May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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[X] Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space
Killerflood
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[X] Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space
I am really iffy on how expensive everything is ... The normal actions and the hero decisions are OK but the base tune ups that cost a bunch AND increase our upkeep is dangerous and is liable to shoot ourselves in the foot.
I am really iffy on how expensive everything is ... The normal actions and the hero decisions are OK but the base tune ups that cost a bunch AND increase our upkeep is dangerous and is liable to shoot ourselves in the foot.
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[X] Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space
I think you copied the wrong thing here.
I think you copied the wrong thing here.
Balance Sheet for: Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space
Current Treasury: 854 Credits
One-Off Costs: 50+50+100+100+100+75+100+150+50 = 775
One-Off Rewards: (?)+(?)+(?)* = ?
Current Upkeep: 1020
Additional Upkeep: 50+50-40+50=110
Current Income: 1461**
Additional Income: 25+114*** = 139
Total Expenses: 1905
Total Income: 1600 (+loot)
Difference: -305
Next Turn's Balance: 549 Credits
* Unknown 'loot drops' from 'Walking the Beat' (CNS) and our two 'Eclipsing the Black Sun' actions.
**Base income listed as 1860. 'Trade'/'Investment' income penalized at -35%. Current per-turn income is 1461.
***Guaranteed success w/ Rotta gives trade lane access with the Hutts. If this reduces our income penalty by 10%, that gives 114 credits per turn. (A bigger penalty reduction is probable, given that the Hutt trade lanes are well-established and very secure, not to mention our 55% chance of a critical success).
Given how expense our base upgrades are this turn, I've tentatively droppped the Naboo Mansion purchase and the Beskar Iron Mine upgrade. I may be willing to put one or the other back in (persuade me!) but our end-of-turn balance is looking pretty low at the moment. On the other hand, we do have 3 'loot drop' opportunities, and the Hutt trade lanes may well give more than 10% penalty reduction.
Current Treasury: 854 Credits
One-Off Costs: 50+50+100+100+100+75+100+150+50 = 775
One-Off Rewards: (?)+(?)+(?)* = ?
Current Upkeep: 1020
Additional Upkeep: 50+50-40+50=110
Current Income: 1461**
Additional Income: 25+114*** = 139
Total Expenses: 1905
Total Income: 1600 (+loot)
Difference: -305
Next Turn's Balance: 549 Credits
* Unknown 'loot drops' from 'Walking the Beat' (CNS) and our two 'Eclipsing the Black Sun' actions.
**Base income listed as 1860. 'Trade'/'Investment' income penalized at -35%. Current per-turn income is 1461.
***Guaranteed success w/ Rotta gives trade lane access with the Hutts. If this reduces our income penalty by 10%, that gives 114 credits per turn. (A bigger penalty reduction is probable, given that the Hutt trade lanes are well-established and very secure, not to mention our 55% chance of a critical success).
Given how expense our base upgrades are this turn, I've tentatively droppped the Naboo Mansion purchase and the Beskar Iron Mine upgrade. I may be willing to put one or the other back in (persuade me!) but our end-of-turn balance is looking pretty low at the moment. On the other hand, we do have 3 'loot drop' opportunities, and the Hutt trade lanes may well give more than 10% penalty reduction.
Night_stalker
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[X] Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space
If nothing else, Nabooian mansion allows for more pestering of Padme.
If nothing else, Nabooian mansion allows for more pestering of Padme.
I just finished the Balance Sheet, and you're right. I've removed the Naboo mansion and beskar mines, though I may be persuaded to put one back in, or put both back in and remove the Lordran system defenses instead.
Nice catch; it's been fixed.
Sadly, the Naboo mansion was one of the things I removed once I tallied our income/expenses. I may be willing to compromise and put it back in if enough people feel strongly about it though.
Stealthy
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Thrawn training with Jango is really appealing but we should pull him off that and throw him as a Hero Support for The Silent Route for Black Eclipse. Fact is, killing the Black Eclipse is more important, if less sexy, than Mandalorian Thrawn. Moreso because Jango will still be around next turn, and after we check out Boba, may be more amenable to training Thrawn after that. Give Cheriss a new body or PR-1 an upgrade instead. Cheriss isn't actually needed for a Lore Boost, it's just the only other thing we can do with her.
Alternately, put off Survival Training and throw our whopping +40 modifier on Black Eclipse. We want to crush these people.
Absolutely do not add the Naboo mansion. We're dropping a boatload of cash already with that plan. Honestly, may wanna dump the defenses on Kiln, given that Kiln is also very well hidden, what with being in the unknown parts of space.
Alternately, put off Survival Training and throw our whopping +40 modifier on Black Eclipse. We want to crush these people.
Absolutely do not add the Naboo mansion. We're dropping a boatload of cash already with that plan. Honestly, may wanna dump the defenses on Kiln, given that Kiln is also very well hidden, what with being in the unknown parts of space.
I think Thrawn's hero action is actually more urgent than the rest. We have an excuse this turn while we're taking care of Boba, but once that's done, Jango might just go his merry way and no longer be available for Thrawn's 'training'. Remember Snark's clarification:
We can always upgrade PR-1 or Cheriss. But, while Jango may feel grateful for our medical exam, I'm not sure gratitude would be a natural emotion for him, especially since we are just paying him off for silence. Best to get it done ASAP.
