Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
Once again Emily Rice shows that she struggles in dealing with a student who fundamentally does not want to learn from her. While she has gotten far better at cajoling and working around Jinx, the girl's dislike of her and disinterest in subjects that are not literature or writing play against that heavily. Emily hopes to get Jinx to the point where she could pass a GED test but states that it will take quite a while for her to get to that level. On the bright side Jinx has definitively learned Algebra and so is at least making progress in that direction even if it is rather slow.

Results: Jinx learned basic algebra and the beginning of how exponents work.
Ugh, yeah. If she's grudgingly attaining only barely that level, it's gonna be a while before she can pass state tests in Maryland. This is specifically my area of expertise, and Jinx is about four grade levels south of where she needs to be.

Then again, she's what, twelve?

Bradford Sackett
[ ] Take a short walk off a tall building
DC 0
Auto-success

In response to all of the pressure and the desire to investigate himself it has seemed that Bradford Sackett has cracked ended up committing suicide to escape the pressure. He ended up jumping off of the roof of the capitol building in broad daylight. However there are a few things that seem fishy about his suicide especially considering all of the papers in his office were then found missing. Still Bradford Sackett is definitively out of the way

Results: Bradford Sackett is deceased. The option to investigate Sackett's death will be available next turn
Investigate Sackett's death, eh?

This needs doing. We know for a fact that there's an invisible man on the loose because one tried to strangle Lois Lane. And frankly Lois Lane is a lot more of a badass than Bradford Sackett. It's entirely possible that Blindspot, or his employer, is systematically gaming Metropolis politics.

This is an important conclusion. SOMEONE, some unknown player, is interfering in Metropolis politics. They had enough leverage over the mayor to make him pass a rather ill-conceived gun control law that would cause him more trouble than it's worth. They had the means to either coerce Sackett into committing suicide, or assassinate him in a way that would look like suicide (again, Blindspot could do this pretty easily).

And they're not Lex, and they're not Whale, and we have no idea who they are. The principle of parsimony suggests that Blindspot probably works for them, though he might have been pursuing an entirely independent grudge.

The US Government
[ ] Launch Mars mission
DC 100
Roll 140
Major success

The US government has finally begun to launch the work you had consulted with NASA on. With the backdoors you installed into the device you are sure to begin receiving a steady stream of data on the red planet without anyone else being aware of it. The US government for its part has another feather in its cap and there are talks of potentially sending a manned mission to Mars if everything goes well.

Results: Satellite launched
OK. 6-18 months (2-6 turns) before it arrives, if it's following a normal transfer orbit.

Also. ALSO!

Kryptonite power supply for ion thrusters! We can use that for deep-space exploration, though it's grossly inferior to the potential of the alien tech once we work on that.

[Seriously, there are an insane number of applications for a relatively compact power supply capable of generating double-digit kilowatt power from a glowing green rock that lasts for years]

[ ] Wage War on Santa Prisca
DC 156
Roll 401 (with hero bonuses factored in)
Absolutely incredible success

The United States government has finally mobilized its forces to begin taking on Santa Prisca. The small South American country is currently no match for the US armed forces and is rapidly losing ground. Furthermore the US is able to arm small groups of insurgents to cause even more problems for the Santa Priscan government and send them into the line of fire. So fare the war is going very well.

Results: US is solidly beating Santa Prisca in the war and are effectively arming insurgent groups to further destabilize the country and cut down its supply lines. At the current projected rate the Santa Priscan government is likely to capitulate within a year.
...I am honestly surprised they're even lasting a year. Unless that includes the time it takes to dig the last government-in-exile guys out of hidden bunkers in the mountain-jungles of the interior. Sort of like how Iraq collapsed within a month or two in 2003, but it took a while after that to find Saddam Hussein.

[ ] Reveal Ignition's confession to the world
DC 0
Roll 84
Critical and influential success

Upon resigning himself to US custody Ignition has revealed some very important secrets. As it turns out Ignition is a man who ducked out of the "Rocket Red" program in Russia and stole a prototype suit. He then went on to reveal that Russia has even more of these suits available to use. These suits are developed using the work of T.O. Morrow and are arguably even more dangerous than the suit Ignition has. The US government has since disseminated this knowledge and played on old Cold War fears turning the rest of the world against Russia for its secret construction of dangerous superweapons while also quietly attempting to jumpstart its own super-soldier programs.

Results: Rocket Red program revealed to the world. World turns against Russia. US government begins giving increased funding to super-soldier projects to ensure they remain competitive with Russia
OK, so everything is basically as I suspected except that the Russians' advanced power armor tech is more sophisticated than I had believed.

The good news is, this means the US government is going to be wanting power armor of their own. And since this is DCQU and not MQU, that means they're going to go shopping for Lex Luthor to provide them with it. Which in turn means we've got a guaranteed market for arbitrarily advanced kryptonite-powered battlesuits. :D

Also, this probably does indeed tie into Avruskin's grand plan. The plan is to basically restart the Cold War by making the Russians look like a big threat, using Ignition to demonstrate just how scary the Red Rocket Brigade*
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*(sorry, but I can believe the USSR having a "Red Rocket Brigade," "Rocket Red" just sounds like a dumb name some 70s comic book writer would make up for a Soviet military super).

Tobias Whale
[ ] Send a message to Lex Luthor
DC 109
Roll 141 (with hero bonuses factored in)
Significant success

Tobias Whale is not doing well ever since you hired Lady Vic to kill him. The former kingpin of Metropolis crime has been fleeing the city and burying his tracks. However he still has managed to make use of his resources to send a pointed threat to you. If you do not call off the assassin you sent to kill him. Tobias Whale will release all the evidence he has of your own wrongdoings. To show he is serious about this he included a tape in the package he sent that contains a recording of his conversation with Pamela when you agreed to make a deal with him and states that he has more. This his turned out to be a mess but the fact that Tobias Whale is playing a card as devastating as this now shows that you've made him desperate.

Results: Down with the Ship subvote
Huh.

He may be bluffing about having more, but then again, he may not. I'm prepared to take the chance. I was hoping that we could go for a decapitation strike that would put him out of commission before he could pull something like this, but that didn't pan out and Whale was prepared.

