Seems obvious enough, they're blackops, not duelists
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May The Invisible Hand Be With You - (Star Wars CK2-Style Quest)
- Thread starter Dr. Snark
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- star wars canon what canon tsundere dice ck2 quest actions have consequences all the credits all work and no play makes ciaran a dull girl best sister capitalism ho! despairing qm teetotaller society member gotta catch 'em all insanity looting off the rails sage dice approaching spicy sheev tsundere asajj
- Location
- Asia
I think we should have enough skill by now to be ahead of most of them. Of course the martial focused Masters are probably still a bit ahead of us.
Out of curiosity are any of these write in suggestions viable?
It's becoming increasingly obvious that a new Sith empire is on the horizon and once the Republic/CIS falls the CNS will be next in the firing line as let's face it the Sith have never gotten on well with others. On the bright side you have a one you have a once in a millennia chance to form your own stellar empire if you play your cards right.
Martial:
[] Find an alternate source of battle droids: To say B1 battle droids are of dubious military value is being generous and frankly the 'super' version isn't much better. While they may have been barely sufficient in the past the current conflict will require something vastly superior and preferably not from a group directly under the control of a Sith.
Success chance: 70%
Reward: Battle droids worthy of the name.
Critical reward: Skytroopers direct from Zakuul.
[] You have access to a few design schematics for military equipment acquired from various sources which is great but there's plenty more where that came from. Approach the various arms dealers for better gear.
Possible Rewards: formal contact with arms dealers; options to buy equipment (likely) or designs (unlikely).
Diplomacy
As it stands about the only thing linking the CNS with each other is a determination to stay out of the current war one way or another. Time to change that.
[] Put Duchess Satine in charge of a diplomatic team and send them on a state wide meet and greet. Not only will this keep her out of your hair but bringing everyone into contact would be a vital first step in forging your new empire. Plus you know money.
Reward: Satine is kept busy -increased odds of success in other actions the downside is she's unavailable-
Your 'diplomats' take advantage of the situation to strike countless minor bargains. Extra income.
[] Use your position in the CNS to link up the various PDFs and force through recruitment and rearmament programs. It'll take time and more money than your comfortable with to get this rolling but it will get you the next best thing to a formal military without the suspicion having one would bring.
Cost: High
Reward: Planetary militias of 'good' quality form on every member planet. Planets with preexisting militaries have these upgraded to good.
Patrol fleets of 'Average' quality form in every major system.
Risk: Satine flips out over the blatant militarisation of the CNS.
Intrigue:
[] Sheev Palpatine a.k.a. Darth Sideous has been steadily gathering emergency powers since the war started and already has more power than the infamous Supreme chancellor Saresh; that said he isn't Emperor yet. Start a shadow war to try to stop or at least slow down his subversion of the Republic. Disinformation, blackmail, bribery, stinky Orlesian cheese. Whatever it takes to bring his political efforts to a halt.
Reward: Delay Order 66. Infuriate Palpatine.
Learning:
[] It's a sad fact that the overall level of technology in the galaxy with few exceptions has gone down since the days of the Cold war. Endless wars and things simply falling out of use the reasons are countless. Send out watcher teams to various parts of the galaxy to try and dig up various old relics. The odds of finding anything genuinely groundbreaking isn't high but at least you can sell any junk to antique dealers.
[] Personal shields: baring a few ancient and irreplaceable relics personal shields have long since died out. Given how invaluable they can be that's flat out unacceptable. While you don't have any suitable companies to do the work in-house you CAN just Hire a Think tank to redevelop the technology for you. It's not a quantum leap either as large scale shield technology still exists you just need to miniaturise it and deal with the radiation issues.
It's becoming increasingly obvious that a new Sith empire is on the horizon and once the Republic/CIS falls the CNS will be next in the firing line as let's face it the Sith have never gotten on well with others. On the bright side you have a one you have a once in a millennia chance to form your own stellar empire if you play your cards right.