This is definitely appealing. I'd really like others to chip in on this decision -- survival training could be vital in the future, but removing the Black Sun is a short-term priority. Swapping the 'training' for 'Personal Attention' on Black Sun (silent option) would give us >100% chance of success, and a whopping 55% chance of a critical success. That's pretty appealing....
I'm actually giving serious consideration to re-adding the Naboo mansion, precisely because we're dropping a boatload of cash. It strikes me as potentially similar to our Dantooine mansion that become a Luxus-Resort for a bunch of credits per turn. A Naboo resort might be a low-cost shot in the arm for our Income, besides its use for working with Padme.
I do agree with you, though, that the Kiln defenses don't seem particularly necessary this turn, though it's an absolute guarantee against intrusion. Might be more worthwhile to drop that and re-add Naboo or the beskar mines. I'd really prefer to get others' feedback before I make that call, though.
Killerflood
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I would prefer we keep survival training. It's a stat boost which is, as you said, a long term bonus and we're already kicking the Black Sun in via the Marshal Action.
Naboo is a ehhh ... You know me well enough to know my own paranoia so I would prefer to stick with the defenses. We could always pick Naboo back up later. We still have a couple of years and these turns are a ?(1/3)? a year each.
Naboo is a ehhh ... You know me well enough to know my own paranoia so I would prefer to stick with the defenses. We could always pick Naboo back up later. We still have a couple of years and these turns are a ?(1/3)? a year each.
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I personally feel that we should train while we can. I understand the personal attention bonus is amazing, but we always put off improving ourselves. Now would be a good time, with that potential assassination coming.
I think we should get them set up when we can, but I'm always kinda paranoid about these things.
Stealthy
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We really don't need a martial stat boost when we have four Heroes with a Martial score of 31 +/- 3. And the strategic boost is more useful anyhow. We can train on a turn when we don't have 3 very important Intrigue Options.
Black Sun we should kill in both manners. 85% chance is good, sure, but a Guaranteed Success with a better than even odds of a crit really isn't something we should pass up. We should be throwing out the Martial Route for killing the Black Sun before passing on the Intrigue Route.
Black Sun we should kill in both manners. 85% chance is good, sure, but a Guaranteed Success with a better than even odds of a crit really isn't something we should pass up. We should be throwing out the Martial Route for killing the Black Sun before passing on the Intrigue Route.
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DB_Explorer
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[X] Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space
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[X] Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space
I'd still like to get others' feedback on two key issues:
2) Should we shuffle which base upgrades get included or removed?
1) Should we swap out our 'Survival Training' for a second bit of Personal Attention -- assigned to either the Black Sun intrigue option, or to Operation RESI (with its two heroes reassigned to Black Sun). Ciaran has a pretty decent Martial stat, so survival training would be mostly useful for worst-case scenarios and Interludes, while Personal Attention would give us a much greater chance of success against a major criminal empire. OTOH, we've delayed Ciaran's personal training for quite a while at this point, and self-improvement is a virtue.
2) Should we shuffle which base upgrades get included or removed?
We might drop the Kiln system defenses (low urgency, given our 'security through obscurity' approach). We might also re-add the Naboo mansion in order to convert it to a resort for extra income. I appreciate those who contributed to the discussion above, but I'd really like others' thoughts and feedback before I make a final decision.
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Well I like the option to operate Beskar Mines. It would synergise nicely with the Mando guardians, plus it would probably provide a nice bonus to all our military assets.
Oh snap. That does change things.
Great, yet another potential finale that I'm going to have to top. Thanks guys(Enjoy the +10 Whumbly.)
@SmallBurnyThing, @Teron, @Whumbly, @Killerflood: each of you contributed an omake and received a +10 bonus for it. If 'Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space' does win here, which Actions would you like to apply these bonuses towards? (EDIT: Teron has two bonuses to assign).
My suggestions:
- 'Deals with Sienar' (Stewardship) currently has a 76% chance of success
- 'Operation RESI II' (Intrigue) currently has a 76% chance of success (may change if we add a second Personal Attention)
- 'Survival Training' (Personal) currently has a 70% chance of success (may be replaced with Personal Attention later)
- 'Art of the Mandalorian' (Hero - Thrawn) currently has 79% chance of success
- 'Wisdom of Vectivus' (Hero - Asajj) currently has 82% chance of success
- 'Eclipsing the Black Sun, Silent Option' (Free) currently has 65% chance of success (may change if we add a Personal Attention)
Also, @Dr. Snark, does Teron get a second +10 bonus for his other omake this round?
On an unrelated note: looking through all those threadmarks reminded me of a question I wanted to ask. When we started out the last round of miniturns for Operation Skyfall, you had us vote on how to pair heroes from the Abyss Watchers with members of Jango & Skirata's squad. Did you have any particular pairings in mind that you wanted to write, or was there an 'ideal' pairing that you wish we had voted for?
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[X] Plan Something Rotta-n in Hutt Space