I say we agree to call off Lady Vic on the condition that Whale stay out of Metropolis; he's gotten too big for his britches. We can try to find some other way to neutralize his preparations to blackmail us later, but for now he's got a pretty good counter-weapon against us.

Unknown Individual
[ ] Tap into the Lex-Phone Network
DC 356
Roll 364 (with hero bonuses factored in)
Bare success

Some unknown individual has managed to tap into your network in order to listen in on peoples conversations. You have no idea who it is or how they have achieved such a feat but you are aware that they were not skilled enough to hide their presence from you. You now are at a crossroads. Either you can immediately track down this individual or you can gather more information on them or you can increase your networks security. It is up to you how things go from here.

Results: Someone taps into the L-Phone network to listen in on peoples conversations. Tracking the Tapper subvote.
Hm. I want to find this person. I strongly suspect we're up against one of the following:

1) An Oracle-tier hacker, be they 'white hat' hero or 'black hat' villain.
2) The US federal government (the NSA, probably, but I'm surprised they didn't just show up at our front door and ask for access to the network).
3) An artificial intelligence of Earthly origin, that is trying to gather information for a patron or controller.
4) An independent AI of Earthly origin, trying to gather information for its own reasons.
4) Brainiac

Also, we should release a new model of phone with entirely different backdoors, in addition to any other security changes we make- "Improve phones" somewhere in the next turn or two.

Daphne Dean
[ ] Direct a movie
DC 47
Roll 68 + 16 (Daphne stewardship stat) = 84
Significant success

Daphne Dean has used the resources of Lightyear Entertainment to begin her directorial debut. With it she has created the movie titled "The Curse of the Atomic Skull". This movie stars a character who would appear as the villain in any other movie, fighting a battle against a villain who looks closer to the traditional male lead and is empowered with super-strength, speed and flight. The movie is relatively campy but has some interesting themes and ideas to explore. Test audiences seemed to enjoy the movie. Now all that remains is to decide what to do with it.

Results: The Curse of the Atomic Skull created. Releasing movies subvote.
Nice. :D

*twitch*

All in favor of increasing the Security of the Lex-Phone network until the DC to tap it is at least 1000?
I'm in favor. On the other hand, shit like this happens in real life probably. If we're going to secure our phones better (against everyone who isn't, well, us), then we need to start by figuring out who this person is and how they did it. It may well be that this took the entire NSA, or Brainiac, to hack our phones, because a 364 on the die roll strongly suggests either a concerted effort by a collaboration of hacker hero units, or absurdly lucky dice for a single individual.

So we need to know what level of threat it took to break our security, who did it, and how.

Huh, why did we vote to assassinate him again? I only check the results so it slips my mind.
Because he was asking for more, quite a bit more, more than we thought we could get away with giving him, from his side of our bargain. Killing him would have tied up a loose end.

Unfortunately, Lady Vic's attempt to assassinate him with a bazooka only wounded him, and his bodyguard detachment included enough tough customers to fight a rearguard action and stop her from finishing him off.

Person tapping into our phones could be Batman. We should probably start our investigation non-violently until we find out who it is.
I mean, by default our investigation is going to involve a lot of computer stuff and detective work. We can't investigate violently until we know who to use the violence ON.

Remember that it's entirely possible that the trail of breadcrumbs will lead back to, say, the NSA- someone we'd be very unwise to attack.

Also we should probably send bigger guns after Whale.
Ehhhh. If he has a blackmail dossier on us that would reveal us to have been conspiring with him, we might want to consider a truce. He can damage us with that. On the other hand, he has an incentive NOT to try to use the blackmail information to force too many concessions out of us. Because we can probably survive the hit from the blackmail dossier unless it includes stuff worse than what he's already shared, but if he gives us a reason to send assassins after him again, he may not survive the experience.

Put Smoak on it. Meanwhile, we need more manpower
We can always use more resources.

The big thing I want to point out is that it's not necessarily a good use of our resources to stack up infinitely high security on the L-Phones. We could use the Felicity actions that would take to start new Internet businesses that will make us hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions.

More security, sure. Close the specific loopholes used by the mystery hacker, sure. But that's not an unlimited commitment, anymore than we should be spending an action every turn fortifying our tower.

Well, technically we already did. I think we should just have our magic users buff Lady Vic with "Blessings of the Hunt" type spells or just have Cerise Scry Whale for her.
Again, the problem is that Whale has already probably set up a 'dead man's switch' system whereby if he dies, his blackmail material goes public. He has to know we could try to assassinate him with more force than we used last time. Now that he's had time to prepare a countermeasure, that countermeasure will probably go into action as a 'fuck Lex Luthor anyway' move even if we succeed in blowing through his physical security.

It comes down to a question of how much we want him dead, as opposed to how much we want him out of our nonexistent hair and leaving us alone.
 
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Again, the problem is that Whale has already probably set up a 'dead man's switch' system whereby if he dies, his blackmail material goes public. He has to know we could try to assassinate him with more force than we used last time. Now that he's had time to prepare a countermeasure, that countermeasure will probably go into action as a 'fuck Lex Luthor anyway' move even if we succeed in blowing through his physical security.

It comes down to a question of how much we want him dead, as opposed to how much we want him out of our nonexistent hair and leaving us alone.
Unfortunate. We have yet to achieve enough clout to dismiss Whale's allegations as another Intergang patsy like Galaxy Communications.
 
Unfortunate. We have yet to achieve enough clout to dismiss Whale's allegations as another Intergang patsy like Galaxy Communications.
The big problem is that we don't know what information he has, and he has tapes of at least one of the things we do know he has. If we can't think of a way to demonstrate that the tapes are faked, beyond a reasonable doubt, they can still hurt us.

Lesson learned: with someone like Whale, who potentially has dirt on you, either shoot to kill before they even know they're being targeted, or don't shoot at all. We might have done better to just tell him to get out of Metropolis.
 
So regarding the white whale situation. There would be really only two pieces of blackmail that I can thing of.
1. Meeting with Pam to discuss mutual fight against intergang and placement of whale into power.
2. Meeting with Roxane were he overstep in his dealmaker and we broke ties with him.

considering their was no direct meeting between the lex and whale the blowback from the blackmail will be lessened. The only other thing I could think he could try to blackmail us over is our control over the police but we covered up any illegal aspect of that pretty well so I am not too worried.
 
