Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
[X] [Channel] Oz
[X] [EA] Donate money to Bradley Covington's campaign
[X] [EA] Run ads for Bradley Covington
[X] [Media] Handshake
[X] [LAK] Further pinpointing on the mystery element in Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Differences between Red and Green Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Improved output for Kryptonite batteries
[X] [LAK] Kryptonite's magical signature
[X] [Bane] Offer to pay Bane a large sum of money for Vincent Edge
[X] [Bane] Write-in: Turn down Bane's offer gratefully. Try to persuade General Eiling to let his good friend, Oswald Loomis, confront Edge now that Edge is in US government custody.
[X] [ICU] Save Ivo's life with no strings attached
[X] [ICU] Save Ivo's life but install a tracker in him
[X] [Interview] Accept an interview with Lois Lane
 
I mean, he plans to make up for that with spending literally the rest of eternity in a robot body powerful enough to twist Superman into a pretzel, and he might actually pull it off if we helped him very very hard, so... eh.

That argument might have swayed me before. But with the big set back AMAZO got from that last failure, I don't think that's feasible.
 
[X] Modified SImon Jester's Plan.
[X] [Channel] Oz
[X] [EA] Run ads for Bradley Covington
[X] [Media] Handshake
[X] [LAK] Further pinpointing on the mystery element in Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Differences between Red and Green Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Kryptonite's magical signature
[X] [Bane] Offer to pay Bane a large sum of money for Vincent Edge
[X] [Bane] Write-in: Turn down Bane's offer gratefully. Try to persuade General Eiling to let his good friend, Oswald Loomis, confront Edge now that Edge is in US government custody.
[X] [ICU] Save Ivo's life with no strings attached
[X] [Interview] Accept an interview with Lois Lane
 
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Why are you people voting for more than one thing for Ivo? I'm pretty sure it's only supposed to be for one thing
 
[X] [ICU] Let Ivo die

The man is a selfish egotistic asshole who seeks to make others as miserable as himself, has caused the deaths of five people,and was so self absorbed that he did not consider the effects of experimenting with anti matter on a populated area it is best we put him down.

Also something to consider what would our other heroes think about us saving ivo's life after he caused the deaths of five other people?
 
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And i wonder how they would think about us letting an employee of ours die because he was no longer convenient to keep around?
The people who hate or dislike ivo outway the person who like him 20:1 also it isn't that he is "inconvenient" to keep around it is that he has caused a huge pr disaster on lex corp and killed 5 other scientists we can use him as an example of what happens if you go too far, aside from dahl the others would lose no sleep over his death.
 
Hell notice how pamela was positively ecstatic that ivo was going to die that should tell you about how our other heroes feel about ivo
 
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[X] [Channel] Oz
[X] [Media] Handshake
[X] [LAK] Kryptonite laser beams
[X] [LAK] Differences between Red and Green Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Further pinpointing on the mystery element in Kryptonite
[X] [EA] Donate money to Bradley Covington's campaign
[X] [Bane] Turn Down Bane's offer
[X] [ICU] Let Ivo die
[X] [Interview] Accept an interview with Lois Lane

I played with idea to let Ivo live, but he indirectly killed our employees with no real gain and attracted unwanted attention to LexCorp madscience side.
 
That argument might have swayed me before. But with the big set back AMAZO got from that last failure, I don't think that's feasible.
You misunderstand.

My point is that I don't feel much pity for him, given that he had a quasi-realistic ambition of getting a much, MUCH better deal out of his "being terminally ill" condition than the many many other humans who have been terminally ill throughout history.

The people who hate or dislike ivo outway the person who like him 20:1 also it isn't that he is "inconvenient" to keep around it is that he has caused a huge pr disaster on lex corp and killed 5 other scientists we can use him as an example of what happens if you go too far, aside from dahl the others would lose no sleep over his death.
I mean, I wasn't actually planning on telling anyone we were letting him die.

It shouldn't be that hard to let him die deniably, given how much active labor by how many people will be required to keep him alive under the circumstances.

Hell notice how pamela was positively ecstatic that ivo was going to die that should tell you about how our other heroes feel about ivo
Uhhhh.

Well firstly Pamela is one of our crazier hero units, it's just that her crazy has manifested as fanatical pro-Lex-ism in this timeline instead of radical eco-terrorist plantism (?) and misandry.

Secondly... I'm not actually doubting where you said that, but where did you find that?
 
[X] [Channel] Oz
Cause why not?

