My position is either we should enlist them together if QM gives us such option or we should not bother with including Raven and Starfire into Bastion at all. Cass most important job is to build up coops with her group, preferably while increasing her stats too, like we done with Starfire this turn. If we make all of them team members then we will have more opportunities to train together, and I would take a guess that Cass will have new personal actions that will reflect it. If we separate them, then it would be much harder to arrange. Plus Raven doing heroing and establishing herself while little baby Cass can't even get a permission to leave tower would be absolutely detrimental to the power dynamic in the group.
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This argument only makes sense if we assume that every hero unit that is made a part of our team cannot meaningfully interact with hero units that aren't, which is absolutely not the case to my understanding.
There is absolutely no reason why we couldn't have Cassandra on an action with Raven and Starfire without her being a part of the team. Furthermore another way to frame your statement of them having more time together if they were all part of the team is that a significant amount of Cassandra's time would be taken up by it when she could be doing more useful things.
Cassandra has literally never expressed a desire to become a superhero, just to be entrusted with more responsibilities which we fully intend to do. This argument is baseless and meaningless.
There is no more useful things for Cass to do than training with her team. It both increase their coops and with good roll improve stats, both Cass and other teams members. No other action brings as much benefits. Moreover being members of the same team make interacting with other team members easier and more natural, potentially affecting DC of such actions.
Putting Cass on the team means maximizing possibility that such actions will exist. She has a plenty Jinx related actions in her personals, we just need to extend it to Raven and Starfire too, like we plan to do with socialize action. Them being in team, have potential to give us more such joint actions.
Cass would like to be in command. It is not about doing superhero things. It is about giving orders and being obeyed. Cass would be overjoyed with such responsibility.
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This is you hyperfocusing on coop scores again, yes they are extremely useful but they are not the be all, end all. Especially when Cassandra already has the maximum possible coop score with Starfire.
Not to mention that all these supposed benefits can be easily replicated by just… putting them together on literally any action where they succeed by enough. As the past 32 turns have proven they don't need to be on a superhero team together for that stuff to happen.
Except for literally any action we put them in together. Not to mention this is you ignoring any other tangible benefits from other actions we may want to put Cassandra on.
This is entirely you making an assumptions. It's possible sure but again of limited value when we can just put Cassandra on an action with any character we want at any point.
Once more, entirely you making assumptions and ignoring the fact we can kinda already do this just by putting Raven or Starfire on a Cassandra action with her.
You're acting as if increasing coop scores is the end goal when it's not, it's a means to an end and there are numerous other ways to achieve that means.
Yes, which absolutely does not require Cassandra to be an actual member of the team.
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I feel like putting someone on the team is a way of indicating that most of their actions are expected or intended to be superhero-related.
I feel like we don't want to say that about Cass.
I feel like Jinx should go where Cass goes on this kind of thing.
...but yeah. This is going to be the official LexCorp super team. Cass is our known and declared heir. Putting her in a command role over LexCorp assets doesn't require that she be on the team.
It might require that she be a bit older, but that's a different thing.
I feel like we don't want to say that about Cass.
I feel like Jinx should go where Cass goes on this kind of thing.
...but yeah. This is going to be the official LexCorp super team. Cass is our known and declared heir. Putting her in a command role over LexCorp assets doesn't require that she be on the team.
It might require that she be a bit older, but that's a different thing.
What else Cass personal actions give you except for stats and coops?
What I am saying is it is better for Cass to take personal actions together with other LexCorp teens, than by herself, and her being on the team with them encourage such approach.
You or I can't put Cass on any arbitrary action with anyone else, because we need thread consensus on it, and it is easier to get with enough narrative weight behind it. If they are on the same team, then it is natural for them to train and work together. If each one have different priorities then it becomes harder to justify.
In fact so far we have not put Cass on actions with other teens all that often. In general my understanding is that putting them on the same team would make it more probable, and separating them will make it less.
It does not limit Cass all that much. Want martial? Run drills. Want to train learning? Work on gadgets. Stewardship? Plenty of legal issues with superhero business. Diplomacy? Socialize with teammates.
And yes Cass can take over Bastion as LexCorp subsidiary, but it would need to be its own action and we already have plans on what to do with Cass next time. And waiting several years for when Cass will grow up is losing crucial development time, and Cass not building a reputation for herself (under alias or just among people in the know).