Martial:
[] Find an alternate source of battle droids: To say B1 battle droids are of dubious military value is being generous and frankly the 'super' version isn't much better. While they may have been barely sufficient in the past the current conflict will require something vastly superior and preferably not from a group directly under the control of a Sith.
Success chance: 70%
Reward: Battle droids worthy of the name.
Critical reward: Skytroopers direct from Zakuul.
[] You have access to a few design schematics for military equipment acquired from various sources which is great but there's plenty more where that came from. Approach the various arms dealers for better gear.
Possible Rewards: formal contact with arms dealers; options to buy equipment (likely) or designs (unlikely).
Diplomacy
As it stands about the only thing linking the CNS with each other is a determination to stay out of the current war one way or another. Time to change that.
[] Put Duchess Satine in charge of a diplomatic team and send them on a state wide meet and greet. Not only will this keep her out of your hair but bringing everyone into contact would be a vital first step in forging your new empire. Plus you know money.
Reward: Satine is kept busy -increased odds of success in other actions the downside is she's unavailable-
Your 'diplomats' take advantage of the situation to strike countless minor bargains. Extra income.
[] Use your position in the CNS to link up the various PDFs and force through recruitment and rearmament programs. It'll take time and more money than your comfortable with to get this rolling but it will get you the next best thing to a formal military without the suspicion having one would bring.
Cost: High
Reward: Planetary militias of 'good' quality form on every member planet. Planets with preexisting militaries have these upgraded to good.
Patrol fleets of 'Average' quality form in every major system.
Risk: Satine flips out over the blatant militarisation of the CNS.
Intrigue:
[] Sheev Palpatine a.k.a. Darth Sideous has been steadily gathering emergency powers since the war started and already has more power than the infamous Supreme chancellor Saresh; that said he isn't Emperor yet. Start a shadow war to try to stop or at least slow down his subversion of the Republic. Disinformation, blackmail, bribery, stinky Orlesian cheese. Whatever it takes to bring his political efforts to a halt.
Reward: Delay Order 66. Infuriate Palpatine.
Learning:
[] It's a sad fact that the overall level of technology in the galaxy with few exceptions has gone down since the days of the Cold war. Endless wars and things simply falling out of use the reasons are countless. Send out watcher teams to various parts of the galaxy to try and dig up various old relics. The odds of finding anything genuinely groundbreaking isn't high but at least you can sell any junk to antique dealers.
[] Personal shields: baring a few ancient and irreplaceable relics personal shields have long since died out. Given how invaluable they can be that's flat out unacceptable. While you don't have any suitable companies to do the work in-house you CAN just Hire a Think tank to redevelop the technology for you. It's not a quantum leap either as large scale shield technology still exists you just need to miniaturise it and deal with the radiation issues.
- Location
- america
i want it!
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- Canada
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- Tromso, Norway.
I remember reading that the reason that personal shields don't exist anymore isn't that they fell out of favour at some point, but rather because the balance between blaster and shield technology is currently at a point where making a shield that's reliably capable of stopping modern blasters is generally more trouble than it's worth. The ones like the one Kyle has are special ones that are probably worth millions of credits, while droidekas can just ignore the downsides.
From what I heard droidekas where an example of worst of both worlds in regards to shields. They were far too expensive to mass produce in the numbers needed to make 'immune to small/medium blasters' worthwhile. At the same time they weren't any where near powerful enough to block the anti-armour weapons GAR broke out every time they encountered them.
On personal shields according to the legends part of the SW wiki shields had serious issues with radiation/magnetic fields making them unsuitable for organic use.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
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- Right where I want to be
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- He/His/Him
So I heard there were more write-in ideas?
Well...there really aren't any superior models available right now, at least none that are mass-produced. And you have the option of building your own factories for droid units on Kiln right now.
Hm...the thing is though that at this point you likely already have those contacts as is-any more advanced gear would have to be homemade as it were.
Kind of already done.
Hmm...well the CNS military is already semi-organized between the Mandalorian Guardians and the fleets using Thrawn's tactics. Unless you want to go even further?
