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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)

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Whumbly said:
I hate to rain on your parade, but there is a chronological order of episodes. Though for the sake of the quest you can ignore it.
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...Okay then. *groans* It's not you, it's more me being frustrated at the difficulties with pinning down time frames.

*checks the thing*

...Okay so when I said I didn't know when things happened I meant more "what year in the canon" and not "did this happen before the other thing." Though uh, I am glad I did accidentally put Mandalore before Kamino like what was supposed to happen.

The thing is though if I went by that order given we kinda sorta negated/fucked with a good chunk of them so uh...I'm going to say that Ahsoka is only going to come in now because...well...I'm the QM and I say so :V

...That and it makes more sense since I think Anakin would have only become a Jedi Knight just last year. So it makes sense that he's only getting the Padawan now. Plus she wasn't even in those arcs, so really there's no difference :V
 
SlyOverlord said:
I am surprised that the Rule of Two lasted for thousands of years if each successor might not of had the full knowledge and resources of their predecessor. One Sith could have died from an illness or accident before they could teach their apprentice everything. Historically, there are many things that could end small groups if they don't have enough qualified personnel. The Sith being only two people at a time especially given the scale of SW galaxy have limited functions.
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Pretty sure there was always more than just two; yeah, we've been told there's always just a Master and Apprentice, but there's also been a menagerie of Acolytes where the apprentice was likely chosen from. So maybe there's just one Master that controls all the Sith in the galaxy by dint of being the most powerful, and chooses an apprentice to be their successor, and then there'd be generations of acolytes spread out all over the place from people who never made the cut to apprenticeship but still past on their meager powers and knowledge. Yeah, they'd be very weak, especially compared to Jedi and actual Sith, but that'd allow them to be able to fly under the Jedi's radar very easily, and be a decent rebuilding network in the event of leadership loss.

Also, when you get that powerful with the Force, things like getting sick or even having a body are kind of just suggestions at that point. Plus speccing in Force-future-sight probably helped most of them avoid trouble in the first place. Though IIRC Palpatine was different from the rest in that he never really made serious contingencies in the event of his death to pass on what he knew, and tried to dismantle anything that could be remotely a threat to him.
 
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Missingnoleader said:
But she's already his padawan? I mean its canon right?
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Curses! Foiled by in-quest canon! Auuuggguhhhh

*Dramatically collapses*

Okay but seriously thanks for figuring that out. Initiating retcon~

Edit: Oh wow I was even foiled by Omake Canon. That's like, even worse. Or better. I'm not sure which. The point being is that I apparently shouldn't have been arguing with Whumbly like I did. :V
 
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So now that our favorite Padawan is on the scene how should we troll her?

Also who's up for getting Ventress a round of bleeding edge cosmetic surgery (complete with altered voice) to hide the fact that she's still alive?
 
Killerflood said:
You mean he wanted:



and thus after attaining it acted like Sith usually do?
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I was under the impression that while all Sith want said UNLIMITED POWAH, they still act in a fashion that's meant to ensure the continuation of the Sith (even if it's with themselves at the helm). Palpatine only really took an actual apprentice when he already won with Vader (I see Dooku as a pawn with delusions of grandeur), up until that point if he got killed, the entire Sith plan was kinda fucked.
 
Teron said:
CURSE YOU! I was speficialy NOT mentioning that to not have Dr. Snark despair even more! :rofl:

By the way, Happy new year!
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If nothing else I got to learn what it was like when that guy totally ruins everything by pointing out a plothole that you completely overlooked because it was from some random one-off thing. It's like this:

Me: And then they escaped on the horse-
That Guy: The one that died in the Halloween Special?
Me: Whuh-buh-IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE OKAY

I mean this was a perfectly harmless and civil example, but still. :V
 
Dr. Snark said:
If nothing else I got to learn what it was like when that guy totally ruins everything by pointing out a plothole that you completely overlooked because it was from some random one-off thing. It's like this:

Me: And then they escaped on the horse-
That Guy: The one that died in the Halloween Special?
Me: Whuh-buh-IT'S A DIFFERENT ONE OKAY

I mean this was a perfectly harmless and civil example, but still. :V
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The only reason I even remembered it was because it was a THRAWN omake, even if he didn't actually appear in it.
 
