Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

[jonasquinn]

So, considering that part 5 will likely include some stuff related to our superhero team* I figured it would make sense to go over what hero units may make good members, excluding our already existing heroes.

*I'm sorry I just can't bring myself to call it Bastion, I'm trying to get used it but it's a god awful name IMO and it makes me actively uncomfortable and frustrated to imagine having to deal with it going forward.

Pamela - She has powers that could prove useful and is good at dealing with people which is always useful for a hero but I think it would be a waste to devote her to that rather than keeping her where she is. Plus we don't exactly want to advertise her powers.

Roxy - She's one of our best Martial heroes, is decent at Diplomacy, gets along well with most of our dedicated superheroes and her desire for adventure suite the lifestyle of a hero. Despite all that I'm still somewhat hesitant, despite her high Martial stat she's still just a squishy regular human and I kinda like having a trumpet card we can pull out in certain situations that people can't really plan around as much.

Mari- Similar to Roxy she has high Martial and decent Diplomacy with the added benefit of having an actual power. However this all comes wi5 the rather significant caveat that she has specifically noted that she doesn't want to be a hero in the past.

Jinx - Her magic and stats make her worth considering but she's also easily dismissed because she's better off working alongside Cassandra.

Caitlin - Has good Martial and her traits generally buff her a lot but pretty poor Diplomacy, especially with that trait taken into account. Furthermore it would be a waste not to use her on Learning whenever we can and given her issues with her power I imagine she'd rather not be known for them even if she doesn't mind as much as she once did.

Siobhan - I know that there has been some debate about whether or not Siobhan should be included considering she doesn't love being a hero but I definitely think she should be. Even putting her Martial stat aside it would look very strange to the public if we didn't include her and having a group of people she could share her challenges with would likely help her out.

Raven - Very high Martial and an extremely versatile power set. While there would likely be a few issues I think the fact that she has expressed a desire to be a hero would make up for any potential downsides.

Livewire - Has great stats but doesn't exactly work great with people and would be rather difficult to sell as a superhero given her thorny demeanour. Plus she's ultimately just far more useful to us if nobody knows she has powers.

Starfire - Very good stats, has good coops with pretty much every heir unit in contention and is likely to be exceedingly good at the public facing side of superheroing. The only potential downside is if we want to position her as more of Cassandra's secret weapon than a hero though I think that's a minor concern.

Mina - KC has said she would be willing to do it theoretically and she has very solid Martial but her Diplomacy leaves a lot to be desired and she doesn't have great coops with he other candidates. Plus we'd likely have other things we'd rather have her working on.

What are people's thoughts?

 

[drake_azathoth]

What are people's thoughts?

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I think Bastion is an excellent name. It pretty well suggests defensive as opposed to aggressive operations and stability, it suggests they think of themselves as part of a greater whole, and it's neither especially self-glorifying nor obviously corporate.

Calling a superhero team 'incorporated' when that's a legal arrangement companies use to avoid responsibility for their actions isn't exactly encouraging. And infinity is kind of a hubristic adjective to use. Oddly League of Legends seemed more humble and trustworthy to me, I'd just have a hard time taking it seriously due to the video game...

More seriously, I think Raven in particular is a good idea, we have made a ton of inroads with her but it's never a good idea to underestimate the importance of a sense of purpose. Once Trigon is sorta-kinda dealt with Raven will have many reasons to stay with Lexcorp but most are selfish, giving her a sense that she's fulfilling some moral purpose there would be wise.

Siobhan is sorta in it for now regardless, and unless her music career explodes I expect that to stay. She's not enthused now, in part I think because she's been fighting the likes of Superman, but I can see her opinion turning around given the right victories over some real jerks who she can identify with her father. She did seem to kinda enjoy the Brainiac thing.

