of the Dark Side is complex and varies from author to author.

At best, like radioactive substances, it can be used cautiously and sparingly to great effect without dramatically altering or imperiling its user.

At worst, it is inherently corrosive, corruptive, and damaging and there is no minimum safe distance or maximum safe dosage.

Everyone agrees that the dark within can change you over time and cause you to lose your way.
...that might just be my favourite way that's ever been put, well done. That's definitely going to influence the way I write/conceive of things in the future.
The Dark Side will not help you get better at graphic design.
Challenge accepted.
 
I mean, he's convinced because the utterly overwhelming majority of Star Wars media portrays things in a deliberately black and white manner, including all of the movies, cartoons and shows over multiple decades. You can have the Dark Side be not evil in your story, but that is a deliberately AU element that you changed. At best, you've magnified something argued in by a few characters in KOTOR 2 and TOR, and a philosophy the NJO briefly adopted before deciding it was a Sith trap.
 
Right then, I can see exactly where this is all going and I'm not exactly wild about it. Please shelve this argument or have it somewhere else, because it's one I've seen plenty of times before and it's equally as annoying to have to put up with every time.
 
I have just reread the entire quest.

Holy fuck it is good to be back.

Also: You have gained another Omake Writer @Dr. Snark

Can I bring Aggruva into this? Just for the comedy sake of the Librarian being so behind on whats going on after a long vacation in the Artifact hunting business.
 
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