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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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You're aware that Ciaran is mostly non-human right?
That'd be like a Slav with one German grandparent being ok with Nazi occupation.
Not to mention that I think most of her investments and political base is with non-human interests.
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Huh, that would be an interesting direction to take.
Rather than going after then crusade style, we make it much more profitable to be legitimate businesspeople, then watch as people convert or erupt into civil war.
This is popular in fanon, since it facilitates the shipping, but let's face it, most canon is against it, and for the idea that the main Jedi order is made of monks.
And in most humans, having sex causes instinctual attachment. Since, you know, the body thinks it just made a baby so the brain gets flooded with hormones telling it to settle for whoever they wake up with in the morning because that might be mom/dad to their new sprog.
Note I say MOST humans, so don't think you're some sort of mutant freak if you don't react this way to sex - it's just that you are one of the somewhat unusual people whose biology is best adapted to one of the alternate mating strategies the human species uses.
Yeah, I can't see the CNS staying together after Palpatine is dealt with. There's a fundamental difference in motivation between loyal systems that oppose the war and disloyal systems that oppose the war.
I think it would be quite fun to have Ciaran be revealed as the leader of a Sith-y Force sect at the end of the Palpatine arc, making the next arc a sort of cold war between Ciaran, allied force sects and the Jedi (who, let's remember, are still powerful enough that even Palps is wary of them and attracting too much of their attention). Much like the cold war after WW2, the Jedi and Abyss Walkers could agree that neither was evil like Palps, but that doesn't necessarily mean sweetness and light.
(Also, for the people who inevitably say "but the Jedi are stupid and weak", I categorically disagree - or at least, they aren't if you accept Star Wars internal logic. Ciaran may think that the Jedi are stupid and weak, but I think she's actually wrong to do so and that if the goal was actually to be a good guy and save the Galaxy, Ciaran shouldn't be messing around but instead go directly to Mace Windu and Yoda and present her evidence against Palps and then let them murder him in the face with light sabres - remember that in the last prequel, the Jedi find out about Palps JUST too late and he's able to neutralize their threat before they can all coordinate - for example allowing him to fight Mace and Yoda separately while most Jedi are off Coruscant leading clone armies.)
TL;DR, the Jedi would be powerful enough to be the boss fight after Palps is crushed.
fasquardon
We might see Hutt's that are similar to...let's say, Al Capone, were, yes, they're total jerks and do illegal stuff, but they do legit business as cover.
Then we might see 'Yakusa' style ones, were they fight only other gangs and don't deal in slaves, kidnapping, drug smuggling or gun running because they know everyone watches (heh) for that, so instead they provide 'cheap' labor forces, dabble in construction, industry and the adult entertainment sectors.
Of course, you then get inter family conflicts, because each Hutt family thinks that it is their way that's best or something.
The reason we're not doing that is largely because killing Palpatine isn't the issue - it's killing him without setting off a whole crapton of problems set up by Sid. Just stabbing him through the face just kills his current body and gets him out of the position of Chancellor; he has fallback plans and positions that we don't yet know all the details of.
We're trying to finagle things so Sid gets stabbed with something a little more definitely fatal to a Sith than a lightsaber blade, without Order 66 (and other contingency orders) being effectively carried out posthumously.
Nope, George Lucas himself turned round in a interview and expressly said they're allowed to have children, as long as they're willing to hand over the children to the Jedi Order and vow to never get involved with them.
He said it's because there aren't actually that many Force Sensitive Children born -outside- of the Order to actually support any one Jedi Enclave.
In other words there aren't enough babies that get snatched from their parents outside of the Jedi Order to counter old age, loss to the Dark Side or natural causes or accidents.
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This matter has already been discussed in the quest.
Lucas literally said in this interview that the Jedi are not celibate.
Interview was unnecessary. Episode 3 proves the same.
Unless Padme cheated on Anakin with a non-Jedi, I suppose.
Horrible thought: Obi-Wan is Luke and Leia's father. Because of his Jedi upbringing he does not understand that fucking his 'brother's' wife is bad. Lack of attachment does not proper family values instill. Anakin hating him makes quite a bit of sense if this is the case.
Actually....Im pretty sure that some of Anakin's lines in EPIII implied that Anakin believed that Obi Wan was doing it with Padme and ripped into Obi Wan about it.
Obi Wan actually says something like "That's further proof that you've been manipulated! I would never do something like that!"
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Man, you are reading way too deeply, applying Occam´s Razor, this can be simply explained as the result of Lucas being a horrible screenwriter...
Take a look at the scene we are discussing
And now compare it with the infamous "Are you an Angel?"
The absolute awkwardness of Anakin trying to seduce Padme
And the worst contender, the infamous "I don´t like sand"
Are you seeing the pattern?
Star Wars fans love to criticise Hayden Christensen performance as Anakin, but to his credit, with a screenplay so bad, not even the fucking Marlon Brando could have saved the character of Anakin from sucking...
Well, it's nice to see George Lucas again doing his best to make even inexperienced fanfic writers look good with his skillful writing and his keen understanding of human nature. I am, unfortunately, unsurprised.