In general my preference is for Raven to start her superhero time under Cass command than any other way. For Starfire to keep her bodyguard duties and not being torn between various responsibilities. And for any other teens we recruit being introduced to Cass being senior hero within team, instead of nominal head of department. Take Amethyst for example. If we success in recruiting her would she better respond to Cass as a member of superhero team or as sheltered heiress, or heiress put in charge of some subsidiary by her father?
Perhaps you guys have different plans for Cassandra. But so far we just grind her stats without any meaningful development. I pushed people to send her to school but nope, we just grind. If you have any better suggestions then feel free to air them, but so far we lose nothing of value by going superhero route because she is just being endlessly homeschooled, and as I argued we likely can get better stats that way.
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Aside from traits? They allow us to mould the type of person that Cassandra is. Not to mention that if all you care about is stats and coops her development actions are the best way to achieve that because they are specifically weighted to do so.
Of course it's better for her to do so with them and by herself but her being on a superhero team with them generally doesn't encourage that any more than we could just already choose to do so. And even if it did it would be at the cost of more beneficial actions.
So you're argument is basically "If they're on the same team it may theoretically be easier to have the thread vote to have them work together?" Because that's kind of a ridiculous argument given that the thread has fairly consistently voted to do that already.
Not to mention that it is the definition of a short term gain at best since as soon as Raven hits a coop of 2 it's already maximised it's utility.
Firstly, we fully intend to have all the girls on the same action next turn without putting Cassandra on a superhero team.
Secondly, you are aware that you absolutely do not have enough data to support this assertion right?
We only got Raven on Turn 29 and of course she hasn't worked a lot with Cassandra since then, she has her own development actions.
Jinx was also only made Cassandra's right hand woman on that same turn, because it was the last development action she had iirc. Making Turn 30 the first time a proper team of just the two of them was viable and we put them together on that turn. Furthermore we didn't put them together in Turn 31 because Cassandra was taking a Learning action which Jinx doesn't really help with. And we didn't have Jinx work with Cassandra this turn because her and Starfire were a better team and adding Jinx would have ruined it.
Finally the one that firmly disproves this point, we only got Starfire on Turn 30 and had her work with Cassandra this turn. Literally 50% of the actions she's had so far have been with Cassandra.
It limits Cassandra from doing pretty much anything else.
Cassandra is not joining the team as a 13 year old, people would call Child Protective Services on our ass, and she can easily build up good PR and useful skills focusing on pretty much any other area.
This is borderline fear mongering, Cassandra is a master at ingratiating herself to people and getting them to like her. She's not some spoiled heiress and if Amy were to insinuate such she would have plenty of people willing to prove her wrong.
Your argument is based entirely on you extrapolating false data and making assumptions because they suit you. The whole point of development actions are to build up that character while they are young and impressionable, we don't need some grand plan for Cassandra that requires immediate action, building her up to be a true force to be reckoned with when she's an adult is the plan.
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Given Amy's recent experience with being an heiress? I think if Cass put the effort in, she could have Amy wanting to be Cassandra when she grows up, no matter what we decide about her regarding Bastion.
But joining superhero team would affect her traits too. Imagine for example that we formed superhero team last turn, and this turn we took the same special Cass action with Starfire, but with both of them being members of the team in addition to everything else. Good odds that traits would have been a bit more skewed toward superhero work, or that we would have got something more grounded in place of Star Commander trait.
And before you claim that it is guesswork, yes it is. But we would not have made things worse, and potentially would have improved results.
The points is not to abandon personal actions, but to tilt them in more useful direction, with possibility of gaining new personal actions from it. I sincerely doubt that we will lose any personal Cass actions but we can gain new ones.
From my argument about Amethist you can see that I do not think that benefits are limited to the current team only, but expect them being extended toward any teen heroes we may recruit in the future. And not teen ones when Cass grows older.
You look at this too narrow. We failed to rope Jade into Cass circle. And Jinx as you mentioned only become constantly available after we managed to make her Cass assistant. Accordingly Raven would become more available if she is made a part of the team with Cass or given other official role tying her to Cass, like Jinx's assistant position or Starfire's bodyguard one. The same is true for other teenage heroes we will recruit in the future. I am not claiming that it is absolute must to accomplish good coops but it will certainly help.
And it work in opposite direction too. If Raven is member of the superhero team and Cass and Jinx are not, then she will be less interested in hanging with them, and more interested in training or learning.
