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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
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The answer is "kind of." Agents/Abysswalkers tend to be trained without any of the Light/Dark philosophy and as such don't really tend to draw too heavily from one side or the other. Thanks to Vectivus' holocron becoming semi-public knowledge, there's also a general guide on "How Not To Get Addicted To Your Force Powers."
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Publicola's use of multi-quote is fine. The second post in the thread has an example of an post that's legal despite having a ton of quotes in it, and it's basically a Publicola post. The rule is more about how you multi-quote than multi-quoting itself. Line by line argument responses? No bueno. Engaging with multiple distinctive points/topics with possibly multiple users (in this case, addressing each potential write-in)? That's all good.
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There is a problem with this policy, namely that because of it, Ciaran can never get a solid, in-depth education on the basics. As I mentioned before, she doesn't seem to know the difference between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force (or at least doesn't know them by those names) and won't be able to find out because those lessons would be "generic", not something unique and distinctive that only one teacher can teach us.
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It should be noted that most if not all of the light/dark duality casters came from the SW videogames. Kyle Katarn (Dark Forces ⇒ Jedi Knight/Outcast), Revan (KOTOR), Meetra Surik (KOTOR II), Jaden Korr (Jedi Academy), and Galen Marek (Force Unleashed I & II). Which is understandable as you do not want to limit player choice agency, so the Force winds up as merely another tool/weapon than relying on the morality and nature of the user that most of the movies/books ascribe to it.
As for the dark side making you ugly, well, there are exceptions to that rule too: Sariss, Tavion Axmis, Darth Talon...huh. Maybe the Dark Side only has adverse physical side affects on males!
BTW, if you thought Revan was weird...Katarn basically goes from Stormtrooper Officer to Rebel Agent (Dark Forces) to Jedi (Jedi Knight) to Fallen Jedi (Mysteries of the Sith) back to Rebel Agent via severing his connection to the Force for years and then picking up the Force again for vengeance (Jedi Outcast) and finally culminating with him becoming Jedi Battlemaster of the NJO (Jedi Academy & Legend canon books).
As for the dark side making you ugly, well, there are exceptions to that rule too: Sariss, Tavion Axmis, Darth Talon...huh. Maybe the Dark Side only has adverse physical side affects on males!
BTW, if you thought Revan was weird...Katarn basically goes from Stormtrooper Officer to Rebel Agent (Dark Forces) to Jedi (Jedi Knight) to Fallen Jedi (Mysteries of the Sith) back to Rebel Agent via severing his connection to the Force for years and then picking up the Force again for vengeance (Jedi Outcast) and finally culminating with him becoming Jedi Battlemaster of the NJO (Jedi Academy & Legend canon books).
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I'd say that given her Lore stat at this point she has a much better grasp of the fundamentals.
The main reason I don't have "generic" training actions barring the Ventress one earlier is mostly a gameplay concession like people have said, but there's also the simple fact that it would be dull as hell to write that up when Ciaran could be learning some esoteric Force power from an organization that only a few people have heard of.
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But it's space wizard magic! How on earth is it even possible to make that dull!? The Clone Wars is proof that generic training can be entertaining, showing us Dooku teaching Savage to channel his anger in order to boost his powers. That's basic as hell for Sith but it was still cool to watch.
EDIT: If you really find it that difficult to create engagement without novelty, don't make it an interlude. Just write what happens in the turn page. As for the gameplay reason, that is very narrative-breaking. If it applied to anyone else, no one would be able to become a Jedi or a Sith because the Jedi/Sith have multiple unique powers you have to learn, except you're only allowed to learn one of those powers under the current system.
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It would be dull because she's already learned from his Holocron about his philosophies and aside from that he doesn't have any unique abilities barring the very situational Phantom creation, not to mention that he would be very much against anything like tapping into your anger or something like that. I know that it you can make training look cool given the proper material but it's just not there given the point Ciaran has reached. If she had a lower Lore stat I could do things like you're suggesting but given that she's now Darth Goddamn Traya her going through the equivalent of starter classes in the Force would be kind of jarring.