Regarding Whale could we not admit to it? I mean it's not like we did anything bad. We were defending us and the people of metropolis against a significant threat with advanced weaponry + Ignition was with them + they killed a bunch of our employees. The police were not equipped to handle it and we only really said we wouldn't really interfere with Whale (I don't quite remember the deets of the meeting). If we admit first and apologise for putting the people of metropolis first over some ethics, we might even get away with it. I mean was this not the whole point of giving Whale much in the first place? The problem with Whale is he like a cockroach. If we don't kill him now it's likely he'll come back again later or support someone who's against us. It's not exactly out of sight out of mind.

For the hacker, we really need to investigate first. They should not know that we know right so it should give us time to try and find out.

Why did we pick Emily as the teacher again? I remember there be much better choices for teaching children.

Also new movie / children's entertainment idea - Megamind!!

Edit: re-read that meeting. It's a bit worse than I have painted it seems. So we gave them weapons + armour and he revealed that we have influence over the police and we didn't deny it. If there is a record of the entire meeting, then it would be problematic. But truly we haven't done anything bad. Is there a way we can spin this if it came out? I'm not sure..
 
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So regarding the white whale situation. There would be really only two pieces of blackmail that I can thing of.
1. Meeting with Pam to discuss mutual fight against intergang and placement of whale into power.
2. Meeting with Roxane were he overstep in his dealmaker and we broke ties with him.
Those are the things we know he knows. They're not the only things we did.

He could have evidence of our control over the police. He could have evidence of our attempt to bribe Mayor Sackett. He could even (somehow!) have obtained evidence of our kidnapping Intergang members. He could have evidence of things that are faked, but convincingly so.

It was actually rather clever of Whale to release the one thing we did know he could plausibly have on us, because it means that rationally, we can only guess as to what else he has on us.

considering their was no direct meeting between the lex and whale the blowback from the blackmail will be lessened.

The only other thing I could think he could try to blackmail us over is our control over the police but we covered up any illegal aspect of that pretty well so I am not too worried.
We covered it pretty well, but not necessarily so well that Whale couldn't find it. We know he had a number of Martial villain on payroll, even if they were kind of low-rent types and Lady Vic managed to kill a few of them. His Intrigue stable of hero units is probably adequate too- probably smaller than ours but not so small that he can't stack the bonuses up high enough to crit when he really wants to.

Remember that he'd already deduced that we controlled the police before we even met him. He could plausibly have agents of his own on the force, too- which I suspect would lower the DC.

I propose we use Pamela's abilities against Whale.
That might actually not be the worst idea. We agree to let him live, without any further interference from us, maybe even with some compensation for his trouble- on two conditions.

One, he, and his businesses, stay out of Metropolis.

Two, we're going to send one person to meet him, at a neutral location well out of the city. He can bring goons, we can bring goons. Our agent will want to talk to him directly, in an enclosed space. He can bring bodyguards; we won't hurt him, just want to talk to him.

Then we hit him with the pheromone spray and do something like what we did to Orin Kamarov: "You don't want to reveal any secret of Lex Luthor's."

Then we keep the deal.

That would be a pretty good idea. We should also try to trace the message he sent us in order to find were he is
Whale is not stupid and once he realizes he's got an enemy after him, his survival instincts seem pretty good. I suspect he's keeping on the move. Remember that he's not only a Metropolis crime boss; he has a larger network.

Wherever he sent that message from is going to be a disposable location, and while we might track him down, what would we do with that information if we had it? He could easily have set up contingencies such that his death would make our problems worse by causing the blackmail information to be released. He knows we're after him with assassins because he still has the scars where shrapnel from Lady Vic's bazooka rocket blew up near him. He wouldn't do something that recklessly exposed him to another assassination attempt.

Regarding Whale could we not admit to it? I mean it's not like we did anything bad. We were defending us and the people of metropolis against a significant threat with advanced weaponry + Ignition was with them + they killed a bunch of our employees. The police were not equipped to handle it and we only really said we wouldn't really interfere with Whale (I don't quite remember the deets of the meeting).
We can go back and double-check what was said... buuut...

By admitting to this, we're admitting to being a private citizen with de facto control of the police. One who, yes, makes deals with organized crime. That's going to be unpopular, and it sullies our image.

I mean was this not the whole point of giving Whale much in the first place? The problem with Whale is he like a cockroach. If we don't kill him now it's likely he'll come back again later or support someone who's against us. It's not exactly out of sight out of mind.
I mean, maybe. On the other hand, he's demonstrated (and @King crimson has confirmed OOC) a willingness to cut his losses and retreat from a situation that's unfavorable to him. Like all successful crime bosses, he's a survivor, not an attack dog.

We don't need Whale dead, we just need him out of our nonexistent hair.

For the hacker, we really need to investigate first. They should not know that we know right so it should give us time to try and find out.
Hopefully yes. One of our big actions next turn should be to investigate that and figure out what happened. It'll probably take Felicity plus other Intrigue characters... Trouble is, Felicity's got bad co-op scores with everyone but Lex. Lex might have to lead the collaboration personally.

Why did we pick Emily as the teacher again? I remember there be much better choices for teaching children.
We made the decision on Turn 12, during this vote. The stated reasons for supporting Emily Rice were along the lines of "seems OK" and "I think the army guy may be too strict, causing Jinx to rebel," where 'the army guy' in question is Harold Shapiro, formerly of Easy Company during World War Two.

A looooot of people copy-pasted the vote that featured Emily Rice, and there wasn't a lot of discussion about her merits.

Note that this was the same vote in which we chose to hire "Noi" Kamarov, who turned out to be a Russian spy. :(

Also new movie / children's entertainment idea - Megamind!!
We'll need Superman and heroes like him to be more common and established before that one works with full impact.