Was already going to be a thing anyway.
This is covered by the archaeology actions in Lore.
Given the nature of it, that seems legit.
Well...there really aren't any superior models available right now, at least none that are mass-produced. And you have the option of building your own factories for droid units on Kiln right now.
Hm...the thing is though that at this point you likely already have those contacts as is-any more advanced gear would have to be homemade as it were.
Kind of already done.
Hmm...well the CNS military is already semi-organized between the Mandalorian Guardians and the fleets using Thrawn's tactics. Unless you want to go even further?
Was already going to be a thing anyway.
This is covered by the archaeology actions in Lore.
Given the nature of it, that seems legit.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
You seem to have skipped over the idea of getting a double.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
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- Right where I want to be
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- He/His/Him
Right. That's viable, but I think that would be for more counter-assassination things than getting an extra Personal Action given the nature of Ciaran's work.
Edit: Also as a general announcement I realized that in my excitement I forgot to give Cheriss a new trait due to her actions in the last mini-arc. Fixing that right now.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Have to start somewhere. Eventually we might be able to have the double make public speeches for us.
Public speaking is not that complicated of a skill. A lot of people can learn how to do that given time. Especially if they already have a speech prepared beforehand.
Thrawn could also do what he did with Jango. Especially given his new Trait.
Well she's on coruscant right now, so that'd be another action to take.
Dr. Snark
Exactly As Planned...Probably
- Location
- Right where I want to be
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- He/His/Him
Also you kinda sorta don't know she exists at the moment IC. That's also an issue.
Question; could you fix up the way the Threadmarks are organized? Maybe turn the lot of omake into some sort of link-collection and threadmark that?
I've been using threadmarks to keep up with the updates, but I somehow managed to miss the entirety of the most recent mini-arc because the "most recent threadmarks" only showed a bunch of omake, rather than any of the new updates.
Panory
The Omake Dragon
- Location
- New York
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- He/Him
I'm gonna need to get on that then.
Much. Much further. Currently to my knowledge the CNS self defence forces are a hodge podge mixture of local forces with varying quality and equipment and an organisation that can be generously be described as eclectic. Which is basically what you'd expect given a millennium of peace and resources obtained solely from local sources. E.g. at the top end you have Eldersfief an industrial world that has maintained a decent military since the days of the old republic. On the bottom end you have Cadia which hasn't had a real government since Yoda was a child let alone a militia.
My suggestion involves A) requiring every system raise an actual PDF of reasonable size B) Major systems putting together a military grade patrol fleet C) Setting up standardised training and gear. D) Setting up a comms network between systems to coordinate reaponses in crisis.
It's not an army but It's pretty damn close and the sort of thing that would drive Satine to apocalytic fury if she found out (she's already unhappy about the current militarisation). Naturally this would take ages and require huge amounts of cash to get rolling.
Think the JSDF for a real life example.
We already did.
We actually have a bit more than that. I'll post previous actions & turn results that affect the CNS military, but there is a central command structure, which we basically control; we are actively recruiting (from our refugee camps) for Planetary Defense Forces and 'CNS Militia'; and between our own funding and Dooku's bribes to draw the Outer Rim systems into the CIS, they're actually fairly well armed.
To review:
A Brief History of the CNS Military
First, we funded the Outer Rim Colonial Defence League -- a quasi-predecessor to the CIS, but one that originated from a desire for anti-piracy operations.
Unfortunately, it's described as 'ramshackle'. OTOH, @Teron ruled that this follow-up omake was canon:
Those starfighters & frigates & cruisers & stations were the bribe Dooku paid to draw the ORCDF, and they were described as 'underwhelming' compared to the fleet we provided them. Which makes all this sound pretty damn powerful for all that it's called 'ramshackle.'
My take on things is that 'ramshackle' is a relative thing. Certainly the Outer Rim couldn't stand up to the planetary defense forces around Coruscant or another world in the Core or Colonies (that Ciaran would be more familiar with), but remarkably impressive compared to where those Outer Rim systems were rated originally.