Everyone else... Eh, maybe Starfire if only to ensure she has legal coverage? She seems to enjoy the idea and has already gotten entangled in it, plus her and Raven make a good team. I think that's it. I don't think we should be too quick to put people on the superteam, unless they are into the vigilante crimefighting. We have a solid team and more people lined up.

Edit: Jinx might actually be good to put in too, if only so Cassandra's minions all have legal coverage and good PR for working together.

I'm torn on Livewire, but I think we'll end up needing to list her as a team member or independent Lexcorp hero if only because we're definitely going to want her in fights given how strong she is. We don't need to advertise the full extent of her ability.

 

[Randino Treviani]

*I'm sorry I just can't bring myself to call it Bastion, I'm trying to get used it but it's a god awful name IMO and it makes me actively uncomfortable and frustrated to imagine having to deal with it going forward.

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That's fine. You not using the name isn't offensive or important. You posting a paragraph about what a horrible name it is in your opinion every time you bring up the team is starting to wear on me though. You've made this point well enough. I get that you don't like the name, but just don't focus on it then. Discuss the vote as hero units who might be eager or easily convinced to participate in superheroics, rather than as options for the team, if it's easier on you.

Roxy is a must pick and she uses her super jet for serious crime fighting actions, so she is a squishy human in a jet plane rather than just a squishy human. We'll be having her assist Carol at certain points anyway whatever we pick so it's not like she'd be safer for being left out. As for planning around her? There is only so your common villain can do to get effective anti air, and we can make it harder by upgrading her special plane after expanding Ferris Aerospace, and reverse engineering Brainiacs forcefield tech.

Mari is wait and see case unfortunately. Maybe her opinion has changed or maybe she can be drawn in with the right incentives, but it's all just speculation for now.

Jinx definitely has better things to do than be full time, but she also works well with Siobhan, and it's not like we have many need Jinx options in mind for the next few turns when it comes to Cassandra. Advanced mathematics for instance isn't a very jinx option. The strongest argument against is that Mina, and Raven if we fix their issues, represent a chance to for Jinx to develop her magic skills, and splitting her Cass, Magic, and superheroics, is a no go.

Soibhan has to be a hero regardless. People who can handle the parts she hates while she stands there looking professional is an upside.

 

[wabbitking]

So, considering that part 5 will likely include some stuff related to our superhero team* I figured it would make sense to go over what hero units may make good members, excluding our already existing heroes.

*I'm sorry I just can't bring myself to call it Bastion, I'm trying to get used it but it's a god awful name IMO and it makes me actively uncomfortable and frustrated to imagine having to deal with it going forward.

Pamela - She has powers that could prove useful and is good at dealing with people which is always useful for a hero but I think it would be a waste to devote her to that rather than keeping her where she is. Plus we don't exactly want to advertise her powers.

Roxy - She's one of our best Martial heroes, is decent at Diplomacy, gets along well with most of our dedicated superheroes and her desire for adventure suite the lifestyle of a hero. Despite all that I'm still somewhat hesitant, despite her high Martial stat she's still just a squishy regular human and I kinda like having a trumpet card we can pull out in certain situations that people can't really plan around as much.

Mari- Similar to Roxy she has high Martial and decent Diplomacy with the added benefit of having an actual power. However this all comes wi5 the rather significant caveat that she has specifically noted that she doesn't want to be a hero in the past.

Jinx - Her magic and stats make her worth considering but she's also easily dismissed because she's better off working alongside Cassandra.

Caitlin - Has good Martial and her traits generally buff her a lot but pretty poor Diplomacy, especially with that trait taken into account. Furthermore it would be a waste not to use her on Learning whenever we can and given her issues with her power I imagine she'd rather not be known for them even if she doesn't mind as much as she once did.

Siobhan - I know that there has been some debate about whether or not Siobhan should be included considering she doesn't love being a hero but I definitely think she should be. Even putting her Martial stat aside it would look very strange to the public if we didn't include her and having a group of people she could share her challenges with would likely help her out.