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I understand and accept the points you're making, now I just have two questions left.
1. Why would Vectivus be against tapping into our anger? Isn't that Step 1 of using the Dark Side at all?
2. If Vectivus has nothing to teach Ciaran regarding the Force, does that mean Ciaran is as knowledegable and powerful in the Force (minus the Dark Side) as a fully-fledged Sith Lord?
Personally, if I were to teach someone about anger, I would do a lesson similar to this.
Anger can be useful, as long as it is used in moderation.
I thought it was pretty clear that Ciaran got the 'proper' basics on the Force from Vectivus' Holocron and then later studying the Jedi approach from the Dantooine instructional Holocrons.
She already has the basics, she's pretty much the equal of Ventress who is herself now stronger than her canon self who was capable enough to stand up to Obi-Wan on a regular basis, who is notably one of the finest Jedi in history.
I'd guess that Ciaran herself would be the equal of notably capable Jedi Knight, perhaps beginning to edge closer to Master than Knight?
As for a Sith Lord, certainly she'd qualify among the Darths of the Sith Empire or a mid-training Lord of the Baneite Order, of contemporary Sith Lords at best I think Ciaran would be compared to Maul more than Dooku at this point when it comes to power.
On a side note, thinking about Vectivus' method of wielding the Dark Side, I imagined it as less about not using the Dark Side but more about controlled application of Anger, rather than a stewing, boiling cauldron of rage I'd imagine a Vectivian Sith to be coldly focused, if anger is running through them it'd be cold anger punctuated by sharp, explosive bursts of rage at controlled moments.
Like using your anger to give your blows more 'oomph' at the right moment rather than berserk rains of blows.
A matter of firmly controlling anger itself coupled with iron secure codes of action and control.
She already has the basics, she's pretty much the equal of Ventress who is herself now stronger than her canon self who was capable enough to stand up to Obi-Wan on a regular basis, who is notably one of the finest Jedi in history.
I'd guess that Ciaran herself would be the equal of notably capable Jedi Knight, perhaps beginning to edge closer to Master than Knight?
As for a Sith Lord, certainly she'd qualify among the Darths of the Sith Empire or a mid-training Lord of the Baneite Order, of contemporary Sith Lords at best I think Ciaran would be compared to Maul more than Dooku at this point when it comes to power.
On a side note, thinking about Vectivus' method of wielding the Dark Side, I imagined it as less about not using the Dark Side but more about controlled application of Anger, rather than a stewing, boiling cauldron of rage I'd imagine a Vectivian Sith to be coldly focused, if anger is running through them it'd be cold anger punctuated by sharp, explosive bursts of rage at controlled moments.
Like using your anger to give your blows more 'oomph' at the right moment rather than berserk rains of blows.
A matter of firmly controlling anger itself coupled with iron secure codes of action and control.
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I think I misspoke earlier, but Xenon here summed up the matter quite nicely:
This is definitely Vectivus' MO: you can certainly get angry, but always be sure to keep it focused and controlled. Not only does that keep you sane, but it also makes your bursts of power that much more frightening.
And Ciaran's already good at focusing her anger as it is. Just ask Wesk-oh wait he was obliterated nevermind
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Pretty much this. Not to mention that due to the nature of how she reached that point it would be inherently difficult for Ciaran to be "properly" trained in the Force since she's basically gotten stronger through analyzing various esoteric techniques from around the galaxy, taking the parts that have practical and immediate effects, and applying them to herself. Because of that and the inherent weirdness of her Fracture Manipulation, she just doesn't use the Force like a normal Jedi/Sith.
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There is one thing I want a general training action for: Putting all the individual techniques together. Learning a ton of exotic techniques is great and all, but in a fight you don't use them individually, but need to work them together. That is what I think Ciaran should have a general training action for at some point.
