Lex Sedet In Vertice: A Supervillain in the DCU CK2 quest

What sort of tone should I shoot for with this Quest?

  • Go as crack fueled as you can we want Ambush Bug, Snowflame and Duckseid

    Votes: 30 7.7%
  • Go for something silly but keep a little bit of reason

    Votes: 31 7.9%
  • Adam West Camp

    Votes: 27 6.9%
  • Balanced as all things should be

    Votes: 195 50.0%
  • Mostly serious but not self-involvedly so

    Votes: 73 18.7%
  • Dark and brooding but with light at the end of the tunnel

    Votes: 12 3.1%
  • We're evil and we don't want anyone to be happy

    Votes: 22 5.6%

  • Total voters
    390
  • Poll closed .
Lois in other hand realy show her cracks when theres no Monster to slay.
Its intresthing to say the least.
It's a combination of Woodrue's pheramone blast and her own politics.

The pheramones made her focus on us, her politics makes her lambast and rage like current year twitter mob.

Hence our major focus on acquiring soft power, favours and influence.

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Though our politics do overlap in different directions. She wants the US to disarm nukes because she's against WMDs on principle and it's environmentally friendly. We want the US to disarm nukes because they are obsolete and the US should buy newer shit from LexCorp, also it is environmentally friendly.
 
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I just like to say i like how unlikeble lois lane is in this quest.
I mean superman is the brick that Lex is cosmically fated to hate but he is passive enough that he realy isnt a problem.
Lois in other hand realy show her cracks when theres no Monster to slay.
Its intresthing to say the least.
I've commented on this a good number of times but I think this reaction in and of itself is interesting. The thing that I think people often let slip past them is that Lois is right. She doesn't have evidence for her hunches yet (hence why she needs to investigate things) but her hunches are right. Lex Luthor is an amoral individual whose company crosses ethical boundaries and does messed up things, that's a fact and while it's not known to the public, the fact of the matter is that Lois is right in what she wants to accuse you of.

Furthermore her issues with the government regarding Volcana were very much valid and correct, she was right about Galaxy Communications being bad news and when she investigated the attempts on her life by someone using old LexCorp technology, she very quickly deduced that LexCorp was not responsible and didn't fixate on them any more than she needed to.

It's an interesting thing to consider that Lois is generally right and that people hate her regardless, mostly because she's right but can't prove it and is willing to cause you problems trying to find said proof.

I personally theorize that people don't hate Lois because she's a bad person per se (although her flaws very much have come to light in this quest) but rather because she's good at her job and causes the thread problems. It's similar to why some people hate Wayne Enterprises but have less of an issue with Queen Industries despite the two companies being fairly similar if looked at objectively.
 
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I personally theorize that people don't hate Lois because she's a bad person per se (although her flaws very much have come to light in this quest) but rather because she's good at her job and causes the thread problems. It's similar to why some people hate Wayne Enterprises but have less of an issue with Queen Industries despite the two companies being fairly similar if looked at objectively.
I can confirm for me personally it is because she is so fixated on us and causes us so many problems. If she was focused on someone else i doubt i would really care what she was up to.
 
It's a combination of Woodrue's pheramone blast and her own politics.

The pheramones made her focus on us, her politics makes her lambast and rage like current year twitter mob.

I mean before we enabled vertigo and Bee, she did way more evil to the world than Lex in the form of destabilizing santa prisca and lead to the even that made Bane basicaly Dr doom.
Oh yeah, Lex is a high functioning sociopath and a narcissist.
The thing is since she have verry few means to actualy bring possitive change on a wider scale, Lois wrecking ball aproach falls flat on its face when the other party dont act cartoonistly evil.
That ends up supporting Lex narrative making her come out as a terrible reporter.

But abbout hating her... Errr. Sure she is a larger problem than superman but i do not hate her. Same with wane enterprises to a lesser extend they are just business rivals and the tread overall dont realy like set the real superheroes to fail unless they REALY want to keep fucking with us.

-Edit: Making it less horrible to read
 
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It's an interesting thing to consider that Lois is generally right and that people hate her regardless, mostly because she's right but can't prove it and is willing to cause you problems trying to find said proof.
I think that this is mostly the case, we hate Lois because while she is objectively right that we're shady as fuck she doesn't have a scrap of evidence to justify her bias so she just comes across as a stubborn ass

Though I also think there are three other reasons for our dislike of her:

1) One of the few times we consented to an interview with her was when we'd hired Pamela and for once were unequivocally in the right yet she still wrote an article that slammed us and Pamela while praising Woodrue, admittedly while under his influence, which she later had to retract

2) She's kind of the only reason Superman is suspicious of us because he's, to be unflattering, thinking with the wrong head and assuming Lois can't be completely wrong about us

3) Whenever she can she tends to write stories that intentionally portray Superman in the best light possible while downplaying the role LexCorp or those tied to it played, for example the Intergang assault
It's similar to why some people hate Wayne Enterprises but have less of an issue with Queen Industries despite the two companies being fairly similar if looked at objectively.
To be fair Queen Industries directly competes with us less and if we really wanted to we could theoretically buy them out much easier than Wayne
 
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Hence the disingenuous assertions to try and get us to assault her for clickbait?