Raven - Very high Martial and an extremely versatile power set. While there would likely be a few issues I think the fact that she has expressed a desire to be a hero would make up for any potential downsides.

Livewire - Has great stats but doesn't exactly work great with people and would be rather difficult to sell as a superhero given her thorny demeanour. Plus she's ultimately just far more useful to us if nobody knows she has powers.

Starfire - Very good stats, has good coops with pretty much every heir unit in contention and is likely to be exceedingly good at the public facing side of superheroing. The only potential downside is if we want to position her as more of Cassandra's secret weapon than a hero though I think that's a minor concern.

Mina - KC has said she would be willing to do it theoretically and she has very solid Martial but her Diplomacy leaves a lot to be desired and she doesn't have great coops with he other candidates. Plus we'd likely have other things we'd rather have her working on.

What are people's thoughts?

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I'm fine with most of your assessments We don't have to put Siobhan on her actions every turn*. And since Mari doesn't want to be a hero we shouldn't push her. I want Starfire to be a hero and I think Jinx can occasionally doing hero work but not as her main Job. I'm fine with using Roxy as a Hero we just have to upgrade her a bit at some point. Whether that's just giving her a freeze ray or soemthing or a full on super serum or robotic/cybernetic conversion is to be seen.


*In fact we I think we should put her on our music action this turn.

 

[Randino Treviani]

I'm fine with most of your assessments We don't have to put Siobhan on her actions every turn*. And since Mari doesn't want to be a hero we shouldn't push her. I want Starfire to be a hero and I think Jinx can occasionally doing hero work but not as her main Job. I'm fine with using Roxy as a Hero we just have to upgrade her a bit at some point. Whether that's just giving her a freeze ray or soemthing or a full on super serum or robotic/cybernetic conversion is to be seen.


*In fact we I think we should put her on our music action this turn.

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Roxy has a jet she relies on whenever doing serious heroing/crime fighting. Taking a learn about planes action would lower the DC and let us improve it, making her even more capable, though we don't want to ruin her and Carol's coop, so it's a thing that should be donr in moderation.

 

[jonasquinn]

I think Bastion is an excellent name. It pretty well suggests defensive as opposed to aggressive operations and stability, it suggests they think of themselves as part of a greater whole, and it's neither especially self-glorifying nor obviously corporate.

Calling a superhero team 'incorporated' when that's a legal arrangement companies use to avoid responsibility for their actions isn't exactly encouraging. And infinity is kind of a hubristic adjective to use. Oddly League of Legends seemed more humble and trustworthy to me, I'd just have a hard time taking it seriously due to the video game...

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My key issue I think is that it just doesn't sound like a team, pretty much every iconic superhero team has a name that indicates that they are an organisation or at absolute minimum is pluralistic, Bastion doesn't. Furthermore, you kinda want a superhero team to sound larger than life, to inspire hope and strike fear and uncertainty in the hearts of their opponents. Bastion sounds more like a construction company or private security contractor than anything like that.

"Infinity" isn't any more hubristic than an organisation that claims to represent the very concept of justice or equates itself with literal deities. IMO it's just the right level of grandiose to fit right in among other superhero team names and the DC writers would agree with me.

Also I can't help but find the concerns about the usage of "Inc" kinda ridiculous. The average person would just see it as a fun name rather than some deeper signifier and, as far as I'm aware, the team has continuously existed throughout DC canon without anyone complaining about their name.

More seriously, I think Raven in particular is a good idea, we have made a ton of inroads with her but it's never a good idea to underestimate the importance of a sense of purpose. Once Trigon is sorta-kinda dealt with Raven will have many reasons to stay with Lexcorp but most are selfish, giving her a sense that she's fulfilling some moral purpose there would be wise.

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Plus having her involved in LexCorp coordinated heroics even before the Trigon situation is resolved will help to reinforces us as the good guys in her mind.

Edit: Jinx might actually be good to put in too, if only so Cassandra's minions all have legal coverage and good PR for working together.