Speaking of techniques: We recently got a teacher from that body reinforcement style sect, or am I misremembering that? If Ciaran has that, she should be quite terrifying on the battlefield: Can see through every ruse, can thwart most ranged attacks (Still need something against force lightning. Perhaps some of the exotic materials people wrote omake about?), can destroy everything with a touch, and has extreme mobility thanks to a force enhanced body.
I think we need to culminate Ciaran's philosophical journey, attain 'Mastery' before she can create a cohesive 'style', she needs to come a comprehensive conclusion on the what Force is and her relationship with it.
So far we have 'the Force is life' from witnessing an echo of it's death.
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I wasn't referring to Ciaran creating a new "style" or anything philosophical at all. What I meant to refer to was the plain and mundane matter that Ciaran will need practice on how to combine shooting people with seeing the future, with manipulating the present, with hacking at them with a sword, with doing physically impossible feats of superstrength etc etc in the middle of combat.
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There was an omake where Ciaran was having trouble learning Blazing Chains because she was still focusing on Shatterpoint. The idea is to solve that and any similar transition penalties, which are to be expected when your training is less cohesive and more of a collage. Overall not a bad idea.
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I think she's been doing that off-screen. When we do an action to learn a new technique, it's not just learning the technique, it's also incorporating it into our style.
I'm guessing she can't really teach it either. Its a kitbashed collection of different philosophies
Actually that kimd of works in a weird sense.
Dark and light represent contrast, structure, meanwhile grey is a mix of the two or something fuzzy. And to approach as many as possible learning and teaching it is a DIY mission, since you.pretty much have to mix and match light and dark or avoid either in whatever combination one feels comfortable with. Thus it can have no aingular phylisophy thus any singular style or path of applying them.
If Ceiran does make a holocron it would be a heavy lore holocron consisting of a pleathora of styles and select moves from them she learnt probably a massiveley greater colation than sith or jedi and more some preffered advanced guidence on a similar path to assemble a prefered fighting style after imparting her and counseling on how tonfurther increase such a library.
Dark and light represent contrast, structure, meanwhile grey is a mix of the two or something fuzzy. And to approach as many as possible learning and teaching it is a DIY mission, since you.pretty much have to mix and match light and dark or avoid either in whatever combination one feels comfortable with. Thus it can have no aingular phylisophy thus any singular style or path of applying them.
If Ceiran does make a holocron it would be a heavy lore holocron consisting of a pleathora of styles and select moves from them she learnt probably a massiveley greater colation than sith or jedi and more some preffered advanced guidence on a similar path to assemble a prefered fighting style after imparting her and counseling on how tonfurther increase such a library.
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I found something cool.
Alternate Lightsaber Techniques - an imgur image gallery with a bunch of combat moves that use unorthodox moves, deception, and Trakata. Ciaran is probably a master at It's a Trap!, which is the last one at the bottom.
EDIT: There's more on the artist's Facebook page.
Alternate Lightsaber Techniques - an imgur image gallery with a bunch of combat moves that use unorthodox moves, deception, and Trakata. Ciaran is probably a master at It's a Trap!, which is the last one at the bottom.
EDIT: There's more on the artist's Facebook page.
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How do you like the current base system and how cumbersome are you finding it?
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How do you like the current base system and how cumbersome are you finding it?
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Grand Theft Vader
It was a heated duel, the fiercest he had ever fought. Obi-wan had no idea when his Padawan had grown to be his equal, but it had become clear that they were in fact evenly matched with a lightsaber and the Force. But there was one advantage Obi-wan still had. His mind was clear.
The Dark Side granted power, but it also required rage and hatred. Without experience, these emotions clouded the mind. He would be surprised if Anakin were thinking of anything but his former master's death. And that tunnel vision let Obi-wan identify the sloped shore of this river of lava.
Obi-wan disengaged and leapt to it, catching his breath as the small platform he and Anakin had just been dueling on wheeled around and came up below him. Still breathing heavily, Obi-wan held his arms out to indicate the obvious. "It's over Anakin. I have the high ground." With even this slight advantage, the stalemate was broken. With no safe way to approach, Anakin would be vulnerable in every way going forward.
