May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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Keep in mind that the Star Forge- the quintessential 'evil Infinite Empire artifact' while Dark Side tainted, was a lot more than just that- and Revan was capable of using it as such.
Using these things is not an intrinsic evil, and I'm not suggesting we suddenly begin a campaign of galactic conquest. But at the very least, it gives us a military means of stalemating Palpatine if he becomes Emperor, and depending on how powerful the foundry is we can reconfigure/include certain designs like Vulture droids to give us a mass producible fighter craft.
It's too useful to simply bury it, and it's too dangerous to use without caution.
Again, the Star Forge is more than simply a Dark Side artifact. It's a tool that can create entirely new galaxies, and it's canon that Revan after he stopped his whole campaign of galactic conquest experimented on and began to truly understand what the Star Forge is capable of.
And considering that the Revan that used the Foundry was willing to kill like 97% of the Sith Empire (and it's not like every single citizen was evil) the ethics of using it were immaterial.
It's just absurd that as the resident 'Grey hero' of our era, following in the footsteps of one of the great Grey legends, who managed to use what everyone thought was an evil artifact to create and build and grow that people are kinda dismissing these relics out of hand.
Edit: I agree that while in an ideal situation, the armies it makes won't see use. But the Abyss Walkers at this point are an institution that ideally survives Ciaran. And a lot of it's role now is to keep on guard for any wayward threats to Galactic stability or the Galaxy itself. We're the mortal faction charged with trying to kill Mother if she rears her head, that's conspiring to redefine use of the Dark Side and prevent it from being a destabilizing force, that's aware of and willing to oppose the Myngal Myngal, that's going to have to hunt down a Celestial embodying a facet of the Force if they get out- etc. We're the secret watch dogs simply because we want to maintain a degree of status quo and stability- and in such a scenario, having a secret army we can either unleash in an apocalyptic scenario or in limited concealed deployments is fantastic.
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I'm not arguing against the blaster. I'm just saying that the saber wouldn't have been as big of a problem as people were making it out to be. Everyone was saying that it wasn't viable so I pointed out some of the more outrageous examples that were used in Star Wars canon to show that it's far from the dumbest thing that's happened.
That's exactly how I think we should use it, if we use it. The reaction I was seeing from others was leading me to think that we were going to start cranking out droids right away. That would be a mistake.
We really should bury it if we don't need it though. We won't always be around and it's too dangerous for just anyone to have.
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dude, no, we arnt going to bury it, like at all, even if we dont need a army, a massive amount's of droids can be used to make lot's of shit.
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[X] Reroll False Flag
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I'm pro cranking out droids if we know what we're cranking out, but simply stockpiling them and building up a reserve of them just in case. It's a production facility, it needs time to leverage it's power for all that it is incredibly powerful- and if we rely on production solely during crises we may not have enough.
As for burying it if/when we don't need it. See my thoughts above on that. Ciaran isn't going to live forever, but that doesn't mean we can't ensure the Abyss Walkers have the capacity to act if need be afterwards. I mean, if we really want to- we could do something like G0-T0 except intentionally, with better tech, a Mechu-daru specialist working on it, and with a better moral compass.
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or make production droids, or realize that ciaran CAN live forever, just steal a certain fountain of youth people have been talking about, or do what a certain ghost sith did, exept clone ourselves and take the body over. (why the fuck havnt we done this for him?)
[X] Reroll False Flag
I'm not leaving potential loose ends and loose cannons about. Tie this one down and fast.
And while I had not voted, if I did, then I would have voted against False Flag, but since we did it anyway, might as well work with the tools at hand.
Although, I wonder how this will play out in this turn. I really hope that we will not regret this, unlike Sayaka.
I'm not leaving potential loose ends and loose cannons about. Tie this one down and fast.
And while I had not voted, if I did, then I would have voted against False Flag, but since we did it anyway, might as well work with the tools at hand.
Although, I wonder how this will play out in this turn. I really hope that we will not regret this, unlike Sayaka.
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G0-T0 was a production droid, stealing/getting access to the Fountain of Youth in the Gree enclaves... is technically possible but almost certainly near entirely impossible in actuality.
As for Force Ghosts shenanigans, I imagine it's a bit more complicated possessing something with so little force signature.
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It's still too dangerous. One of thing I've always believed in is that if you employ a superweapon, you need a way to defeat it if it's turned against you. We do not have any way to deal with it if someone else takes control of the Foundry.