[X] [Media] Handshake
Very Luthor of us, I approve.

[X] [LAK] Enchantability of Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Further pinpointing on the mystery element in Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Improved output for Kryptonite batteries

I just figure Lex would end up looking at these things more. He has no reason to really develop laser beams with an incredibly rare substance anyway.

[X] [EA] Donate money to Bradley Covington's campaign
As we, low key, do get involved in military matters quite a bit, anyone who gets suspicious of Lex's outright endorsement of a Pro-military candidate is going to cause people to investigate the link more closely and I don't exactly trust the good general to pass all his intrigue rolls. Consistantly, it has been proven that local candidates with larger budgets end up winning elections so a sizable donation will not only simply be more innocuous, effective and our name would merely be in a file somewhere rather than on the late night news.
If Bradley was also a pro-business candidate it would be far less interesting to others if we publicly endorsed him.

[X] [Bane] Offer to give Bane a large cache of state of the art weapons in exchange for Vincent Edge
I was tempted either offering money or weapons for Vincent but in the end, I had to go weapons. The money was likely going to go to buying guns for his new regime anyway but probably things like old AKs instead of the things we can get. For me, this choice isn't actually about Vincent but rather Bane. He gave us first call at a very important prisoner, beyond actually furthering his legitimacy in his own country. Yes, its a win for him anyway, but its an opportunity for us. I'm sure he would accept the money too but this is about wooing Bane (disturbing imagery aside). Our former contractor is now in control of a country that was the main base of an alien backed gang for years. Having a good relationship with the man in charge could prove beneficial.
If not, good relations would probably allow us more freedom in his country, allowing us more profits if we expand there.

Good relationships are always worth maintaining.

[X] [ICU] Save Ivo's life but install a tracker in him
I'm not vote shaming here, but I'm surprised people would vote to let Ivo straight up die. Considering everyone in our company knows we are currently sponsoring him, saving him will tell the others, "If the boss is going to lengths to save this ass then he must really care for us all." And they would slightly be right. I do care for Ivo at least a little bit and with how much progress AMAZO has made already I want to make sure his Backup is at least ready before he finally kicks it. The tracker is actually for his saftey imo than any chance of betrayal on his part. I want to be able to find him at a moment's notice if he should be suffering another organ failure. If we can't locate him fast enough then its possible he could die before we could get to him again. We've gone this far on AMAZO already, I kind of want to see it through.

[X] [Interview] Refuse an interview with Lois Lane

This is tempting but I thought we already had an exclusivity deal with Vicky Vale. If this is breaking the deal then I'd rather keep to our commitments.
 
Pamela decided to try and relax a bit. Moon was out in the cold, Ivo was dead or dying and Lex was leading humanity to its glorious future. So she decided to let her hair down a bit and sunbathe for a while. Her unique biology allowed her to draw sustenance from the sun and so she could just relax and soak up the suns rays. Everything was going according to plan.
@Simon_Jester Here notice how she equates ivo dying to following lex and moon being sent to alaska

I'm not vote shaming here, but I'm surprised people would vote to let Ivo straight up die. Considering everyone in our company knows we are currently sponsoring him, saving him will tell the others, "If the boss is going to lengths to save this ass then he must really care for us all." And they would slightly be right. I do care for Ivo at least a little bit and with how much progress AMAZO has made already I want to make sure his Backup is at least ready before he finally kicks it. The tracker is actually for his saftey imo than any chance of betrayal on his part. I want to be able to find him at a moment's notice if he should be suffering another organ failure. If we can't locate him fast enough then its possible he could die before we could get to him again. We've gone this far on AMAZO already, I kind of want to see it through.
That analogy only works if the person said boss is saving got into trouble due to outside sources and did not kill other people due to his own calousness what the workers will be thinking is "Why is the boss saving that asshole when he killed five other people working for him? He must see him as above us" that will instead foster resentment.
 
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I think it's worth keeping Ivo around and have him work on Amazo till he drops, get him to push back the regressed work to close where we were originally and then make him work on actions to reduce the DC and when his body fails him again let him die.
 
I think it's worth keeping Ivo around and have him work on Amazo till he drops, get him to push back the regressed work to close where we were originally and then make him work on actions to reduce the DC and when his body fails him again let him die.
Problem is he does not want to work on other actions aside from amazo and that the closer he is to dying the more fanatical he is about completing it.
 