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Honestly I doubt we'll have Jinx on too many actions requiring her to have VAA coverage.

I'm torn on Livewire, but I think we'll end up needing to list her as a team member or independent Lexcorp hero if only because we're definitely going to want her in fights given how strong she is. We don't need to advertise the full extent of her ability.

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I think we're better off keeping her powers secret for as long as we can plus I highly doubt anyone will complain about Leslie using them in emergency situations like another invasion especially when she has LexCorp lawyers backing her up.

That's fine. You not using the name isn't offensive or important. You posting a paragraph about what a horrible name it is in your opinion every time you bring up the team is starting to wear on me though. You've made this point well enough. I get that you don't like the name, but just don't focus on it then. Discuss the vote as hero units who might be eager or easily convinced to participate in superheroics, rather than as options for the team, if it's easier on you.

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You're right, I'm sorry. It's just… it really grates on me especially since it's not like I can just ignore it, it's going to be a major part of the quest going forward. Every time I read it I'm just going to be thinking, "God that's a bad name." and it frustrates me.

Roxy is a must pick and she uses her super jet for serious crime fighting actions, so she is a squishy human in a jet plane rather than just a squishy human. We'll be having her assist Carol at certain points anyway whatever we pick so it's not like she'd be safer for being left out. As for planning around her? There is only so your common villain can do to get effective anti air, and we can make it harder by upgrading her special plane after expanding Ferris Aerospace, and reverse engineering Brainiacs forcefield tech.

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Fair enough though my primary concern for people planning around her was less regular villains and more situations like the Kryptonian Invasion.

Jinx definitely has better things to do than be full time, but she also works well with Siobhan, and it's not like we have many need Jinx options in mind for the next few turns when it comes to Cassandra. Advanced mathematics for instance isn't a very jinx option. The strongest argument against is that Mina, and Raven if we fix their issues, represent a chance to for Jinx to develop her magic skills, and splitting her Cass, Magic, and superheroics, is a no go.

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I kinda feel like it's in our best interests to keep Jinx separate. Even if she's not directly working with Cassandra she's generally better off on Intrigue actions than anything else and I also think it's better to keep Jinx as Cassandra's version of Mercy, a bodyguard/assistant who just focuses on fulfilling those roles and isn necessarily known to the general public.

Roxy has a jet she relies on whenever doing serious heroing/crime fighting. Taking a learn about planes action would lower the DC and let us improve it, making her even more capable, though we don't want to ruin her and Carol's coop, so it's a thing that should be donr in moderation.

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I also think at a certain point we should we should have Roxy make the transition from jet to spaceship. In my ideal world we'd steal or replicate the Great Ten's Dragonwing.

 

[Torgamous]

Edit: Jinx might actually be good to put in too, if only so Cassandra's minions all have legal coverage and good PR for working together.

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Is that even necessary? Sponsoring someone for legal purposes shouldn't require putting them on a highly publicized team.

Starfire - Very good stats, has good coops with pretty much every heir unit in contention and is likely to be exceedingly good at the public facing side of superheroing. The only potential downside is if we want to position her as more of Cassandra's secret weapon than a hero though I think that's a minor concern.

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Starfire's versatile and her best coop scores are Cass and Jinx. She's a strong candidate for Cass' left hand, and putting her in Bastion feels like a waste.

 

[jonasquinn]

Starfire's versatile and her best coop scores are Cass and Jinx. She's a strong candidate for Cass' left hand, and putting her in Bastion feels like a waste.

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Keep in mind that, from what I understand at least, being a member of Bastion doesn't necessarily mean that that's all she does. She can still do things with Cassandra and Jinx.

Plus while they may be her best coop scores Starfire has no shortage of good ones amongst our superheroes. Additionally an argument could be made that Cassandra's left hand woman being a famous superhero would only be good for her. After all it would give Cassandra a whole other Avenue or control and manipulation that not even Lex has.