But maybe we can get semi-recursive given the DCAU influences in the DCQU, and run something inspired by that cult classic '90s animated masterpiece from Bruce Timm and Paul Dini: Freakazoid! :p

Edit: re-read that meeting. It's a bit worse than I have painted it seems. So we gave them weapons + armour and he revealed that we have influence over the police and we didn't deny it. If there is a record of the entire meeting, then it would be problematic. But truly we haven't done anything bad. Is there a way we can spin this if it came out? I'm not sure..
...Did we give him weapons and armor?

Here's the meeting.

I'm going to give you a transcript of the conversation from the point of view of a camera watching it.

[Dr. Isley enters the bar with an escort of LexCorp security personnel]

Whale: "Well now, you're a whole lot prettier than who I was expecting to show up to this meeting. And since this isn't a trap I'll send some of my men outside so we can get comfortable doll-face"

[Whale motions his guards out of the room; Isley does not]

Whale: "Now that's just cold, sister. I come and arrange a meeting out of the goodness of my heart, with a genuine offer to help out your boss, and you can't even trust me?"

Isley: "Get to the point."

Whale: "Well now straight down to business? I prefer a little bit of conversation myself but if that's how you do it at LexCorp very well"

[Whale clasps his hands, looks Isley in the eye]

Whale: "Crime cannot be stopped. It can be reduced, moved to different areas, it can change its nature, but there will always be crime. I am a criminal, plain and simple. I won't lie to you about that. But not all criminals are created equal. I am not Intergang, and frankly I have no desire to be Intergang. I am of the opinion that crime is at its best when it is kept quiet. So here is my offer to you. Intergang is weaker than they ever have been. But they are still capable of causing problems for LexCorp. And once they get pushed out, you have no guarantee that whoever comes next will be any better. Give me control of the criminal underworld and I will ensure that the criminal element works with LexCorp rather than against it"

Isley: "I'd prefer it if I could get some details on what exactly you want Mr. Whale. Your speech, while nice, is too nebulous for any real arrangement to be the basis of any real deal."

Whale: "I'm glad you enjoyed the speech. I came up with it yesterday and practiced it in the mirror; really helps the oratory if you take a few practice runs. And that was just the appetizer. I'd be more than happy to give you details"

[Isley nods for Whale to continue]

Whale: "I know LexCorp has strong enough ties to the police to influence them..."

[Isley tenses. Every gun in the room is suddenly trained on Tobias Whale.]

Whale: "Oh, relax. I was mostly just guessing that, since some ex-military named Kane was working tightly with them according to one of your employees who spoke too freely. It's not like I have any real proof of a solid connection between the two groups. And besides, I'm a criminal, people will take LexCorp's word over mine every day of the week."

[Isley motions for the security troopers to lower their guns.]

Whale: "Thank you. Now, as I was saying, LexCorp has strong enough ties to the police to influence them. Making sure they look the other way while I build up my power and replace Intergang would be appreciated. Hell, give me and my men some weapons and armor, and we'll take the fight to Intergang for you. In exchange for your support I'll make sure that no crimes are committed without LexCorp approval, and that those who break the established rules are punished."

[Off camera from our perspective, Isley takes the offer]

...

Now, so far as I know, Lex never did take Whale up on the offer to have his goons fight Intergang if we would arm and armor them. We never voted to spend an action giving Whale money or weapons. However, the police did give Whale breathing room to expand his operations at our behest. And this conversation all but confirms in so many words that LexCorp has control of the police (note the LexCorp troopers' reaction to Whale casually dropping that little secret). Furthermore, Isley takes the deal, which she could not plausibly do unless she, or someone she was speaking for, actually had the control over the police that it would require.

Depending on whether Whale has a videotape or an audio tape, this could be either pretty bad, or a little less bad but still bad.
 
That might actually not be the worst idea. We agree to let him live, without any further interference from us, maybe even with some compensation for his trouble- on two conditions.

One, he, and his businesses, stay out of Metropolis.

Two, we're going to send one person to meet him, at a neutral location well out of the city. He can bring goons, we can bring goons. Our agent will want to talk to him directly, in an enclosed space. He can bring bodyguards; we won't hurt him, just want to talk to him.

Then we hit him with the pheromone spray and do something like what we did to Orin Kamarov: "You don't want to reveal any secret of Lex Luthor's."

Then we keep the deal.

I was thinking more, "You want to tell me where your blackmail material is."

Then mind control him into walking away and getting his men to let their guards down before we attack all the bases at once.

I don't really like loose ends and we know people can resist Pamela's abilities if we give them a chance.
 
I was thinking more, "You want to tell me where your blackmail material is."
If we try to take that tactic, we need the mind control to take effect very very fast, and to have an effect strong enough to compel Whale to a very unwise action. One that he has to know is likely to result in his death.

Then mind control him into walking away and getting his men to let their guards down before we attack all the bases at once.
Again, this is too big. All it takes is lieutenants saying "boss, are you sure about this" and Whale himself realizing that he's been mentally compromised (as Kamarov did) for the plan to fall apart.

I don't really like loose ends and we know people can resist Pamela's abilities if we give them a chance.
The point is that if Whale isn't stupid and has taken reasonable precautions (even from the perspective of a crime lord who doesn't know everything we're capable of), a scheme like this isn't going to prevent release of the blackmail information.

Sometimes it really is best to just agree to a truce and walk away from a fight before both sides get too badly hurt. Especially if the alternative is to overextend yourself.

I'd rather take my chances on Whale agreeing to stay out of Metropolis (which is one city among many) and the pheromones helping ensure that he doesn't do a thing he already said he wouldn't do anyway (reveal the blackmail material, because when he's done that he'll have no more leverage over us).
 
The 'eliminate loose ends' idea sounds good, but it's the same ethos that had us send Lady Vic after Whale in the first place and turned a friendly business associate who owes us something into an enemy with blackmail. Whale was still willing to stay away from Lexcorp and didn't ask us to keep influencing the police for him. Trying to kill him was a mistake, one we made because we hired Lady Vic with a different target in mind before we knew about the doomsday device, and voters succumbed to Evil Overlord Syndrome.

Frankly, we're lucky Whale didn't just release his blackmail in retaliation.

Taylor Hebert might think different, but escalation is often a really stupid tactic that ends in losers all around.
 