And we're giving him more time to invest in fallback plans.
The supposition that his fallbacks are worse than leaving him as Chancellor of the Republic is weak and the idea that he'd somehow not be disadvantaged by having his main enemies actively interfering in his plans is... Yeah, the only reason to not sic the Jedi on him is because Ciaran wants to own the Galaxy and Palps causing chaos and destruction actually helps her do that in the medium term.
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And we're giving him more time to invest in fallback plans.
The supposition that his fallbacks are worse than leaving him as Chancellor of the Republic is weak and the idea that he'd somehow not be disadvantaged by having his main enemies actively interfering in his plans is... Yeah, the only reason to not sic the Jedi on him is because Ciaran wants to own the Galaxy and Palps causing chaos and destruction actually helps her do that in the medium term.
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And stabbing him to death with something permanently fatal is easier if he hasn't gone to ground somewhere we don't know about.
Actually that was part of the Jedi plan. They knew that the Sith Lord was a member of the Senate, they knew that the Sith had access to the Chancellor and they thought that with Dooku dead the Sith would have to act before the Separatists collapsed from an internal power struggle.
So most of the Jedi Council left Coruscant for far off battlefields in the Outer Rim to make the Sith confident and draw them out of hiding. Anakin was essentially bait as a tempting target for the Sith to corrupt, as though he wasn't the model Jedi, they believed that when the time came he'd stand with the Order.
For the most part it worked. However, two unknown factors derailed their plan. Anakin's relationship with Padme and Order 66. Not to mention they had to keep the plan from Anakin as his friendship with Palpatine meant that Anakin couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut (see The Kenboi Spy Arc in which Anakin told him about them letting a disguised Obi-Wan go and Palpatine covering for him with the Council to avenge his master).
It's a mixture of greed and not trusting anyone seen to do the job correctly (Kreia Philosophy: the only power you can ultimately rely on is your own).
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The thing is, whilst we're getting stronger and Palpatine is getting stronger, we're specifically focusing on growing our support base and bringing down Palpatine. Palpatine on the other hand has to spread his energy and efforts towards securing political control, making the Republic stronger without winning, making the Separatists remain centralised under Sith control so he can use it as a fallback if the war goes badly, prevent the CNS from growing too influential, and (most importantly to him) weaken the Jedi enough that he can take them down when the time comes.
If we were actually on parity (at least) then attacking now in order to spare the galaxy his attentions would be good, but for now we need to let everyone else do their part keeping him occupied whilst we maneuver our dagger behind his back. Enlisting the Jedi MIGHT bring us to the needed strength, but if it didn't we'd have no way to stop the Jedi jumping the gun-in which case not only would Palpatine's counterstroke wipe out the Jedi anyway, but he could then begin tailoring his efforts to take out the newly revealed threat to his position.
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Entirely unrelated to the current line of discussion (but awesome):
Abyss Walker Lightsaber Training Tool?
Abyss Walker Lightsaber Training Tool?
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that looks awkward, and also like a horrible combat tool.
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Probably if we decrese game aspect and ramp up dificulty but, I can see us seling it as is to arcades. (Jedi copyright claim? That would be funny.)
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Your problem is that you are assuming the Jedi are -Christian- monk based.
They aren't.
They are closer to Buddism, were getting married and having children with one person and that person only is -not- encouraged.
It's why roughly 50% of Japanese Husbands in Japan cheat on their wives.
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And here I thought it was the soul-crushing weight of life as a salaryman and a rigid set of social obligations that encourage marriages that eventually break down to a "staying together for the kids" state.
Guess you learn something new every day.
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Its like fruit ninja/guitar hero on the oculus rift?
He did say it covered 50% of the reason. Your cover the other half.
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He said it was the reason that roughly 50% of Japanese Husbands in Japan cheat on their wives, not that it was roughly 50% of the reason Japanese Husbands in Japan cheat on their wives. Or indeed that it was any amount of the reason why any proportion of Japanese Husbands in Japan cheat on their wives roughly.
Ain't the English language grand?
Western misunderstandings of the various Buddhist schools aside...
There are specific and predominantly Buddhist cultures with specific features that have given rise to this sort of myth, but that's about as as representative of wider Buddhist sexual mores as Taureg modesty traditions are of wider Muslim modesty traditions or American chastity rings are representative of how most Christians deal with being horny teenagers.
EDIT: If you look at what the Buddha actually says, sexual desire, sex and sexual pleasure are specifically mentioned as things that cause spiritual suffering. Where it differs from Christianity is that sexual desire and sexual pleasure are not seen as any greater a cause of suffering than any other way of straying from the path. So all the major Buddhist monastic orders embrace celibacy, but not with the heavy emphasis that certain Christian monastic groups did.
Comparing with other religious traditions Buddhism is actually remarkably down on the whole sex thing, so far as I am aware, they only come out ahead of the Christians and the Manicheans. Of course, since we live in a Christian society, Buddhism seems much more liberal. This is true in a relative sense, but not an absolute sense.
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