As for command organization... well, here you go:
And then we established our control over things:
And then we recruited for the CNS military out of our own refugee camps -- that is, our infiltration now expands to both the command structure and to the rank-and-file.
Finally, for their first official action -- an anti-piracy operation -- we had Thrawn take direct command (despite some initial difficulties):
And over the next few months, the CNS fleet took those lessons and tactics from Thrawn to utterly thrash any remaining pirates in the area.
All told: the CNS has flexed its muscles and pretty much everyone acknowledges that it can defend itself. Obviously it couldn't stand up to all-out war against both the Republic and CIS, and it'd probably struggle valiantly against either one individually -- but as long as the Republic and CIS are mainly focused on each other, the CNS should be able to hold its own.
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As the actual write-in requests:
rodent of unusual size err, "PDF of reasonable size." We can try to encourage recruitment efforts within single planets, but I think our best bet is to rather focus on recruiting systems and sectors, especially from the (much more populous) Mid Rim. Given the difference in how the Mid Rim v. Outer Rim are governed (it was a year-long scandal when one Mid Rim sector experienced conflict; meanwhile, about half the Outer Rim is owned outright by slave-trading Hutts and no one bats an eye), I think it's fair to say that the military baseline for the Mid Rim would be at least at the same level of the Outer Rim systems after receiving our 'fleet' funding and Dooku's bribes.
B) "Military-grade patrol fleet" -- pretty sure the CNS already runs regular patrols, and pretty sure their tactics are military-grade given who they learned from (cough best military strategist in the frickin' galaxy cough), so the only real need is to ensure they acquire better/more ships & better equipment. See below.
C) "Standardized training and gear" -- Also see below.
D) "Comms network... to coordinate responses" -- see info-post above: this is already done.
Now for B) and C) -- if we want better ships, more ships, and/or better equipment for our troops, we have a few options:
A) I'm not sure most of the Outer Rim worlds would actually have the population for a
B) "Military-grade patrol fleet" -- pretty sure the CNS already runs regular patrols, and pretty sure their tactics are military-grade given who they learned from (cough best military strategist in the frickin' galaxy cough), so the only real need is to ensure they acquire better/more ships & better equipment. See below.
C) "Standardized training and gear" -- Also see below.
D) "Comms network... to coordinate responses" -- see info-post above: this is already done.
Now for B) and C) -- if we want better ships, more ships, and/or better equipment for our troops, we have a few options:
- Buy stuff from Republic or Separatist companies -- spend money, get equipment. We might be able to secure 'favors' from the manufacturers (for giving our business to them), but I'm not convinced they'd be worth it. My least preferred option
- Buy stuff from Neutral companies -- better (the benefit would go to the CNS economy) but still not ideal for our balance sheet
- Deal with Republic/Separatist companies, so that supplying the CNS is part of the deal that would let them expand to factories & facilities in Neutral Space. To take an example: say we negotiate with Incom, to build a Z-95 Headhunter manufacturing plant on Taris. Lady Ciaran would receive a partial ownership share (income in the form of dividends) in exchange for subsidizing plant construction (flat cost) or by promising tax credits for the move (less income/less reputation gain). As part of the same deal, we would also negotiate a contract between the CNS and Incom, for most of the new factory's Headhunters to be sold to CNS-affiliated systems for reduced cost. Incom receives guaranteed demand, CNS receives guaranteed supply; Incom boosts its starship sales, CNS gains a stronger military backbone. Win-win.
- Deal with Neutral companies -- basically the same as the above, except we'd be negotiating with companies like MandalMotors or Venaari Enterprises or Valahari Shipworks or one of the dozen other local shipyards or companies around the CNS
- Finally, we could just increase our Kiln production (or build our own factories on Taris) to provide some of the equipment needed. The benefit would be considerably more long-term income; the drawback would be that we would be able to supply everyone as quickly as more established companies. Also, certain parties might wonder why a humanitarian like Lady Ciaran would have access to such impressive military equipment.