Exactly, since the first time I saw the Phantom Menace the I thought that whole bring Balance to the Force thing smell fishy

I mean the most logical conclusion to that prophecy is that Anakin actions , either willingly or unwillingly, are going to cause a great rise in the numbers/power of the Sith and/or a serious downfall in the numbers/power of the Jedi.
Jedi don't believe in the Sith/Light-side Dark-side dichotomy where both sides bring balance. They believe in just "the Force" where what is referred to as 'the Dark side of the Force' is something unnatural, a perversion of the natural order. So the Order thought the whole Chosen One thing meant that he'd destroy the Sith once and for all.
 
You know, is there a reason we can't try to cooperate with the Kaminoans? I mean, they're a planet and people specializing in cloning. We have a Medical Corp. Can we work with them?

Especially since we are hoping to cure the Clones' age degeneration and biochips thing.

Orrrr would that be too partisan of us in the current political climate?

Still. We did want to try out cloned limb replacements a while back, didn't we...

... I'm also kind of curious to see if it'd be possible to apply one of the "genetic engineering" options we have, to Clone armies... ... Specifically, the Miralukan one. Or at least some other Force-sensitive race.
Id rather we don't use those quacks. If we asked for Cloned organs and limbs they'd probably just clone them the normal way and chop the clones up for parts. It'd be much more efficent to create our own techniques and lead to being able to go up the tech tree.
 
Jedi don't believe in the Sith/Light-side Dark-side dichotomy where both sides bring balance. They believe in just "the Force" where what is referred to as 'the Dark side of the Force' is something unnatural, a perversion of the natural order. So the Order thought the whole Chosen One thing meant that he'd destroy the Sith once and for all.
How fortunate the the MC isn't hampered by that myopic view ... and that Anakin already has doubts. And if Palpatine in this quest is also showing prefence to Anakin, that should be noticed by us. And that should ring some bells - strongest force user we met so far wooed by the Sith Lord who's got us on his kill list ...
 
The Jedi (And George Lucas iirc) view the existence of the dark side as the imbalance, and believe(say) that bringing balance to the force would involve destroying the dark side. The while light-side/dark-side dichotomy comes from other sources. (Though it's definitely canon.)
 
Jedi don't believe in the Sith/Light-side Dark-side dichotomy where both sides bring balance. They believe in just "the Force" where what is referred to as 'the Dark side of the Force' is something unnatural, a perversion of the natural order. So the Order thought the whole Chosen One thing meant that he'd destroy the Sith once and for all.
Jedi don't believe in the Sith/Light-side Dark-side dichotomy where both sides bring balance. They believe in just "the Force" where what is referred to as 'the Dark side of the Force' is something unnatural, a perversion of the natural order. So the Order thought the whole Chosen One thing meant that he'd destroy the Sith once and for all.
You know, for an order that preaches humility and autocontrol as some of their core principles, assuming that is awfully arrogant...
Why not? Get order, fulfill order,
Get paid.
Get second order, fulfill order.
Get paid.
Where's the problem?

I don't know if that would be possible, there are races that take their work ethic, very seriously (an Anzati assassin would die before double crossing someone who hired him)
 
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You know, for an order that preaches humility and autocontrol as some of their core principles, assuming that is awfully arrogant...


I don't know if that would be possible, there are races that take their work ethic, very seriously (an Anzati assassin would die before double crossing someone who hired him)
Double crossing?
Clones are ordered and produced to specification.
Clones are subverted by us, nothing to do with the Kaminoans.
Clone recuperation procedures are ordered and paid for by us.
???
 
I don't know if that would be possible, there are races that take their work ethic, very seriously (an Anzati assassin would die before double crossing someone who hired him)
Unless they're being paid not to help us remove the chips, it shouldn't be an issue. And we don't know if the Kaminoans have that sort of ethic anyway.
 
While we're talking about high-tech candidates: Umbaran?

IDK at one point they were part of the Republic, they joined the Separatists only after ?Mee Deechi? assassination.
Do we still have time?
 
I'm pretty sure whatever contract the Republic has with the Kaminoans is going to have some basic good faith/don't fuck us over clause.
Do they have a contract with the Republic? And would they care if canon happened here and we told them? Does the Republic (the officials) know about the minor details like the reduced life span and the control chip? The Separatists would like to make that public, for sure (apart from Dooku, of course).
 
Do they have a contract with the Republic? And would they care if canon happened here and we told them? Does the Republic (the officials) know about the minor details like the reduced life span and the control chip? The Separatists would like to make that public, for sure (apart from Dooku, of course).

Reason nr. 5 ==> TOO RELIANT ON THE JEDI!!!!! -"Hallo, let's give every single Jedi full autonomy: they don't need our consensus!"-

Sorry, just that words: "one Jedi commissioned them" is all the explanation they need, can you believe that!
 
Sorry, just that words: "one Jedi commissioned them" is all the explanation they need, can you believe that!
"So, you've got a separatist movement, and, somehow, coincidentally, a Jedi commissioned a clone army some years previously."
"The Force moves in mysterious ways."
"And said clone army is based on a notorious bounty hunter's DNA. And they are engineered to have a reduced life expectancy."
"That - would make sense I guess?"
"And all clones have a control ship implanted that removes their free will because it allows to override said will with any command given."
"Now - they ARE military clones, of course you must make sure they follow orders!"
"... You know what? I think I take a vacation in the Outer Rim."
 

Reason nr. 5 ==> TOO RELIANT ON THE JEDI!!!!! -"Hallo, let's give every single Jedi full autonomy: they don't need our consensus!"-

Sorry, just that words: "one Jedi commissioned them" is all the explanation they need, can you believe that!