 

[Torgamous]

Ah, yeah, I guess I was thinking of this more like a Doofquest heroball that absorbs the units assigned to it. My bad. No objections.

 

[drake_azathoth]

*Shrugs* I guess the question is: Do we plan to actually use Cassandra's absurd Martial talent against acceptable targets?

King_Crimson has been pretty clear he's not exactly kill-happy, so I don't see why we wouldn't on occasion.

Because we can joke about evil Teen Titans, but we indeed have a Martial steamroller with the younger girls and Cassandra is pretty much perfect for uniting them. Sure, there are other things they all can do, but if they are going be aimed at various threats together down the line, Cass might as well profit from that in terms of PR. So I see Starfire and Jinx joining as sort of a prelude to Cassandra joining when she's older and it's more acceptable for a 'mere mortal' to put herself at risk.

I'm kinda skeptical about keeping her ability under wraps forever. At some point, she's going to need to defend herself in front of witnesses, and it seems a stretch the tower's staff is ignorant of her sparring with the superhuman orange alien girl and the ninjas we hired and so forth. She's a tyke bomb, we can conceal that for a few more years but at some point it'll get out.

So I guess I'm thinking we have full-time adult Bastion members and then the 'Junior team'. Keeping in mind even the adults aren't exactly working a forty hour week just superheroing.

 

[Randino Treviani]

We did just pick a trait for Cassandra Leading teams. It does make a certain sense, and would give her opportunities to test herself against powerful opponents.

 

[jonasquinn]

*Shrugs* I guess the question is: Do we plan to actually use Cassandra's absurd Martial talent against acceptable targets?

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Not for another 10+ turns we don't and even if we did that by absolutely no means requires Cassandra to be a superhero.

King_Crimson has been pretty clear he's not exactly kill-happy, so I don't see why we wouldn't on occasion.

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Firstly, just because Cassandra probably won't die doesn't mean other bad things can't happen.

Secondly sure we'll probably put Cassandra on Martial actions on occasion but that still doesn't justify having her become a member of a superhero team, which there are little to no benefits to doing for her.

Because we can joke about evil Teen Titans, but we indeed have a Martial steamroller with the younger girls and Cassandra is pretty much perfect for uniting them. Sure, there are other things they all can do, but if they are going be aimed at various threats together down the line, Cass might as well profit from that in terms of PR. So I see Starfire and Jinx joining as sort of a prelude to Cassandra joining when she's older and it's more acceptable for a 'mere mortal' to put herself at risk.

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Including Cassandra on several such actions risks pushing things over the +98 threshold and Cassandra has plenty of ways to earn PR without this taking up her time as well. Plus she absolutely could still earn positive PR from being involved in superhero operations without being one herself, for example by being the strategist and person coming up with plans. The thing she just became amazing at.

I'm also vehemently against having Jinx join the team. She is specifically employed as Cassandra's assistant/bodyguard. Not only would making her an official superhero as well dilute that relationship but it would also remove the element of surprise for anyone that may underestimate what she and Cassandra are capable of.

I'm kinda skeptical about keeping her ability under wraps forever. At some point, she's going to need to defend herself in front of witnesses, and it seems a stretch the tower's staff is ignorant of her sparring with the superhuman orange alien girl and the ninjas we hired and so forth. She's a tyke bomb, we can conceal that for a few more years but at some point it'll get out.

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We don't have to keep it a secret. "Cassandra Luthor is an extremely talented martial artist" isn't some dirty secret we have to keep buried nor is it one we particularly have to justify. It's not a reason to make her a superhero.

We did just pick a trait for Cassandra Leading teams. It does make a certain sense, and would give her opportunities to test herself against powerful opponents.

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Is… that a thing we care about? She's Cassandra Luthor, not Cassandra Cain. Having an extremely high Martial is great but not the thing that should be her primary focus.