"You underestimate my power." spat Anakin, and a dread came over Obi-wan's heart. It was clear from Anakin's eyes what he intended. Obi-wan had done something similar in the past, but Anakin would not have the benefit of surprise that had let Obi-wan prevail over the Sith in his youth.
Obi-wan should have stayed silent and taken the victory, but some small part of him still didn't wish to harm his Padawan, his brother. "Don't try it." he pleaded, though his warning fell on deaf ears. Anakin shouted as he leapt into the air, spinning over Obi-wan. Even if he was unaware of the trick, the movement was extremely telegraphed.
Swiping his lightsaber up and around, he severed three of Anakin's limbs and sent him tumbling back down the hill towards the lava, groaning in pain. No matter how strong Anakin was with the Force, there was no way he could continue fighting. It was over. Obi-wan extinguished his lightsaber, still in shock about what he had just been forced to do. About how things could have possibly come to this point.
"You were the chosen one!" he shouted, the agony clear in his voice. "It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness." The Jedi Master turned to leave, picking up Anakin's lightsaber as he left. A memento of the proud Jedi he had known and loved.
"I HATE YOU!" shouted Anakin, his voice twisted with pain. It didn't even sound like him anymore.
"You were my brother, Anakin." lamented Obi-wan, his pain emotional rather than physical. "I loved you." The tip of Anakin's leg slid too close to the lava then, and he burst into flames. Screaming in agony, Anakin Skywalker died. Obi-wan turned his head, but then forced himself to watch. Heart heavy, he left.
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The Blackguard Wilders watched the furious duel, having sensed the two mighty Force wielders doing battle. Much to their surprise, the one that positively dwarfed the other was the loser. "I suppose it goes to show that natural talent isn't everything." marveled the one.
"Think we should do anything?" asked his comrade, staring down as the Jedi left the Sith to die from his, admittedly fatal, wounds.
Usually the older Blackguard would have taken it as a small lesson and headed back to base. Their patrol had gone too far out of its was as is. But something seemed familiar about the dying Sith. Lady Ciaran, the Blackguard's benefactor, the woman who had given them the forces needed to eliminate the Phantom Bandits, who had given them countless leads on other Force sects to learn from, who they owed an incredible debt to despite her insistence that she wanted nothing more than knowledge, had described someone incredibly like that Sith.
"Bring him back to headquarters and stabilize him. Keep him unconscious though." ordered the older Wilder. "I think Lady Ciaran might be interested in meeting him."
"Whatever you say." shrugged the younger man. "You're taking the heat if this blows up in our faces though."
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Palpatine felt the agony of his apprentice ripple through the Force, and scowled in anger. His greatest triumph was marred by his greatest prize's failure. Still, agony was a great sustaining force for the Sith, and if he was not killed immediately by the one who had wounded him so, it was possible he would survive.
With that in mind, Palpatine had a ship brought to him and a few clone guards, made ready for travel to Mustafar as quickly as possible. No one asked any questions as to where the Emperor was going so soon after his ascension, a testament to his power and the fear he inspired in them.
He arrived on the magma world, setting down where Anakin's ship had landed. He and the clones spread out to look for Darth Vader, or perhaps his vengeful spirit. His apprentice had been woefully inexperienced, but he was strong enough with the Force that it was possible he had created a Force Ghost by accident. It would explain the agony he still felt, though it had quieted some.
Hours of searching passed, and Palpatine was forced to call off the search. Anakin must have been defeated, struggled against his wounds for a time, and been consumed by the lava, his massive presence with the Force making his agony echo to those sensitive to it.
Darht Sidious cursed. And he had just replaced his old apprentice. He'd be lucky to get someone as good as Dooku, and he'd never find someone with Skywalker's potential again.
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Anakin Skywalker awoke to pain. He groaned as he sat up, too weak to offer louder protest. Still, it was enough to alert the person at his bedside that he was conscious. "Ah, good. You're awake. You're welcome by the way."