It does not limit Cass in anything. Like I said above I sincerely doubt that we will lose any personal Cass actions from having her join the team, and if we don't take action that we would have took otherwise, then it is because we have gained better alternative. Like next turn socialize action with Raven is good, but if there is some team building personal action appears that looks better then it is good thing too, right?
Again, I am not arguing about putting her on the battlefield. But all in all DC are superhero comics, and superheroes are obviously the most important part of the setting. If Carol can be businesswoman and superhero then so is Cass. Building reputation in superhero community is incredibly useful, and with certain degree of anonymity baked in Cass certainly can start working on it Oracle style, 13 years or not.
But in which case you think their starting coops would be better?
Better building her team, reputation and influence, than focusing solely on grinding her stat sheet.
Again this is literally just you assuming things because it suits your argument. Sure it probably wouldn't have made things worse but your supposed benefit would have been that Cassandra would become better at heroics, a thing we don't really want her wasting her time on.
We already have plenty of developmental actions and it's not about losing access to them it's about having a new requirement that takes up Cassandra's time that could be better spent elsewhere.
Not to mention that what your advocating for can literally just be achieved by putting the hero units in question on an action with Cassandra without complicating things nearly as much as having her join a superhero team would.
Again, Cassandra is exceptionally good at getting people to like her and worming her way in to their good books. Not to mention that once again these are all things that can easily be replicated by just putting her on an action with these hypothetical heroes. Any superhero that those things don't help with wouldn't be won over just because she's on the same team as them.
It is also very worth noting that the two other teen heroes we potentially could access, Wonder Girl and Argent, are both accessible through Cassandra's already existing development actions to make friends with and would already have a good opinion of her as a result.
Furthermore, short of constantly recruiting young superhero's your suggestion very much has a deadline.
We didn't fail, we didn't really try because it wasn't worth it. Jade is arguably more useful to us as a distant asset than trying to force her to become part of Cassandra's inner circle.
No she was always available she just had her own development actions that it was more worthwhile to pursue and that was when their coop score became worth considering.
Raven is largely unavailable for the exact same reasons that Jinx was and even then we fully plan to put them all on the same action next turn.
You're acting as if there is some abstract reason we can't put these hero units on the same actions but there isn't. We very much can without having to justify it by them being in the same team.
More total assumptions.
Raven does what we tell Raven to do. Sure maybe if she's a member of a superhero team she'll ask to do something related to that every so often but that's fine, we can't have her working with Cassandra every single turn anyway!
Or it's because we HAVE to assign Cassandra to a heroics related action in order for her to, y'know, actually be a superhero?
It would be almost entirely redundant because the exact same or better results could be achieved by just putting Cassandra and Raven on one of her other development actions that they'd work well together on.
This turn literally just proved this, Cassandra and Starfire were put together on an action that didn'tdirectly involve them bonding but because it went so well it accomplished everything that such an action would while also benefitting Cassandra far more.
We're not a superhero we're a supervillain, Cassandra should not be wasting her time dressing in spandex and punching people when she could be learning how to follow in her fathers footsteps.
Cassandra can work behind the scenes with heroes as much as she wants but in no way, shape or form requires her to be a hero herself.
Not really. I highly doubt it would make much of a difference if any at all.
After all, you don't necessarily have to like your coworkers.
It's a good thing that her developmental actions can literally do all of those things then isn't it?
Also you have directly contradicted yourself. If Cassandra is working behind the scenes or keeping her identity secret to avoid criticism for her age she wouldn't be building her reputation or influence. She'd be totally wasting her time in that department.
Ultimately what this feels like for me is that you really like the idea of Cassandra leasing her own version of the Teen Titans and thus are advocating for that and for Cassandra to constantly be taking actions with that team regardless of whether the evidence supports your assertions or if it actually makes sense for us to do so.
I am not contradicting myself, because Cassandra can build up reputation of her superhero persona without it being publicly tied to her civilian one.
I also advocate for not putting Raven and Starfire on the superhero team if Cass is not on it, since Starfire is her bodyguard, and I prefer Raven being closer to Cass and Jinx over her spending large amount of time on superheroing.
My position is more against splitting the team than for making Teen Titan version. Although admittedly I also like how any new superheroes we recruit seems to respect Ultraviolet thanks to reputation we build for her, and I would like something like this for Cass too.
I also support sending Cass to school, preferably with other teens if they don't make it to the super team.