As for that trait, it doesn't apply to actions only events. If we decide to involve her in the occasional even then sure but she doesn't need to be a hero to do that.

 

[Randino Treviani]

Is… that a thing we care about? She's Cassandra Luthor, not Cassandra Cain. Having an extremely high Martial is great but not the thing that should be her primary focus.

As for that trait, it doesn't apply to actions only events. If we decide to involve her in the occasional even then sure but she doesn't need to be a hero to do that.

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It feels like a thing she wants to do. Go out, test these skills that are so strong against meaningful enemies of the company. We'll see what the vote says about her.

 

[Torgamous]

It feels like a thing she wants to do. Go out, test these skills that are so strong against meaningful enemies of the company. We'll see what the vote says about her.

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I haven't gotten the impression that the skills she wants to go out and use are limited to the ones David taught her.

 

[Randino Treviani]

I haven't gotten the impression that the skills she wants to go out and use are limited to the ones David taught her.

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David is only responsible for a fraction of her abilities. She has learned just as much if not more from us. In particular I expect she is eager to put her battle strategy and field command training to practical use.

 

[Torgamous]

David is only responsible for a fraction of her abilities. She has learned just as much if not more from us. In particular I expect she is eager to put her battle strategy and field command training to practical use.

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Right, what I mean is she'd also be happy if we gave her a subsidiary to run, or let her design the next generation of power armor. She seems to be more generally frustrated with only doing training than she is specifically eager to go out and do combat.

 

[drake_azathoth]

I'm also vehemently against having Jinx join the team. She is specifically employed as Cassandra's assistant/bodyguard. Not only would making her an official superhero as well dilute that relationship but it would also remove the element of surprise for anyone that may underestimate what she and Cassandra are capable of.

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...We just had an event not a while ago where Jinx met Doctor Fate and he was like "Watch out for this girl folks! She's dangerous!" Lois Lane is terrified of Cassandra, and Cassandra gets her jollies by tweaking that fear in front of Superman. Diana already knows all about Jinx, so does Tala and Savanna and numerous others we don't fully control. Ra's al Ghul knows all about Cassandra.

I'm not optimistic that strategy will hold up long-term.

I also frankly think it's reaching the point where they are so formidable we lose more than we gain with the idea. Sure, it's nice to be underestimated, but if people know Starfire is her bodyguard they're not going to send in cannon fodder if they're aiming for Cassandra anyway. And pretty obviously, she can't overtly use talents that are supposed to be secret, and there are times it'd be useful to do so.

I'm not exactly in a rush to put them in costume, but if you ask 'who's a future member of Bastion' it's pretty obvious to me.

 

[King crimson]

Lois Lane is terrified of Cassandra, and Cassandra gets her jollies by tweaking that fear in front of Superman.

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Sorry to be a bit of a pedant again but while this is technically not incorrect (Cassandra did in fact enjoy tweaking Lois's fear in front of Superman), it's also a little misleading since Cassandra isn't aware that Clark Kent is Superman so she didn't intend to do it in front of Superman. I'd also like to point out that Cassandra was deliberately manipulating conflict between members of the Daily Planet and was hoping she could drive Clark Kent to kill Bruce Wayne out of jealousy in that same instance.

Edit: Something I do want to note about all of this, Cassandra indulging in her sadism against people she pretty explicitly views as enemies was in part influenced by her assessment that they couldn't hit back at her because she was a thirteen year old girl and the public wouldn't look on members of the Daily Planet shouting at her or getting into a fight with her positively.

 

[jonasquinn]

It feels like a thing she wants to do. Go out, test these skills that are so strong against meaningful enemies of the company. We'll see what the vote says about her.

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Ehh, I've always interpreted her as wanting to play a large role in the running of the company and improving the Luthor name rather than caring about getting into fights with people. After all, she already has plenty of people she can test herself against.

David is only responsible for a fraction of her abilities. She has learned just as much if not more from us. In particular I expect she is eager to put her battle strategy and field command training to practical use.