I wouldn't go that far (I understand this is meant to be humor but I wanted to clarify in case people took it seriously). Yes, Lois would happily antagonize LexCorp but by that same token she absolutely does not want you to send men to beat her up for writing negative opinion pieces so that she has proof of LexCorp being evil.
@King crimson , has Lois reflected on the events of Santa Prisca on how her reporting may or may not lead to people suffering, do you have an opinion on this?
Lois has attempted to reflect on the events of Santa Prisca but she isn't operating with full knowledge of what's going on. From her perspective (simplified of course) she wrote an article about a corrupt government mistreating its own people, there was a war and now everything has gone dark since Bane took over and now Santa Priscans may or may not be attempting to have her killed.

Lois hypothetically could have handled things better regarding the initial situation but considering that once the Santa Priscan government was destroyed, the US government under Eiling, nominally the people she should have informed, helped set up and assist a government just as bad as what came before it just in different ways (Bane's regime is not pleasant). On the one hand, blowing things out into the open resulted in deaths indirectly, but on the other hand telling the people who supposedly could have handled things would've likely resulted in the exact same amount of death and evil just in a different way and with people less aware of it.

I don't think it's a black and white issue and it's not something I think I ought to weigh in on with my own personal beliefs. Like there's a solid philosophical debate to be had here because this is pretty much a trolley problem to be solved.
I mean before enable vertigo and Bee she did way more evil to the world than Lex in the form o de stabling santa prisca and lead to the even that made Bane basicaly Dr doom.
And overall paint a realy bad picture of her.
I mean I kind of get where you're coming from but firstly Lex Luthor is personally responsible for murdering and torturing people well before enabling Vertigo, secondly Lex Luthor had Serial Peacemaking fight in the Santa Priscan revolution in order to aid Bane and actively helped General Eiling, who had a direct hand in setting up Bane's regime and signing off on it as okay meaning he's even more involved in that than Lois ever was. Everything that Lois did wrong Lex also played a part in (making Intergang a lot more aggressive and willing to take risks is something both Lois and Lex contributed to but Lex did it by killing people while Lois did it by writing articles). On the whole morally speaking Lex has done more damage to the world than Lois hands down. He's also arguably made more contributions to the world as well but that's an entirely different argument to be had.
Oh yeah, Lex is a narcissist high functioning sociopath.
The thing is her wrecking ball aproach falls flat on its face when the other party dont act cartoonistly evil, since she have verry few means to actualy bring possitive change on a wider scale.
That ends up suporting Lex narrative and she does come out as prety bad.

But abbout hating her... Errr. Sure she is a larger problem than superman but i do not hate her. Same with wane enterprises to a lesser extend they are just business rivals and the tread overall dont realy like set the real superheroes to fail unless they REALY want to keep fucking with us.
Firstly I'd like to say that the hating/dislike isn't meant to be personal so much as it is general. I don't want to make assertions about you specifically but there have been comments about how much people hate/dislike Lois and so I wanted to cover that topic since it seemed to be what you were discussing. similarly Wayne Enterprises being disliked was just a trend and a similar point of comparison that I thought would illustrate what I'm talking about.

As for Lois' wrecking ball approach failing and falling flat on its face, I'd argue that it's not really the case. Lois has been able to do good things and she's got the ability to get the ball rolling in certain situations. She just has a billion dollar corporation as well as at least one government entity actively undermining her ability to get anything done. Most notably a lot of Superman's positive reception can be traced back to Lois and despite all of Lex's power and allies, he's still unable to completely undermine the work she's done.
 
As for Lois' wrecking ball approach failing and falling flat on its face, I'd argue that it's not really the case. Lois has been able to do good things and she's got the ability to get the ball rolling in certain situations. She just has a billion dollar corporation as well as at least one government entity actively undermining her ability to get anything done. Most notably a lot of Superman's positive reception can be traced back to Lois and despite all of Lex's power and allies, he's still unable to completely undermine the work she's done.
Yeah, as much as it would really benefit us for Lois to be incompetent she is genuinely one of the best and most ethical journalists in the world who I believe has written several Pulitzer Prize winning exposes

And as long as she keepers her grubby little investigative fingers away from us she can keep succeeding for all I care, especially because the more successful Lois becomes the more inclined Lucy becomes to doubling down on working for us
 
Lois hypothetically could have handled things better regarding the initial situation but considering that once the Santa Priscan government was destroyed, the US government under Eiling, nominally the people she should have informed, helped set up and assist a government just as bad as what came before it just in different ways (Bane's regime is not pleasant). On the one hand, blowing things out into the open resulted in deaths indirectly, but on the other hand telling the people who supposedly could have handled things would've likely resulted in the exact same amount of death and evil just in a different way and with people less aware of it.
Which means of course, the best way to screw with Lois is to take over Santa Prisca, install a puppet government that answers to LexCorp and bring the country to prosperity by turning 1/3 of it into a playground for the Rich & Famous like Monaco, 1/3 into agriculture for sustinence and the 1/3 into OzzyLand.