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Okay pheromones and GTFO seems to be a decent idea. Now we may not have given him weapons etc, but we took the deal. To an outsider that is implying we have given so it doesn't matter if we haven't. Honestly I wouldn't have minded too much except for the police tid bit.

About the pheromones, we cannot push him too far since we have seen what happens when we try to make people do something that won't mesh with how they think.

@Simon_Jester that makes so much sense. Kamarov AND Rice? Wow, copy pasting votes really screwed that up...
 
Okay pheromones and GTFO seems to be a decent idea. Now we may not have given him weapons etc, but we took the deal. To an outsider that is implying we have given so it doesn't matter if we haven't. Honestly I wouldn't have minded too much except for the police tid bit.

About the pheromones, we cannot push him too far since we have seen what happens when we try to make people do something that won't mesh with how they think.
Yeah. That's why I'm in favor of using them to impart a compulsion to not do the thing he already said he wouldn't do if we leave him alone- which is the thing we actually give a shit about him doing.

It just doesn't matter that he's still alive and out there, as long as he stays out of Metropolis and doesn't reveal his history with us. As @King crimson has pointed out, Whale has a prudent level of personal cowardice- he'll stay away if he thinks he's in danger. Going all Captain Ahab on him out of a 'need' to destroy him is a bad idea because it means he has more incentive to push himself and use his resources to screw us.

So aside from using the pheromones to ensure he doesn't get any bright ideas about blackmailing us on an ongoing basis (maybe we should just use "You will follow the deal we made"), I think that the best arrangement is basically the one he offers. We don't need him dead, we just need him out of the way.

@Simon_Jester that makes so much sense. Kamarov AND Rice? Wow, copy pasting votes really screwed that up...
In fairness, I, the leading proponent of Not!Rice, also thought Kamarov was probably fine- I figured he was a real defector from the Soviet-era Red Rocket Corps, as opposed to a Russian patriot spying on us.

I figured, it's the '90s, the Cold War is over, someone like Boris Yeltsin is probably running Russia. There were a LOT of Russian expats moving out of Russia at that time, so what's one more?

It turns out that DCQU Russia has its shit together better than '90s real life Russia.

And Dr. Rice hasn't necessarily done that badly, all things considered. We haven't been very good about providing Jinx with support, we've encouraged her to go off and do things totally unrelated to her education, and Jinx is in fact making progress. Dr. Rice isn't great but she's not terrible.
 
Pardon my Klingon but cant we just create fake blackmail of ourselves ? to explain create a deepfake of the blackmail that looks convincing but has some flaws that can be pointed out after very carefull inspection, and then let it out, only for us to ensure the flaws get pointed out and Whale blackmail will then seem just like another forgery ?
 
Pardon my Klingon but cant we just create fake blackmail of ourselves ? to explain create a deepfake of the blackmail that looks convincing but has some flaws that can be pointed out after very carefull inspection, and then let it out, only for us to ensure the flaws get pointed out and Whale blackmail will then seem just like another forgery ?
Could work. We do it after sending Pamela to do to Whale what she did to Noi.
 
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The problem with the fake blackmail is that we don't know what else Whale has.

The police thing honestly isn't that problematic. It's legal to make donations, and we never asked them to do enough to really compromise anyone's career as far as I know. Plus, we have a professional psychologist establishing Pam is unhinged.

The various murders and kidnappings are more serious and we probably don't want to spark investigation on that. Lois Lane still has her suspicions on Lex, and she is very good at digging up solid evidence that shouldn't exist. Comic tropes do exist to an extent, we can probably beat a case even founded on solid evidence, but it'll be a much bigger hassle.
 
Yeah. That's why I'm in favor of using them to impart a compulsion to not do the thing he already said he wouldn't do if we leave him alone- which is the thing we actually give a shit about him doing.

It just doesn't matter that he's still alive and out there, as long as he stays out of Metropolis and doesn't reveal his history with us. As @King crimson has pointed out, Whale has a prudent level of personal cowardice- he'll stay away if he thinks he's in danger. Going all Captain Ahab on him out of a 'need' to destroy him is a bad idea because it means he has more incentive to push himself and use his resources to screw us.

So aside from using the pheromones to ensure he doesn't get any bright ideas about blackmailing us on an ongoing basis (maybe we should just use "You will follow the deal we made"), I think that the best arrangement is basically the one he offers. We don't need him dead, we just need him out of the way.

In fairness, I, the leading proponent of Not!Rice, also thought Kamarov was probably fine- I figured he was a real defector from the Soviet-era Red Rocket Corps, as opposed to a Russian patriot spying on us.

I figured, it's the '90s, the Cold War is over, someone like Boris Yeltsin is probably running Russia. There were a LOT of Russian expats moving out of Russia at that time, so what's one more?

It turns out that DCQU Russia has its shit together better than '90s real life Russia.

And Dr. Rice hasn't necessarily done that badly, all things considered. We haven't been very good about providing Jinx with support, we've encouraged her to go off and do things totally unrelated to her education, and Jinx is in fact making progress. Dr. Rice isn't great but she's not terrible.

My problem with Rice isn't that she's bad, which she isn't, but that there were better alternatives. Ones who actually made a career in teaching children instead of someone who's just very smart and knowledgeable.

Pardon my Klingon but cant we just create fake blackmail of ourselves ? to explain create a deepfake of the blackmail that looks convincing but has some flaws that can be pointed out after very carefull inspection, and then let it out, only for us to ensure the flaws get pointed out and Whale blackmail will then seem just like another forgery ?

The problem with deepfakes is that, Lois Lane exists. She will find out. Some how. Cursed plucky protagonists!
 
Pardon my Klingon but cant we just create fake blackmail of ourselves ? to explain create a deepfake of the blackmail that looks convincing but has some flaws that can be pointed out after very carefull inspection, and then let it out, only for us to ensure the flaws get pointed out and Whale blackmail will then seem just like another forgery ?
I mean, we could. But in the process we'd spawn conspiracy theories, possibly make people like Lois Lane wonder whether if there's all this smoke there might be a fire, and so on.

Creating fake news that 'incriminates' us isn't the worst idea in the world, but it's a long term strategy.

The problem with the fake blackmail is that we don't know what else Whale has.