Hmm, I wonder how Ventress typical days will now go. She allready only ran on hate and anger before, but now she has absolutely nothing left (aside from what the Abyss Watchers provide her and she isn't the kind of person who is bound to enjoy any of it) and is stuck with a bunch of excentric people, one of which is likely going to spend time and effort trying to help her (namely Ciaran). Which of course would just annoy her. And amuse Ciaran.
 
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Teron said:
Hmm, I wonder how Ventress typical days will now go. She allready only ran on hate and anger before, but now she has absolutely nothing left (aside from what the Abyss Watchers provide her and she isn't the kind of person who is bound to enjoy any of it) and is stuck with a bunch of excentric people, one of which is likely going to spend A LOT of time and effort trying to help her (namely Ciaran).
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She will be brooding like Sasuke. :V
 
So does anyone find it odd that we keep gathering a bunch of hero units that are minor or semi-evil villains at one point or another? At this point, we are not going to have much of a rogue gallery by the time Palpatine is offed.

What next? Jabba the Hutt replaces Thrawn as the next big villain. :lol
 
Teron said:
*snip* stuck with a bunch of excentric people, one of which is likely going to spend A LOT of time and effort trying to help her (namely Ciaran).
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Why would Ciaran help Ventress more than the minimum amount to keep Ventress from betraying her? What does she get out of helping her more than that? Someone loyal? That'll likely take years even beyond the clones wars. She's a marshal asset to an organization that's focus is intrigue and (at least originally) stewardship. (it's all about the money) She is also a very precarious one at that.

I'm just trying to see what motivation Ciaran would have in putting in the effort to make Ventress a stable individual rather than just stable enough so that it's safe to have her in our employ. Anything more than that will depend on how useful Ventress turns out to be. Ciaran is a businesswoman. She might style herself as a philanthropist but her charity happens to benefit her just as much as those she "gives" it to. I see her as someone who would likely agree with the concept of equivalent exchange in general if not in totality. Helping Ventress to become more mentally stable sees her employment less likely to backfire on us but more than that will depend on future events and thus won't be considered from this point. And you don't need an individual to be completely stable to not be considered a threat to you. Ciaran will definitely not consider options to make her more unstable. That's not her style. But putting in the effort to help Ventress just to help her? I don't see that.

I guess I'm just slightly confused as to what you mean by the phrase "effort trying to help."
 
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Killerflood said:
I guess I'm just slightly confused as to what you mean by the phrase "effort trying to help."
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Seething psychopaths are problematic. Ciaran is Ciaran. Weird stuff happens. Like allways. *glances at the rest of the quest* Yeah.

I'll also admit that partway through my own run of the quest I started envisioning Ciaran as relatively benevolent. Yes, she will profit in some way or at least look for a way to do so. She isn't going to be much of an asshole about it though.

Edit: Readjusted my last post.
 
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SlyOverlord said:
So does anyone find it odd that we keep gathering a bunch of hero units that are minor or semi-evil villains at one point or another? At this point, we are not going to have much of a rogue gallery by the time Palpatine is offed.

What next? Jabba the Hutt replaces Thrawn as the next big villain. :lol
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There's always IG-88. :V
 
Let's see.....we are currently losing.....399 credits due to the war, with income at 65%....

So, we need to work out how many credits we get from rearrangement compared to the upkeep of running said rearrangement and comparing that to the difference between our current income and upkeep....

We need to figure out how much we get from a 5% increase.
 
Wonder how Ventress is going to react when she gets shown the shiny Sith Holocron Ciaran's been sitting on. (i'm assuming we'd show it to her as Darth Vectivus's teachings could potentially make her more stable, plus we'd actually be teaching her stuff which she would appreciate and be interested in)
 
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