He knew that voice. "Lady… Ciaran?' he managed to gasp out.
"It's a good thing I've been pioneering Force compatible prosthetics for years now. Your connection with the Force hopefully won't be diminished too much." she said, not really answering his question directly. "You growing back your hair is unlikely though. We deemed it a lower priority than… well, everything else."
"I was… fighting my Master." Anakin said, the memories coming back. He had matched the Jedi, surpassed him at times, but he had still lost.
"Former Master." snapped Ciaran. The disgust in her voice, a rare tone from the prankster he knew, brought him crashing out of him memories. "I believe you are now the apprentice of one Darth Sidious. A man I have spent years trying to subvert in every way imaginable. Including offering you an alternative to the Sith should you choose to leave the Jedi Order. And instead you spit in my face and do this."
"So then why did you help me?" asked Anakin. There was little doubt in his mind he would have died on Mustafar had she and her organization not done what they had.
"Because I believe in second chances." said Ciaran with a heavy sigh, as if she couldn't believe her own words. "Do you remember Ventress?"
"Dooku's assassin?" asked Anakin, confused as to where that shift in topic had come from. "He killed her on Kamino, years ago. What does she have to do with this?"
"She didn't die. I faked her death. Rather convincingly apparently. She'll be happy to know that." said Ciaran, as if it were the most normal thing in the world. "She's worked for me ever since, and has become essentially unrecognizable. She's no longer a Sith in pretty much any way, shape, or form. She helps people selflessly, owns a pet, does good deeds. And she has hair now. Unrecognizable indeed."
The parallels were obvious. Ciaran had offered him a position working for her before, and she was doing so again. "You're offering me a job? After all I've done?" asked Anakin, incredulous.
"Do not think my forgiveness will come with it. You would need to do much to earn it, but I can't throw away someone this valuable in the fight against Sidious. I already lost once." muttered Ciaran, as if her losing were the worst thing that had happened. "And do not think my patience limitless. This is a one-time offer."
A pointless clarification. His options would either be working for Ciaran or death. She'd never let him go. "And if I refuse?" asked Anakin. "Are my options to be your slave or your prisoner?"
"No." she said simply. "You are free to leave anytime and go crawling back to your Master. Ask Darra how easy it is to get maintenance on those prosthetics without Abyss Walker engineers though. And something, you know, experience, tells me Sheev doesn't like toys that don't work. If you trust him though, I'm sure he'd find a way to let you live your life."
Anakin stared down at his hands, neither one human anymore. Reminders of his failures. "What of Padme?" he asked. This would be his test. If Sidious had made good on his promise to save her…
"Died in childbirth. Twins. She named them Luke and Leia with her dying breath." said Ciaran, speaking in short sentences so that her sorrow wouldn't be as obvious. "They'll be taken care of, regardless of your decision. I wouldn't stoop so low as to use children as blackmail."
So, she was dead all the same, exactly as he had foreseen it. He had betrayed the only home he ever had, the people he thought of as family, and caused uncalculatable suffering across the entire galaxy, all for naught. Anakin Skywalker started laughing as he cried at the sheer unfairness of it all. He'd never be able to make up for what he'd done, but he'd never be able to live with himself if he didn't try. "All right, I'll do it. Sidious broke his promise to me anyways."
"Well at least this hasn't been a complete fiasco." griped Ciaran as she got up to leave. "I'll send your new partner down tomorrow, after you've had a bit more time to rest up. I have a feeling you and HK-47 will really hit it off."
AN: This started as me thinking that having boots on the ground when Vader vs. Kenobi goes down might let us beat Palpatine to his own apprentice. And then steal his apprentice. And then pair him with HK-47 for future missions.
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This idea literally came to this point from "lol Palpatine shows up to get Anakin and he's not there cause our Blackguard allies got there first" in like an hour. I'm impressed it makes as much sense as it does. I'm all for this one never leaving the non-canon pile.
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Oh, I would like to see it working, but after Anakin woke up you better have the Ysalamiri ready ...