I'd say reason number 2 and 5 are bullshit. sure complete embargos and heavy sanctions can be devastating, but he seems to just assume ever sanction would be the complete and permanent obliteration of a systems economy, and assuming the CIS was hostile was just common sense when they had just tried to seize a world by force of arms. You can't hold reacting to armed rebellion with military force against a government.
 
I'd say reason number 2 and 5 are bullshit. sure complete embargos and heavy sanctions can be devastating, but he seems to just assume ever sanction would be the complete and permanent obliteration of a systems economy, and assuming the CIS was hostile was just common sense when they had just tried to seize a world by force of arms. You can't hold reacting to armed rebellion with military force against a government.

...Actually....you kinda can.

According to 'Self Determination', any racial/ethnic minority has the right to declare it's independence and acquire land/property for itself, if that racial/ethnic minority has the belief that it's being enfringed upon.

Most of the time, there is hardly enough of any one minority for it to actually happen.

However, it actually did happen, on Earth, due to the Helsinki Accords, when one racial group abused a loophole in it in order to gain independence.
 
Anyway, I once asked Teron, but I might as well ask @Dr. Snark now that it's half a year (real time), half a decade (quest time) and 250 pages later.
That may be more work than you're willing to handle, especially given our recent trend towards Force-related research actions (Chu'unthor, archaeology, cortosis, ysalamiri, lightsabers... yeah). In that case, another option would be to deal with it as you dealt with starships: let us connect with major corporations that already exist in the field, propose & create customized varients... profit!

Er...I'm going to point out that you're kinda busy with the whole trying to kill Palpatine thing to have the time to set up a second mega-corp. Besides, you're rolling in money anyway, why would you need a new one!?
 
Besides, you're rolling in money anyway, why would you need a new one!?
Because it's fun? Because I enjoyed brainstorming custom droids? Because money makes the quest go 'round, and there's no such thing as 'too much'?

I mean, I take your point -- we are a bit preoccupied with the friendly neighborhood Sith Lord, and another corporation would distract from your intended 'end game' for the quest -- but still. After all we've done in this quest, you're really asking us why we would want more money? Have you met us? :rofl:

Why let a little galactic coup get in the way of more credits?
Exactly!
 
Exactly, since the first time I saw the Phantom Menace the I thought that whole bring Balance to the Force thing smell fishy

I mean the most logical conclusion to that prophecy is that Anakin actions , either willingly or unwillingly, are going to cause a great rise in the numbers/power of the Sith and/or a serious downfall in the numbers/power of the Jedi.

I like to think of it in the way Dark Souls had the tale of their own Chosen One. You aren't the Chosen One because you're destined to do something, you're the Chosen One because it looks like you have the capacity to do it based on feats done before. Yes Anakin has the capacity to 'bring balance to the Force' from how the Jedi view it, but in the end it comes down to whether or not he wants to do so.

Why let a little galactic coup get in the way of more credits?

I think it's less to do with some than it is to do with time management. Ciaran can only do so much and even after shoving off all the boring bits onto others, we still need to do all the shadowy business we have going on.
 
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Another proposal/suggestion from the last thread:
Hmm. Setting up a system of archeological expeditions would be pretty interesting. We could even make our own museums full of our discoveries for PR and tourism.
1) This was proposed a long time before we got the 'Discovery Corps' action to actually outfit an archaeological team. Nicely done! (Wish we'd looked into this idea more at the time...)

2) Turns out there's an abandoned museum/Jedi library right next door. Nespis VII is located in the Auril sector (same as Ossus, and Murkhana, and Bal'demnic). It is orbited by 'Space City' once regarded as one of the twenty 'Wonders of the Galaxy' (it made the official list, back in 10,000 BBY). Space City was almost completely abandoned after the 'Cron Drift' Supernova that basically eradicated life in the sector, and Space City never recovered. Its current total population: one Jedi, stationed on the entire city-sized complex to guard a long-abandoned Jedi archive. (That Jedi was so isolated he didn't even learn about Order 66 until Vader showed up to kill him).

I want it. Specifically, I wonder if we could use it as a galactic museum: to celebrate Ciaran's accomplishments, celebrate the cultures and systems that belong to the CNS and/or the Outer Rim, to celebrate & showcase our own archaeological discoveries (at least the ones that are public record...)

Option #1: wait until Auril sector belongs to Neutral Space, then take it over. Nom nom nom.

Option #2: take it over now as a secure Abyss Watcher base -- it is a city-sized station with only a single resident, so it shouldn't be too hard to find space that isn't used or observed by the Jedi.... (Alternately, persuade the Jedi to join our cause...)

Option #3: contract with Kuat Drive Yards (they specialize in massive capital ships...) or Sienar (they do custom work) to outfit the station with hyperdrive engines, then move the whole Space City away from Nespis, Auril, and the whole 'Foundry of the Confederacy' area. Put it in orbit over Taris? (It'd certainly boost our reputation and 'revitalizer' credentials, to restore a ten-thousand-year-old galactic Wonder to its former glory....

Those same engines, incidentally, would let us make an 'emergency exit' in a worst-case scenario, and bring Space City to Kiln or some other site

And that is only the "publicly available" side. We can also set up top-tier research, manufacturing, education and training facilities.
Yeah creating a museum for the less volatile pieces could be done. ... Also I like the idea for Ciaran to become the purveyor of education across the Galaxy leading the way to a new golden age of science...hahahahahha
Of course, since Space City is in fact city-sized, we could always use the space station for other things. Lease some space for a Kuat facility in exchange for the engines. Let the Ithorians do their thing and make it self-sufficient for food and water. Set up a Karada medical center/school in collaboration with Alderaan. Set up a secret research site. Lots of possibilities...
 
I say we name that A9G-Series analysis droid we have in honor of @Publicola. Not that it gets mentioned much, but it's the thought that counts.
 
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