Hell notice how pamela was positively ecstatic that ivo was going to die that should tell you about how our other heroes feel about ivo
Nothing about Pamela should tell you how our other heroes feel. But yes I doubt anyone but Marie would care.
Also something to consider what would our other heroes think about us saving ivo's life after he caused the deaths of five other people?
There's room to keep him alive just to more comprehensively throw him under the bus. Go into the Lois Lane interview with "It's all Ivo's fault, he'll probably confirm himself at some point in an unhinged rant about how everyone but him is incompetent, here's his room number, and while you're there let him know he's fired and we won't be protecting him from whatever criminal charges he's subject to."

Letting Ivo die might be convenient, but him dying and also blaming him for the explosion might be seen as too convenient, and I really want to blame him for the explosion.

[X] [Channel] Globe
[X] [Channel] LBC
[X] [Media] Handshake
[X] [LAK] Enchantability of Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Further pinpointing on the mystery element in Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Improved output for Kryptonite batteries
[X] [EA] Run ads for Bradley Covington
[X] [Bane] Write-in: Turn down Bane's offer gratefully. Try to persuade General Eiling to let his good friend, Oswald Loomis, confront Edge now that Edge is in US government custody.
[] [ICU] Save Ivo's life with no strings attached
[X] [Interview] Accept an interview with Lois Lane

[X] [ICU] Let Ivo die
 
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I played with idea to let Ivo live, but he indirectly killed our employees with no real gain and attracted unwanted attention to LexCorp madscience side.
I'd actually be willing to let ALL of that slide normally (since all that was simply a consequence of a bad die roll and assigning him to a task that he had a high chance of failing anyway).

The catch is that, well... realistically, Ivo is suffering some kind of organ failure every turn these days, it seems like. Even if we keep kidnapping transplant donors to keep him alive (which is why he's still alive now), sooner or later someone's probably going to blow a "Learning" check or "get him to the hospital fast enough" check and we'll lose him. So I don't think we can expect many more turns of A.M.A.Z.O. from him. Nor do I think he'll live long enough for us to lower the DC enough to bring us back to the good old days when we could throw him at the project all by himself and expect progress or at least non-catastrophic failure.

Furthermore, there is the lingering problem of what our endgame is if he wins; if the project is complete or nearly complete we end up with an ultrapowerful robot Ivo who hates and is hated by pretty much everyone. That might be bad for, say, Superman, but it's probably also bad for us, and we're at Ground Zero of whatever he does.

[] [Channel] Oz
Cause why not?
Well, we CAN probably pay off the estate of L. Frank Baum if we need to. I'd rather not have to, but we could.

[] [EA] Donate money to Bradley Covington's campaign
As we, low key, do get involved in military matters quite a bit, anyone who gets suspicious of Lex's outright endorsement of a Pro-military candidate is going to cause people to investigate the link more closely and I don't exactly trust the good general to pass all his intrigue rolls. Consistantly, it has been proven that local candidates with larger budgets end up winning elections so a sizable donation will not only simply be more innocuous, effective and our name would merely be in a file somewhere rather than on the late night news.
If Bradley was also a pro-business candidate it would be far less interesting to others if we publicly endorsed him.
He's not so much pro-business as pro-military. Anyway, it would hardly be surprising if we go to his wine cave or whatever. I mean, shit, we're an American billionaire, we're allowed to get away with the level of supervillainy real American billionaires already get up to. It might even give us better plausible deniability if we do, because it gives people like Lois Lane something to attack instead of making them wonder what we're hiding.

[] [Bane] Offer to give Bane a large cache of state of the art weapons in exchange for Vincent Edge
I was tempted either offering money or weapons for Vincent but in the end, I had to go weapons. The money was likely going to go to buying guns for his new regime anyway but probably things like old AKs instead of the things we can get. For me, this choice isn't actually about Vincent but rather Bane. He gave us first call at a very important prisoner, beyond actually furthering his legitimacy in his own country. Yes, its a win for him anyway, but its an opportunity for us. I'm sure he would accept the money too but this is about wooing Bane (disturbing imagery aside). Our former contractor is now in control of a country that was the main base of an alien backed gang for years. Having a good relationship with the man in charge could prove beneficial.
If not, good relations would probably allow us more freedom in his country, allowing us more profits if we expand there.
The problem is that Bane showed little interest in Intergang weaponry himself. If he wanted to equip himself with advanced weapons, he's had plenty of chances to do so, and Intergang's kit is as good or better than ours as I understand it. I'd rather just give him cash; I suspect that he'd rather accept cash (which he could in theory use to buy weapons from us) than weapons (that he can't really trade for anything else at a fair exchange rate).