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She literally just got those abilities. If anything the skills she likely wants to primarily put to the test will be the ones Lex has instilled in her over the years that she hasn't had a real chance to use, primarily her intellectual and diplomatic abilities.

...We just had an event not a while ago where Jinx met Doctor Fate and he was like "Watch out for this girl folks! She's dangerous!"

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He literally only said that to Superman.

Lois Lane is terrified of Cassandra, and Cassandra gets her jollies by tweaking that fear in front of Superman. Diana already knows all about Jinx, so does Tala and Savanna and numerous others we don't fully control. Ra's al Ghul knows all about Cassandra.

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And none of those people are particularly likely to be the ones causing us problems.

I'm not optimistic that strategy will hold up long-term.

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It doesn't really have to. If it makes Cassandra and Jinx's lives easier even once against someone targeting them then it's worth it, especially since there's no real benefit to splitting their attention with heroics.

I also frankly think it's reaching the point where they are so formidable we lose more than we gain with the idea. Sure, it's nice to be underestimated, but if people know Starfire is her bodyguard they're not going to send in cannon fodder if they're aiming for Cassandra anyway.

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It doesn't matter who they send, if they aren't expecting Cassandra and Jinx to be as capable as they are it's an extra advantage.

And what are we supposedly losing by not having them as heroes? As far as I can tell nothing. They don't particularly want to do it, they're better spent elsewhere and we have plenty of other superheroes already.

And pretty obviously, she can't overtly use talents that are supposed to be secret, and there are times it'd be useful to do so.

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I'm not saying we actively go out of our way to keep Cassandra and Jinx's abilities secret when it would benefit us to do otherwise, just that I see no benefit to spilling the secret like this.

I'm not exactly in a rush to put them in costume, but if you ask 'who's a future member of Bastion' it's pretty obvious to me.

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Frankly I'm of the opinion that Cassandra should never be a superhero. A Luthor lowering hemselves to wearing spandex and punching criminals is anathema to what they're supposed to stand for, they are the true saviours of mankind.

They make the plans, lead, rule and only get into fights when necessary. Leave the dirty work to the henchmen.

 

[Torgamous]

Cassandra should be a boss, in that she directs the minions and in that she'll kick your ass if you get past the minions.

 

[Alex Sol]

I already mentioned it, but I think if we plan to include Raven and Starfire into superhero team, then we should try to include Cassandra too. Just not necessary in martial role. She can work on the comms, lead team remotely as desk operator, or fill other roles that don't put her on the battlefield.

 

[Adrian XXIV]

Just not necessary in martial role. She can work on the comms, lead team remotely as desk operator, or fill other roles that don't put her on the battlefield.

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It's probably me (again) "thinking about eggs before buying chicken", but Oracle would be perfect in this role (gives that's what she was doing in the comics)

 

[Sirrocco]

Cassandra should be a boss, in that she directs the minions and in that she'll kick your ass if you get past the minions.

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Given that (if I recall correctly) she just picked up a pretty potent trait for leading small groups of elite individuals, she'd be pretty boss as a boss.

 

[Alex Sol]

It's probably me (again) "thinking about eggs before buying chicken", but Oracle would be perfect in this role (gives that's what she was doing in the comics)

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By now Cass has roughly twice the learning score of Barbara. Cass absolutely can take the role of Oracle herself, or write a program that will work as Oracle.

 

[jonasquinn]

I already mentioned it, but I think if we plan to include Raven and Starfire into superhero team, then we should try to include Cassandra too. Just not necessary in martial role. She can work on the comms, lead team remotely as desk operator, or fill other roles that don't put her on the battlefield.

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That's fine but rather notably are all things that wouldn't require Cassandra to actually be a member of the team.

That's what we have to keep in mind here. Cassandra can still do things to help our superhero team without being a member herself whereas becoming a fully fledged member just places more limitations on her and her time.