Then it's useless, even if you want Cassandra to have a superhero identity her civilian one is far and away her more important one. If the two are not connected then any goodwill or positive reputation the superhero identity learns has no real point.
Hell, it's arguably actively detrimental since it means using up time that could be spent to improve Cassandra's reputation to improve her superhero identity's instead.
Starfire is debatable (I would argue that she makes too good a hero to pass up and Cassandra's bodyguard being a superhero is kind of a flex) but Raven is a must IMO. She actively wants to do it and granting that desire is a great way to get in her good books.
Plus it wouldn't be a large amount of time, just an action of her helping fight crime or dealing with some issue every now and then. Which frankly is probably what she'd be doing a certain amount of the way anyway considering that Martial is her highest stat.
The difference is that Ultraviolet is Carol's primary identity. As far as most of the world is concerned Ultraviolet eclipses Carol every day of the week and that's who most of our other hero units end up interacting with. It certainly helps that she's the most popular heroine on the planet.
Cassandra meanwhile would be starting from zero even if she did go down that route and that identity would be competing with a far more prestigious and famous one for top billing.
It's just not worth it IMO, short of potentially putting her in contact with other young characters the more pro I ate options are just more beneficial in every way.
And even then we've already encountered Wonder Girl and Argent who I do want to have Cassandra reach out to at some point.
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So brief update. Stuff came up today that prevented me from completing the update today. I hope to get it up by tomorrow and I'll definitely have it complete by the fourth of July. Thank you all for your patience.
Now it is you who is inconsistent. Everything you told about Cass is doubly so for Raven. Raven is crucial for anti-trigon research, she needs more training, and if she joins superhero team she would need to work on her coops with other heroes to be effective. All in all Raven is much more busy than Cass, involved in more crucial projects, and if she can spare an action to help fight crime or deal with some issue then so is Cassandra.
As for Raven wanting to do it, then the same is true for Cass. She very much would prefer being given an important task over another study session.
Look we either put Cass and Raven on the same team, or we don't. But if we split them we should abandon idea of raising their coops altogether. Your previous statement that we can put them on the same action and we don't need them to be on the same team for it is technically correct. But why would we need to do it then?
If we put Raven on the super team then we should put Mina on it too. And then we should work on their coops, and Raven coops with Ultraviolet and other superheroes, since in any given crisis and mini-event it would be more likely that they will work together. Then there is no point to work on Raven coops with Cassandra and Jinx, and so we will need to reconsider Raven socialize action.
You can dismiss my argument that Cass and Raven needs to be in the same group for their interests to align and so they can work effectively , but it would not stop being true for me, and it will affect my decision making in this regard, and I doubt that I am somehow unique in this. If Cass is too busy with her personal actions, and Raven needs to juggle between her superhero career , Trigon and her general training and development then they would not have many opportunities to work together and any effort to boost their coops is wasted. Boosting Raven coops with Jinx and Cass would stop being priority over Raven coops with Mina and other superheroes.
And superhero Starfire being bodyguard is not a flex you make it out to be. If Superman suddenly starts working as Bruce bodyguard, I imagine Leslie will find a few words to say about it. If known it would actively diminish Starfire reputation (because it would seem that she works for money) and would not be great help for Cass too (why does she feels the need to have superhero bodyguard, and actively take her time, when Starfire can be rescuing kittens and stopping crime instead)
If superhero joins LexCorp and works on our team with Cassandra then it would be reputation and coop with her superhero identity that would be relevant. Plus having alter ago will allow Cass to actively participate in any crisis, and actively use her new trait.
Not to mention that benefits of this don't somehow stop with only young heroes, since reputation will carry on when Cass will grow, and will affect her relationship with adult heroes too.
Cass does not have prestigious and famous identity at the moment, and she will only remain in Lex shadow if she tries to copy him. You boast prestige that she currently does not have, and would not have for quite some time, not to mention that we entirely lack ability to leverage said prestige in any meaningful way. Having a heir would not help Lex to secure more government contracts, and using Cass to boost LexCorp PR does not look like effective use of her time.
Here is the glaring caveat to all of that: Raven isn't Lex's heir, Cassandra is. Every turn that Cassandra isn't undergoing a development action or at least participating in something that directly benefits her growth is a wasted turn, Raven's time is far more flexible.
As for the rest of your points, we aren't going to be conducting anti-Tigon research every turn even if Raven doesn't become a superhero, after next turn Raven doesn't have any more development actions and therefore is harder to train up anyway, her coops with most of our dedicated superheroes are okay if not amazing.