With that said I am totally into the idea of building up positive working relations with Supreme Generalissimo Bane (who may well have found something else more interesting than taking on the Batman now, since this makes him the overlord of a whole country). Having another friend like Count Vertigo is probably going to pay off.

(You know, weirdly, the two words that translate from Spanish as 'bane' best, 'plaga' and 'perdicion,' are both feminine. I'm kind of confused by this)

[] [ICU] Save Ivo's life but install a tracker in him
I'm not vote shaming here, but I'm surprised people would vote to let Ivo straight up die. Considering everyone in our company knows we are currently sponsoring him, saving him will tell the others, "If the boss is going to lengths to save this ass then he must really care for us all." And they would slightly be right. I do care for Ivo at least a little bit and with how much progress AMAZO has made already I want to make sure his Backup is at least ready before he finally kicks it. The tracker is actually for his saftey imo than any chance of betrayal on his part. I want to be able to find him at a moment's notice if he should be suffering another organ failure. If we can't locate him fast enough then its possible he could die before we could get to him again. We've gone this far on AMAZO already, I kind of want to see it through.
Firstly, remember that his fuckup killed several other employees. Our rank and file mooks will probably feel LESS safe and loyal knowing that a mad scientist whose fuckups kill them is going to get off the hook.

Secondly, we have every chance of being able to deniably let him die, because, well... he's a terminal disease patient with some kind of multiple organ failure. Death is exactly what would normally happen in a case like his. We're not going to tell the bulk of our employees "we let Ivo die because he failed us for the last time and killed a bunch of people and embarrassed us." We're going to tell our employees "Nobel laureate Anthony Ives passed away of multiple organ failure" and almost everyone who ever met him will shrug and say "good riddance."

If all he wanted was a 'normal' robot body I would sympathize with him more and be more open to letting him finish his project, but just as A.M.A.Z.O. is absurdly powerful, it makes the problem of what happens if he succeeds all the more troubling.

[] [Interview] Refuse an interview with Lois Lane
This is tempting but I thought we already had an exclusivity deal with Vicky Vale. If this is breaking the deal then I'd rather keep to our commitments.
That was a one-time deal, not a long-term deal. It's been years; it would be really weird for any single person as prominent and rich as Lex Luthor to maintain that kind of deal for that long. It makes Lex something of a recluse, honestly.

I think it's worth keeping Ivo around and have him work on Amazo till he drops, get him to push back the regressed work to close where we were originally and then make him work on actions to reduce the DC and when his body fails him again let him die.
Remember that "making Ivo work" on A.M.A.Z.O. if the DC is still high can backfire horribly, as we just saw. The only way to be confident of avoiding another similar disaster would be for us to stack up hero units (i.e. Lex+???+Ivo) and assist him in rolling an exploding crit.

Well, that or to put him to work on DC reduction, but we've already seen that we get about one turn of that before he rebels and goes back to A.M.A.Z.O. no matter HOW hard it is.

Nothing about Pamela should tell you how our other heroes feel. But yes I doubt anyone but Marie would care.

There's room to keep him alive just to more comprehensively throw him under the bus. Go into the Lois Lane interview with "It's all Ivo's fault, he'll probably confirm himself at some point in an unhinged rant about how everyone but him is incompetent, here's his room number, and while you're there let him know he's fired and we won't be protecting him from whatever criminal charges he's subject to."

Letting Ivo die might be convenient, but him dying and also blaming him for the explosion might be seen as too convenient, and I really want to blame him for the explosion.
That is... hilariously appropriate, so much so that I'm deleting my "let Ivo die" vote, if not actually flipping to "let Ivo live" based on this argument alone.
 
@King crimson can we do what @Torgamous said and let ivo live only to throw him under the bus later?
Yes. Granted it would mean you'd need to throw him under the bus later in a separate vote from the one on whether he lives or dies (like in a Lois interview or a public statement you can clearly say "this was all Ivo's fault" and then fire him to throw him under the bus).

(You know, weirdly, the two words that translate from Spanish as 'bane' best, 'plaga' and 'perdicion,' are both feminine. I'm kind of confused by this)
Bane's name is in English. He grew up speaking multiple languages due to many of the prisoners being from other countries (he speaks Spanish, English, French, German and Portuguese fluently). As such his name is literally Bane as opposed to having been translated.