The police thing honestly isn't that problematic. It's legal to make donations, and we never asked them to do enough to really compromise anyone's career as far as I know. Plus, we have a professional psychologist establishing Pam is unhinged.
Errr. I don't think that would be a great choice.

Firstly, because Dr. Isley is one of our big assets and we use her as a spokeswoman a lot. Discrediting her means people won't regard her as an effective spokesperson for (for instance) green energy initiatives. Or may not believe she speaks for us, or can be trusted.

Secondly, because given what she's like in canon, it's entirely plausible that being "burned" by Mr. Luthor would cause Pamela Isley to go full Poison Ivy and switch over to being vengeful on us. We don't need her as an enemy; we probably have the tools to keep ourselves safe but she'd make a nasty opponent, especially if she plans in secret.

Thirdly, because even the audio version of the tape makes it fairly obvious that there are other LexCorp goons present. The video would make it undeniable. Dr. Isley didn't act alone. If she didn't have the approval of the company, the question will reasonably asked, why didn't any of the guards, part of LexCorp's famously elite and focused security force, blow the whistle on her actions? Why is Lex himself apparently unaware of all this? Even that would damage our reputation.

Fourthly, because even having it so publicly revealed that we have this level of control over the police is going to cause problems. This may be what the mysterious "Mister X" behind the death of Bradford Sackett and/or Sackett's screwy gun control laws is trying to achieve, if there is such a person- they may be trying to effectively force Lex to openly seize control of the Metropolitan police, in a way that discredits him.

The various murders and kidnappings are more serious and we probably don't want to spark investigation on that. Lois Lane still has her suspicions on Lex, and she is very good at digging up solid evidence that shouldn't exist. Comic tropes do exist to an extent, we can probably beat a case even founded on solid evidence, but it'll be a much bigger hassle.
All quite true. I don't want to burn umpty actions on Diplomacy and Intrigue to stay out of jail, even if it'd work.

My problem with Rice isn't that she's bad, which she isn't, but that there were better alternatives. Ones who actually made a career in teaching children instead of someone who's just very smart and knowledgeable.
I'm pretty sure Harold Shipley would have gone better, in any case. The other candidates on offer weren't much better (e.g. Bibbowski), or had other disadvantages (e.g. the guy who's the principal of Black Lightning's school, and would have been tutoring on the side).

[shrugs]

The problem with deepfakes is that, Lois Lane exists. She will find out. Some how. Cursed plucky protagonists!
Well, it's not inevitable, and it wouldn't make a great story to report that Lex somehow fakes accusations against himself for no good reason- it doesn't GO anywhere. But it's a risk. Then again, there's really no way for us to coexist with a reporter like Lois Lane without some risk, as long as we don't follow the straight and narrow "perfectly legitimate tech billionaire" path. Which we could, but so far... haven't, entirely.
 
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Anyways, we need to see if the Sub-Votes for those results have write-in options or suitable options with useful results.
 
Anyways, we need to see if the Sub-Votes for those results have write-in options or suitable options with useful results.
Hmm yes, but the key is going to be to know in advance what our actions should look like.

For "Down With The Ship," the Whale subvote, I think we need to basically accept the deal. We don't have the resources available to be confident that a plan to take him out works well enough to avoid having his blackmail bomb go off. We may be able to leverage the pheromone spray into making him keep his promises (note that this is also less likely to backfire on us if Whale resists the spray), but we shouldn't try anything fancy. And we shouldn't send a fighting force to kill him because he'll almost certainly have prepared for that- and then the blackmail bomb goes off.

We need to relax, take a breath, stop fixating on "loose ends," and recognize that sometimes it's better not to keep escalating a conflict. This is especially true with the as yet uncertain "nemesis" mechanics in play, because the nemesis mechanic seems to mean that making a long-lasting enemy actively penalizes you by forcing you to take action against them.

For the "Tracking the Tapper" subvote, I think we need to prioritize gathering information on who did this and how. Whoever did this was a person (or entity) of exceptional skill and resource, given their ability to roll a 364 on a d100. How we approach the situation afterwards will depend heavily on who they're dealing with. If we're dealing with an Oracle-tier hacker, the correct response is to either recruit them or sic assassins on them. If it's a government agency, we may want to make some kind of cooperative sharing arrangement and go along with it. If it's Brainiac or something, all we can do is try to harden our puny meatbag communications.
 
Turn 16 Results Part 3
So this is the biggest part 3 of a results bit so far. Honestly things keep getting bigger and bigger. I'm quite eager to see people's responses to many of these votes as I think there are a lot of interesting opportunities. I do think I once again went overboard with the TV thing but that should be fine. Hope you all enjoy this coming a bit early!

Turn 16 Results Part 3
Please keep all votes in plan format. Any vote not in plan format will be discounted. There is a 1 hour moratorium on voting.

Your Mission Should You Choose to Accept it subvote
General Eiling has come personally contacted you with a mission he would like you to take. A group of escapees from the Santa Priscan prison Pena Duro have begun engaging in open warfare with the previous government of Santa Prisca. Furthermore they have been exterminating whole towns in order to ensure that no member of Intergang is hiding there. General Eiling would like to have Serial Peacemaking meet with these ex-prisoners and potentially get them to work more effectively with the military and do the things that he cannot in an official position. Apparently this group has already recovered some of Intergang's technology and are using it to devastating effects. This is an opportunity for you to gain your own deniable assets or further Eiling's trust of you albiet at the risk of potentially getting implicated in some very dirty business if you get caught. Still an opportunity is an opportunity. Please select your favorite option from the list. Write-ins are possible but are subject to QM approval.

[ ] [Mission] Agree to the mission and attempt to recruit the Pena Duro escapees to work as deniable assets for the US military
[ ] [Mission] Agree to the mission and attempt to recruit the Pena Duro escapees to work as deniable assets for yourself
[ ] [Mission] Refuse to take the job as it is too risky if you get caught
[ ] [Mission] Write-in

Snart's Suggestions subvote
Lisa Snart has upon getting hired has given more suggestions as to individuals who you could potentially hire. While many of these individuals have a checkered past you believe that you can make use of their skills and that they could prove quite the boon for you. Please select the two options you want the most from the list below.