Furthermore, I will raise the point again that Raven actually wants to be a superhero. Making her one isn't just some flight of fancy it is actively beneficial because it keeps her happy and there is at least some overlap between being a hero and taking steps to stop Trigon. For example, taking out the Church of Blood.
Objectively untrue, Rave's desire to become a superhero has been actively remarked upon multiple times whereas Cassandra has literally only said that she wants to be more involved with the running of the company.
You are drawing a total false equivalency to try and support your point.
You're acting as if putting a hero unit into a team suddenly amalgamates them into that group with them having absolutely no chance to interact with anyone outside of which is absolutely ridiculous.
You are so obsessed with coop scores and this strange idea that you've gotten lodged in your head that you're ignoring all logic. Raven can be a part of a team and still interact and work with Cassandra separately from it, we will still be able to spare Raven to work with Cassandra on relevant projects, this is not the be all, end all and you need to get that out of your head.
Then… you're wrong, you are just wrong.
You're acting as though if Raven becomes a superhero then we absolutely must at all times have her either on a superhero action, a Trigon action or an action to improve herself but that's objectively untrue. Even ignoring the mountain of other factors that effect what actions we actually take in a turn you're either ignoring or forgetting that not only is Trigon a temporary issue but also that Raven doesn't need to take a hero action every turn to be a hero and us voting to have a hero unit undertake an action to improve themselves that isn't a development action is fairly rare.
Not to mention that not every action Cassandra undertakes requires or would benefit from Raven being assigned to it, many wouldn't.
Thankfully we can control the narrative a lot and Starfire would be exceptionally good at both the fighting and diplomatic aspects of being a superhero. As for what it would say about Cassandra? That shes important and influential enough to have a fucking superhero as a bodyguard.
And if it's that much of an issue? Secret identities dude. If Superman can get away with being mild mannered reporter Clark Kent in his off hours then Starfire can be professional bodyguard Cori Anders.
Only if her superhero reputation grows enough to become as much of her life as being Ultraviolet is for Carol, not to mention that none of our other superheroes have a similar situation. And if we did for whatever reason decide to go down that route we would be investing a shit ton of time into doing so.
We'd basically be deciding that a superhero is all Cassandra is, it's what 90% of her time is devoted to and everything else gets thrown to the wayside.
Whether it stops with young heroes or not it's just not worth it when we could've building up Cassandra herself, be it in stats, coop scores or reputation.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude but this genuinely made me laugh.
She's Cassandra fucking Luthor, she's the daughter and heir to arguably the most powerful man in the country. That in and of itself makes her prestigious and famous, that's how aristocracy works, and she will only become more so as we continue to build her up and have her properly establish herself now that she has officially made her debut.
Cassandra's mere existence boosts LexCorp PR especially as she begins to build up her personal reputation. Every success, every improvement and every connection established shows that LexCorp isn't some flash in the pan, the next generation is secured and set up to be just as, if not more, prestigious as the one that came before.
And yes, having an heir does help Lex secure contracts both for the reasons stated above and because she provides an entirely new avenue of manipulation. "Have you met my daughter? She definitely won't ferret out all your secrets while endearing herself to you and cementing the Luthor legacy. Let's set up a meeting with my daughter and the children of various senators, I promise she won't have all the future movers and shakers wrapped around her finger by the end of it."
Not to mention, how the hell does having Cassandra specifically become a superhero accomplish any of that stuff?
Hello everyone, I have some thoughts to share.
For our team, I think we should have basic rules and different levels of membership of varying obligations and benefits. I propose Brittney Meld as head of superhero affairs and Riddler as her aide.
Here are the membership levels I suggest:
Based on this classification, I'd like to see:
I made a shield-shaped symbol for Bastion, serving both as a meaningful emblem and a wearable badge.
For our team, I think we should have basic rules and different levels of membership of varying obligations and benefits. I propose Brittney Meld as head of superhero affairs and Riddler as her aide.
Here are the membership levels I suggest:
- Core Members: Full team members under Lexcorp, with complete access to the company and its resources.
- Associate Members: Full team members who aren't directly under Lexcorp. Can use dedicated team resources and make requests.
- Reserve Members: Not team members but can be called for emergencies. Everyone sponsored by Lexcorp has to be at least in this category.
- Provisional Members: A "junior class" for helpers and members under consideration. The team has no hero-specific sidekicks.