That's why I don't want it to be used unless it's absolutely necessary and to bury it otherwise.
I'm fine with producing some droids so long as we don't go overboard with it. An army of droid popping up out of nowhere is beyond suspicious, especially when they are all HK level.
As the Abyss Watchers currently are, the inner circle will fall apart without Ciaran. Call me paranoid, but if anyone takes over after that, I don't trust them to run things correctly or with control of the Foundry.
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No we shouldn't, what we should do is start cranking out droids as soon as possible, that way when something happens our response will be we can counter with surprise droid army rather then oh shit we need to survive for three months to get enough droids to do anything.
The absolute first thing we need to do is bring it full repair and create enough droids that no one can capture the place intact. If someone finds it without our authorization codes they would have to destroy the place to take it. Then we can look into creating droids for the things that we already use droids for such as secret guard duty.
If we reach that point then we can look into other projects such as an anti jedi droid like the Magna Guards for use as support against sidious. Or look into the living virus that destroys all life out in the unknown regions. Given that it can't eat droids using them to deal with infestations is a hell of a lot better then humans.
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we still havnt stated what ciarans philosophy and code about the force IS besides that the force is life, and that to much of one or the other is realy realy bad.
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I think maybe Thrawn could manage it- especially with a bit more time and Ciaran establishing a clear chain of succession. And Thrawn would be exactly the sort to pull a G0-T0 and create a bonafide AI, hide its existence, and entrust it with ensuring galactic peace and prosperity as the shadowy head of the Abyss Walkers to ensure it remains on track after him.
I was never too fond of Kotor 2 but G0-T0 always struck me as an awesome premise. Especially if we do a more thorough and coherent job of actually making and educating our equivalent.
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[X] Reroll PR-1
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[X] Reroll False Flag
This is gonna be epic. Also sorry palpes, but your order 66 just got struck down by surprise competent droid army.
This is gonna be epic. Also sorry palpes, but your order 66 just got struck down by surprise competent droid army.
And how exactly does one Bury a space factory of that size?
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you dont, that's why he's being a dumb dumb
Exactly. And the act of trying to bury it could be more dangerous to our secrecy than just using it for making a droid army and stashing the army on a moon somewhere, awaiting orders to poke Palpy in the butt (with a blaster bolt).
By the way, I know that Droid Starfighers exist. Is it possible to make Droid Capital Ships?
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I suppose it could work, but remember that Thrawn has vastly different priorities than us, he supported the Empire once upon a time after all. I'm not knocking him, he's great, but he wouldn't invest into the things that would allow the galaxy to flourish like we do.
A G0-T0 style thing would be cool, but I don't really know that much about him. I played KOTOR II, but half the game went over my head because I couldn't get into the story and never replayed it.
It's a turn of phrase. It means to get rid of it in a way that no one will ever know about it. Destroy it, purge all record of it's existence, it doesn't matter so long as no one can use it.
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......you want to destroy a bonifide army maker? are you dumb?
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Yes, I am aware of what it means. I meant how exactly do you propose that. And you wish to remove any ability for it to be used at all? I can understand where you are coming from, but this is a bit far off into the future for such plans isn't it?
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Counter to Foundry: HK-47
Statement: Move aside Meatbags! Learn how it's really done!
And with the level of people working or associating with Ciaran an real AI that's properly risen ... (btw look at PR-1, while a "simple droid"
Recusant-class light destroyer, has droid brain, limited to be under it's creator control, but otherwise...
Her philosophy is a close mirror to Kreia, only started from mundane side rather the mystical one. Prosperity trough adversary.
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Hey, no need to be rude. All he's saying is this thing is too dangerous to let anyone else get a hold of. If that means destroying it if it's compromised then so be it.
I don't know canon Thrawn that well, so bear with me. I don't quite think this is the same Thrawn any more. Does he still have a certain amorality and pragmatic streak? Yeah. Would he probably still glass worlds if he felt the need? Probably. But Caamas was one of his proudest moments. Where soft-power from behind shadows did more to ensure peace and prosperity than a battlegroup and peerless stratagems. I think this Thrawn has a better idea of what can be achieved without bloodshed.
Combine that with the lack of bloodshed, and a lot of canon Thrawn's militaristic and morally repugnant acts aren't likely to happen.