[ ] [Hire] Hire Leonard Snart
Lisa Snart's older brother is an amateur physicist but is also a relatively talented one, with a good amount of success in messing around with cryo-technic devices. He hasn't invented anything truly revolutionary just yet but he certainly has a talent for it despite his complete lack of formal education. Leonard is also a criminal with a history of pulling off heists. He is a known ex-convict despite being let out recently for good behavior so there is some risk to hiring him.

[ ] [Hire] Hire George Harkness
George "Digger" Harkness is an acquaintance of Lisa Snart. The man is foul mouthed offensive rude and crude but he is exceptionally talented at what he does. Harkness is arguably the greatest boomerang user in the whole world and has an amazing talent with them. Unfortunately boomerang skills do not tend to make ends meet so Harkness has taken to doing multiple odd jobs all at once. He is currently employed as a mascot for children's toys dubbed "Captain Boomerang" but is very resentful at having to take a job he finds humiliating. You could quite easily poach him for yourself if you have any need for a boomerang user.

[ ] [Hire] Hire Mick Rory
Mick Rory is Leonard's partner in crime and is another ex-con. Mick is less cerebral than Leonard but was still able to build a variety of flamethrowers from junkyard materials. The man is talented even if he does suffer from a bit of pyromania and his criminal career prevents him from finding much employment elsewhere. He could potentially be a useful member of your security team.

[ ] [Hire] Hire Mark Mardon
Mark Mardon is a worker at a shipping company with a good amount of resentment and anger. However his brother, an ex-S.T.A.R. labs scientist, has been on the verge of a massive breakthrough and Mark has made numerous statements about how he would like to take that research and make something out of it. If you want to get at whatever secret his brother is hiding you could hire Mardon.

[ ] [Hire] Hire James Jesse
James Jesse is a notorious circus performer in the Central City area. The man is famous for his feats of walking on thin air. Lisa has no idea how he does it but it could be something worthwhile for you to look into. There have been accusations of James being a con artist and engaging in illegal activities but nothing has been conclusively proven

[ ] [Hire] Hire Joe Monteleone
Joe Monteleone is the kid brother of Jack Monteleone, one of the biggest figures in organized crime in the Midwest. If you want to establish a relationship with the working class criminal of that area, which would be good for finding out more about the mysterious red blur in the area, Joe is likely to be your best bet even if he doesn't seem too useful on his own.

[ ] [Hire] Hire Samuel Scudder
Lisa's ex-boyfriend who works at a mirror production plant and has begun experimenting with various types of materials. Samuel is an obstinate individual but is very talented and was occasionally brought on by Leonard to help him plan out all the angles of a heist. Samuel has a talent for being able to effectively map out the areas security camera's observe just by looking at the blueprints of a building.

[ ] [Hire] Hire Ramsey Rosso
A hemophiliac police technician with a talent for bloodwork. Ramsey is known to Lisa as an individual who managed to track down her brother and pin a crime to him. Ramsey is cold methodical and intelligent but also very antisocial.

[ ] [Hire] Hire Zoey Clark
Another amateur actress Lisa is passingly familiar with, Zoey Clark has a talent for prop comedy according to Lisa. She was mentioned to be a bit clingy and unstable and has restraining orders against her name by various men who she found herself infatuated with. Still if you can work past her downsides Zoey Clark is potentially a useful hire to add to your movie productions.

[ ] [Hire] Hire only one individual
This is the option to take if you want only one new hero unit

[ ] [Hire] Hire none of these individuals
This option is mutually exclusive with all other options and is what you should do if you want to pass up on all of them.

Sell Stock Subvote
There has been more interest in Ferris Aerospace then ever with its constant numerous successes. However right now it is under the LexCorp aegis entirely and thus is a private company. With the most recent success of the company questions have been raised on if the company should go public. While it would make you more money it could potentially leave you open to others interfering with your work even if you are sure you could still maintain the majority of stocks, you just aren't sure if you want to waste the effort.

[ ] [Stock] Go public and sell stocks
This option would make you a lot more money and would get outsiders more involved than ever in Ferris Aerospace but makes it possible to potentially undermine you

[ ] [Stock] Remain private
This will keep Ferris Aerospace firmly within your grasp but will not make as much money as it could and potential investors will not be available to be encountered.

Guest Stars subvote
With your tv production continuing along as effectively as always you now have even more actors interested in working with you based off of the positive comments you have previously received. As such you have a medley of individuals to pick from. The production has been kept at a consistent level from last time so now all you have to do is pick a few more individuals to star in these shows. This vote is a point format vote. You have 44 points to spend however you wish. Any points not spent will not be able to be used later.

[ ] [Star] Uncle Ozzy show guest star President's son
(32 points)

[ ] [Star] Uncle Ozzy show guest star Jinx
(3 points)

[ ] [Star] Mask of Zorro guest star Basil Karlo
(24 points)

[ ] [Star] Mask of Zorro guest star William Great Eagle
(6 points)

[ ] [Star] Mask of Zorro guest star Jonathan Lord
(3 points)

[ ] [Star] Mask of Zorro guest star Otto Fischer
(7 points)

[ ] [Star] Mask of Zorro extra Carmen Leno
(1 point)

[ ] [Star] Clockstoppers guest star Amber Joyce
(5 points)

[ ] [Star] Clockstoppers guest star Chloe Decker
(4 points)

[ ] [Star] Clockstoppers guest star Roxanne Sutton
(3 points)

[ ] [Star] Clockstoppers extra Carmen Leno
(1 point)

[ ] [Star] Knights of Camelot guest star Daniel Cassidy
(7 points)

[ ] [Star] Knights of Camelot guest star Seiji Kato
(2 points)

[ ] [Star] Knights of Camelot guest star Jonathan Lord
(3 points)

[ ] [Star] Cast Dexter Myles as the Narrator in History Story's
(10 points)

[ ] [Star] History's story guest star Randy Booth
(6 points)

[ ] [Star] History's story guest star Jonathon Lord
(1 point)

[ ] [Star] History's story guest star Saied Kadesh
(2 points)

[ ] [Star] History's story guest star Paige Monroe
(18 points)