Other than that the best answer I can give you is that Bane is secure enough in his masculinity to be in touch with his feminine side. At a certain point no one gave him shit for it since he could just murder them.

But yeah Santa Prisca had weirdly named people in it. Like Bane's lieutenants are named Birdy, Zombie and Trogg which is just odd all around.
 
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I'd actually be willing to let ALL of that slide normally (since all that was simply a consequence of a bad die roll and assigning him to a task that he had a high chance of failing anyway).

The catch is that, well... realistically, Ivo is suffering some kind of organ failure every turn these days, it seems like. Even if we keep kidnapping transplant donors to keep him alive (which is why he's still alive now), sooner or later someone's probably going to blow a "Learning" check or "get him to the hospital fast enough" check and we'll lose him. So I don't think we can expect many more turns of A.M.A.Z.O. from him. Nor do I think he'll live long enough for us to lower the DC enough to bring us back to the good old days when we could throw him at the project all by himself and expect progress or at least non-catastrophic failure.

Furthermore, there is the lingering problem of what our endgame is if he wins; if the project is complete or nearly complete we end up with an ultrapowerful robot Ivo who hates and is hated by pretty much everyone. That might be bad for, say, Superman, but it's probably also bad for us, and we're at Ground Zero of whatever he does.
Well, we failed roll yes, but how any failure plays depends on situation and hero in question, so it's his fault too. So, let's say farewell to Dr. Ivo.😢
I only lament that we didn't have 'freeze for later use' option, it'd have been optimal decision.:evil2:
 
[X] [LAK] Kryptonite's reaction to magic
[X] [LAK] Further pinpointing on the mystery element in Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Knowledge of how to make artificial kryptonite with magic
[X] [EA] Donate money to Bradley Covington's campaign
[X] [Bane] Offer to pay Bane a large sum of money for Vincent Edge
[X] [ICU] Save Ivo's life but install a tracker in him
Why are you people voting for more than one thing for Ivo? I'm pretty sure it's only supposed to be for one thing
Approval voting. Vote for as many as you like, only one will win
 
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Remember that "making Ivo work" on A.M.A.Z.O. if the DC is still high can backfire horribly, as we just saw. The only way to be confident of avoiding another similar disaster would be for us to stack up hero units (i.e. Lex+???+Ivo) and assist him in rolling an exploding crit.

Well, that or to put him to work on DC reduction, but we've already seen that we get about one turn of that before he rebels and goes back to A.M.A.Z.O. no matter HOW hard it is.
Oh I get it can go wrong but I also imagine with the regression we've experienced the DC might be low enough for him and Marie and some other hero's to get a exploding crit to get it back to close to how we were originally or better if the crit is high enough

We can't get that if we let him die easily however, him dying means his DC reduction is gone and Amazo will slowly reach back to the point where Lex and half our hero's will have to go back on it unless we take a lot of DC reducing actions (which we still plan to do but we could possbile put it off the longer we keep him alive till he drops again)

So let's keep him alive, await him on Amazo to try and crit it, get an exploding crit and make him take an DC reducing action then once he does said action and he's pissed off at us make him have a allergic reaction, that would be an easy way to ensure he's back in hospital and let him pass.
 
I was also under the impression that we made a deal with Ms. Vale to let her have the exclusives or first rights to our interviews - and that it was more than a one time thing (if I am mistaken, I apologize). I'd rather not be known as a deal breaker.

Also, no matter what Lois will constantly investigate us. There is little benefit to give one of our few interviews to a hostile reporter rather than the friendlier one.

As to Oz " why not"? Well, first, Frank Baum's estate still has the rights to the Wizard of Oz, so we will have to deal with that. Meanwhile, universal has the rights to the film so they could release things that may be confusing just to f with us.

But, also, Oz is famous for trickery and deceit. "Look not at the man behind the curtain". I believe that we probably don't want our media empire to be associated with trickery, have to take another company to court, and have to make a deal with the author's family to even use the name.

None of the other name selections have these slew of issues. Oz is, frankly, a choice that just seeks to make more issues when we are trying to deal with the ones we already have.
 
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[X] [Channel] LBC
[X] [Media] Handshake
[X] [LAK] Kryptonite's reaction to magic
[X] [LAK] Enchantability of Kryptonite
[X] [LAK] Differences between Red and Green Kryptonite
[X] [EA] Donate money to Bradley Covington's campaign
[X] [Bane] Turn Down Bane's offer
[X] [ICU] Let Ivo die
[X] [Interview] Accept an interview with Lois Lane
 
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