Based on this classification, I'd like to see:
- Core members: Ultraviolet, Roxy, Fire, Ice, Nightshade
- Associate Members: Centurion
- Reserve Members: Zatanna
- Provisional Members: Silver Banshee, Starfire, Raven, Coldcast
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The logical conclusion here is that we don't agree on which of our younger heroes should or shouldn't join the team, because we lack a reference for how much of a time commitment it would be and current priority issues might contest their focus on it. With that in mind, let's pass on including any of the teenagers for now, except siobhan who is already a sponsored hero and has decent coops with most of the members we are considering, and revisit the issue after turn 33.
I like it though I would argue that Siobhan should be a core member if we go this route. While she is a bit younger she's still an adult, I believe she's at least in her twenties, and our second longest serving hero.Hello everyone, I have some thoughts to share.
For our team, I think we should have basic rules and different levels of membership of varying obligations and benefits. I propose Brittney Meld as head of superhero affairs and Riddler as her aide.
Here are the membership levels I suggest:
Offering more membership options will attract more heroes and increase our influence.
- Core Members: Full team members under Lexcorp, with complete access to the company and its resources.
- Associate Members: Full team members who aren't directly under Lexcorp. Can use dedicated team resources and make requests.
- Reserve Members: Not team members but can be called for emergencies. Everyone sponsored by Lexcorp has to be at least in this category.
- Provisional Members: A "junior class" for helpers and members under consideration. The team has no hero-specific sidekicks.
Based on this classification, I'd like to see:
- Core members: Ultraviolet, Roxy, Fire, Ice, Nightshade
- Associate Members: Centurion
- Reserve Members: Zatanna
- Provisional Members: Silver Banshee, Starfire, Raven, Coldcast
I made a shield-shaped symbol for Bastion, serving both as a meaningful emblem and a wearable badge.
Also I appreciate the badge being the LexCorp colours even if I've never loved them as being the LexCorp colours.
I would argue that we do have a reference, short of KC introducing some ne mechanic. Which I imagine we'd be informed of before any relevant vote it's "Whenever we want to" the same as it's been for Ultraviolet and Silver Banshee.
But still, at minimum you're right that we can't make a decision until we have all the information and ultimately I'd be fine leaving Starfire and Raven to be part of a Teen Titans equivalent down the road rathe than Bastion itself if that's what people want. Ideally one including Wonder Girl and Argent as well.
The problem is we would not have any relevant projects (because Raven and Cass interest would not intersect) and for any magic related projects Cass can choose Mina and Jinx who has better coops with her. And there is no much point in working on Raven coops with Cass if they would work together only once in blue moon. It makes sense only if they are expected to fight together relatively often or Raven is expected to assist Cass with her studies on more or less official basis, or there is some kind of long term project they are working together on.
Don't worry it does not bother me.
I think that just being on the superhero roster with Ultraviolet would be a nice boost to Cass superhero reputation, let alone all the accomplishments she would be able to gain during various alien invasions and so on even if she only focuses on organizing coordination between heroes.
And if it does not allow her to gain another five or even ten stat points in stewardship, then not a big deal. To me it seems like you are pursuing some nebulous goal of Cass having 30+ points in every stat or something along those lines instead of meaningful character development, and I sit and ask myself what the fuck for.
Luthor is not aristocracy and is this limit of your vision for future Cassandra? Female version of Lex Luthor? I am not impressed. Not only it wastes her impressive martial, but also simply makes her extension of the company. Stupid masses would not even notice if she becomes 50% or 100 % more impressive with further grinding of stewardship and diplomacy. Only ones for whom higher stats are relevant are other heroes and positive reputation with them will go a long way with making heroes trust LexCorp. Regular people would follow up then.
And if we are speaking of the end game staff instead of running company it would be better IMHO to automate the hell out of it up to entire planned economy and have Lex and Cass work together on ascension or some other mystery of universe, instead of Lex leaving Cass to run company by herself. Cause I prefer her being Lex daughter over her being LexCorp heir.
Not to mention that since the goal is to deal with Superman then focusing on taking over and subverting superhero community is of more importance than boosting LexCorp ratings.
With this I can agree on all points.
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So I had a late lunch break and I wanted to touch on somethings really quickly.