[ ] [Star] Cast Hector Ramirez as Hercules in the Adventures of Hercules
(3 points)

[ ] [Star] Cast Lance Gardner as Theseus in the Adventures of Hercules
(1 point)

[ ] [Star] Cast Jonathan Lord as Odysseus in the Adventures of Hercules
(6 points)

[ ] [Star] Cast Chloe Decker as Atalanta in the Adventures of Hercules
(6 points)

[ ] [Star] Cast Ramona Reed as Atalanta in the Adventures of Hercules
(12 points)

[ ] [Star] Cast Basil Karlo as the main villain, Hades, in the Adventures of Hercules
(15 points)

[ ] [Star] Cast Cerise Orielle as Circe in the adventures of Hercules
(8 points)

[ ] [Star] Adventures of Hercules guest star Rebecca Carstairs
(3 points)

Keep or Scrap subvote
Rebecca Carstairs has successfully created a magic powered car, which you cannot effectively market or sell. However you could keep it for yourself as it has cutting edge capabilities not found in other cars. On the other hand you could break it down for parts to try and recuperate some more money. The choice is yours. Please pick your favorite option from the list below.

[ ] [KoS] Keep the car for yourself
[ ] [KoS] Keep the car as a gift to someone else (specify who you want to gift it to)
[ ] [KoS] Scrap the car to get back some more money

Naming the Car subvote
If you do choose to keep the car you need to give this experimental prototype a name. Please pick an option from the list below. Write-ins are acceptable for this vote but all write-ins are subject to QM approval.

[ ] [Car] Hellblazer
[ ] [Car] Model 666
[ ] [Car] Chariot
[ ] [Car] Helios
[ ] [Car] Write-in

Down with the Ship subvote
Lady Vic's attempt on Tobias Whale's life has left him reeling and the man has fled Metropolis. In his desperation Whale has sent you a threat through several proxies. If you do not call off the assassin that is being paid to kill him then he will do everything in his power to cause you problems and ensure that you cannot focus on killing him. He then showed you that he had a vocal recording of the conversation Pamela had with him. He claims to have even more devastating information available as well as contingencies in the case of his death and that if you do not stop hunting him or he dies, Tobias Whale will reveal it to the world at large. Tobias refuses to meet with any of your representatives as he believes it could be a trap and that their word is worth nothing but he has sent you a burner phone to confirm the arrangement. You aren't sure quite how dangerous Whale's information actually is and that is perhaps the most concerning thing of all. Please select your favorite option from the list below. Write-ins are acceptable for this vote but all write-in's are subject to QM approval.

[ ] [Capsize] Call off Lady Vic and abandon the attempt at killing Tobias Whale in exchange for Whale never setting foot in Metropolis again
[ ] [Capsize] Call off Lady Vic and abandon the attempt at killing Tobias Whale in exchange for him handing over all the information he has
[ ] [Capsize] Only agree to call off Lady Vic if Tobias Whale will meet with a representative in person
[ ] [Capsize] Refuse to give in to Whale's threats and have Lady Vic keep hunting him
[ ] [Capsize] Write-in

Tracking the Tapper
Some unknown individual (at least you assume it is an individual) has somehow managed to tap the Lex-Phone network and is using it to spy on others. They are unaware that you know of their existence. The individual in question is apparently somewhere in France although you are not quite sure where as they have thoroughly bounced around the signal they are using. Now you have an opportunity to get the drop on this individual before they can begin making moves of their own. Please select your favorite option from the list below. Please be aware that this will not be the only opportunity to address this issue merely the first available one (the unknown individual basically failed a check that then allowed you a priority action).

[ ] [Tap] Track down the unknown individual yourself
[ ] [Tap] Attempt to use the unknown individuals tapping of the lines as a way to spy on them
[ ] [Tap] Alert the French authorities of this unknown individual
[ ] [Tap] Attempt to figure out how they tapped into the network by testing what could have been done
[ ] [Tap] Do nothing and let the unknown individual make the first move and thus make a mistake you can exploit

Releasing movies subvote
Daphne Dean has created her first movie at Lightyear Entertainment. While it has tested well with focus groups the movie is relatively niche and isn't a massive obvious blockbuster that could be wildly successful with all audiences that would put you on the map the way you would like. As such you have a bit of an issue. Do you release Daphne's movie now and get as much money as possible or do you wait until you have a larger repertoire of movies under your belt. Lightyear Entertainment as it is now is not geared towards making high budget films so unless you wish to remain an arthouse studio you need to expand.

[ ] [Movie] Release "The Curse of the Atomic Skull" in theaters now and keep Daphne happy and maximize short term profit

[ ] [Movie] Wait until you have a larger repertoire of films and can release larger, bigger budget blockbusters to try and maximize reputation with the public and long term success
 
[] [Mission] Agree to the mission and attempt to recruit the Pena Duro escapees to work as deniable assets for the US military
[] [Stock] Remain private
[] [Capsize] Only agree to call off Lady Vic if Tobias Whale will meet with a representative in person
[] [Tap] Attempt to use the unknown individuals tapping of the lines as a way to spy on them
[] [KoS] Keep the car as a gift to someone else (specify who you want to gift it to)
-[]Roxanne Sutton
[] [Car] Hellblazer
[] [Movie] Release "The Curse of the Atomic Skull" in theaters now and keep Daphne happy and maximize short term profit

These are the options I'd be interested in pursuing. Don't have an opinon on the more character focused parts of the vote.
 
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[x] [Mission] Agree to the mission and attempt to recruit the Pena Duro escapees to work as deniable assets for the US military
[x] [Stock] Remain private
[x] [Capsize] Only agree to call off Lady Vic if Tobias Whale will meet with a representative in person
[x] [Tap] Attempt to use the unknown individuals tapping of the lines as a way to spy on them
[x] [KoS] Keep the car as a gift to someone else (specify who you want to gift it to)
-[x]Roxanne Sutton
[x] [Car] Hellblazer
[x] [Movie] Release "The Curse of the Atomic Skull" in theaters now and keep Daphne happy and maximize short term profit
Vote's not open just yet and the vote would need to be in plan format. As such this vote is discounted.
 
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