I don't know how you would define "prestigious" (she certainly hasn't won any awards), she's most definitely famous. For a metaphorical comparison, all of Steve Jobs's children are famous (having wikipedia articles about them is the metric I am using for fame). Lex Luthor is at least as famous as Steve jobs in quest. Now that she's shown up in public she's a known figure and has no small degree of fame. She wouldn't be stopped on the street necessarily but she's famous enough that if she were to say throw a tantrum at a restaurant (not that I think she'd do that) people would take note of it and there likely would be tabloids about it.
This is cool. I'll say that this is all feasible in the upcoming subvotes (though it most definitely requires the use of a big write-in). I also may swipe the shield symbol you made for the organization and if I decide to do so I will award 400 exp for it. This is not a guarantee, I may decide not to use it, but it's cool to see this stuff.Hello everyone, I have some thoughts to share.
For our team, I think we should have basic rules and different levels of membership of varying obligations and benefits. I propose Brittney Meld as head of superhero affairs and Riddler as her aide.
Here are the membership levels I suggest:
Offering more membership options will attract more heroes and increase our influence.
- Core Members: Full team members under Lexcorp, with complete access to the company and its resources.
- Associate Members: Full team members who aren't directly under Lexcorp. Can use dedicated team resources and make requests.
- Reserve Members: Not team members but can be called for emergencies. Everyone sponsored by Lexcorp has to be at least in this category.
- Provisional Members: A "junior class" for helpers and members under consideration. The team has no hero-specific sidekicks.
Based on this classification, I'd like to see:
- Core members: Ultraviolet, Roxy, Fire, Ice, Nightshade
- Associate Members: Centurion
- Reserve Members: Zatanna
- Provisional Members: Silver Banshee, Starfire, Raven, Coldcast
I made a shield-shaped symbol for Bastion, serving both as a meaningful emblem and a wearable badge.
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Doesn't combat ignore coop scores?
Even if it doesn't do anything normally having people who don't work well together could theoretically lead to problems during the fight. Possibly even a debuff on some rolls.
*Shrugs* You know what, at the risk of sounding silly, I'll be frank: I think canon Cassandra Cain is cool. She kicks ass.
We all knew however she developed, she was gonna be a tykebomb. Her ability to kick ass and be cool is a large part of why I wanted Luthor to adopt her as opposed to make her a ward, and I expect that was so for many others.
Sure, it's great she is developing many other talents, but it does not evade the reason we wanted her in the first place.
So the idea that we should have her AVOID fights as long as possible sounds to me like "I want to win this role-playing game which has no victory condition so I'm going to avoid the parts of it that make it fun as long as possible."
So yes, I want to see Cassandra as a 'superhero' and have her get into fights. We can justify it however, but that's what I want.
If I wanted her to be some kind of Diplomatic or Stewardship focused kid, I'd just have pushed for us to adopt a random genius orphan.
We all knew however she developed, she was gonna be a tykebomb. Her ability to kick ass and be cool is a large part of why I wanted Luthor to adopt her as opposed to make her a ward, and I expect that was so for many others.
Sure, it's great she is developing many other talents, but it does not evade the reason we wanted her in the first place.
So the idea that we should have her AVOID fights as long as possible sounds to me like "I want to win this role-playing game which has no victory condition so I'm going to avoid the parts of it that make it fun as long as possible."
So yes, I want to see Cassandra as a 'superhero' and have her get into fights. We can justify it however, but that's what I want.
If I wanted her to be some kind of Diplomatic or Stewardship focused kid, I'd just have pushed for us to adopt a random genius orphan.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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It's having different ideas of the roles we're playing in this role playing game. I figure, Cass could kick ass just fine as a ward. Lex adopted her because he wanted her to specifically be his heir, as in the one who runs the company. So that's the thing to emphasize. I'm not opposed to her fighting, but there's a difference between her not avoiding fights and having her work as a highly publicized superhero. And the narrative of her hiding her power level is not without merit, even if I'm not married to it.
There's a thing in my head that I've been failing to work into an omake for years now, about Cass comparing David Cain and Lex. David wanted her to be a fighter, and gave her exactly the skillset she'd need to be someone else's muscle and nothing else. Lex took one look at her and decided that that was a waste, even with the brain damage that took literal magic to fix, and gave her the skillset she'd need to rule the world.
I love Cassandra Cain too, but this is Cassandra Luthor. Despite some key similarities, they're very different characters, and that's fun to me.
Gumiho
Reach heaven through violence!
Plans change.
And we got a random genius orphans in Cass.
She's our heir, she can go out and fight, but that's not her only role anymore.