The good news is that we will have removed it as one of the key developers in Gotham's drug trade and make significant gains in the War on Drugs, doing lots of good.

Also enormous profit and leverage on Zesti Cola which we may be able to buy out. Any suggestions on what to substitute Addad well water with?
 
Ok on the quotes related to me.

1-Comparing Lois and lex ona good bad scale is not realy my intentions, Rule of Tumb Lois is objectively good, Lex despite our efforts is amoral/neutral at best.
This let us into:
2- Her wrecking ball aproach dont work verry well because while yes she can get the ball roling she dont realy have enough soft power to ensure that her intended outcome come into fruition
This is more due the nature of the golden age comics where story did rely on black and white morality and where Lex was a fat guy on a helicopter chair that steals 40 cakes for the hell of it.
This a criticism on DC as hole trough and i could go on and on talking about it using hall jordan as a base (i realy hate hall jordan) but that besides the point.

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On a totaly diferent note can someone please explain to me what was the reason we enable Bee? With vertigo i get it, we awnted the rock power research but Bee sounds just unecessary.
 
Ok on the quotes related to me.

1-Comparing Lois and lex ona good bad scale is not realy my intentions, Rule of Tumb Lois is objectively good, Lex despite our efforts is amoral/neutral at best.
Uhhh what? We're not trying to turn into a good guy here, we keep our villainy down for pragmatic reasons, not out of any concerns about morality.

On a totaly diferent note can someone please explain to me what was the reason we enable Bee? With vertigo i get it, we awnted the rock power research but Bee sounds just unecessary.
Because she is extremly compatible with us personality and goals wise? She can provide us a safe haven where we can conduct all the illegal experiments we want out of the eyes of the general public?
 
On a totaly diferent note can someone please explain to me what was the reason we enable Bee? With vertigo i get it, we awnted the rock power research but Bee sounds just unecessary.
As has been said Queen Bee's goals align almost completely with ours and the few spots where they don't aren't really issues

Basically we don't have any reason not to align ourselves with the very skilled woman whose goals aligns with our own, wants to work with us and runs her own country
 
On a totaly diferent note can someone please explain to me what was the reason we enable Bee? With vertigo i get it, we awnted the rock power research but Bee sounds just unecessary.
We cannot do everything we want and she's helping take down HIVE which would be a hinderence to our goals.

Also once she hijack HIVE, as an ally we would also gain copies of data DOMA keeps secret from us.
 
I not saying we are, but trying to play the supervillan on the DC universe is a fools gamble at best.
Lex real objective is s to become the simbol of his generation and pointless cruelty is ill advised.
We dont realy need human experimentation whe we can fesebly grow test subjects on a magical tube.
We cannot do everything we want and she's helping take down HIVE which would be a hinderence to our goals.

Also once she hijack HIVE, as an ally we would also gain copies of data DOMA keeps secret from us.

Ok this is a valid reason now.
 
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I not saying we are, but trying to play the supervillan on the DC universe is a fools gamble at best.
Lex real objective is s to become the simbol of his generation and pointless cruelty is ill advised.
We dont realy need human experimentation whe we can fesebly grow test subjects on a magical tube.


Ok this is a valid reason now.
............... We have already conducted human experiementation numerous times before we even met Queen Bee. We havent put in any serious effort to lookong into the biosciences about cloing as of yet. And i fail to see how growing test subjects specifically for human experiementation is any better than what we have already done.

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Yes our real goal is to become the symbol of our generation, specifically by crushing superman who we have to take action against or we let our nemesis meter grow to big and Lex will start taking actions without our consent.
 
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............... We have already conducted human experiementation numerous times before we even met Queen Bee. We havent put in any serious effort to lookong into the biosciences as of yet. And i fail to see how growing test subjects specifically for human experiementation is any better than what we have already done.
No trails if we have a blacksite totally locked. One thing is the experiments on intergang goon that no one would miss and where Lex have full control, other thing is having these experiments on Beealia or Valtevia where we have to rely on vertigo and Bee's discretion, since these 2 attract superhero intervention like the Batsignal . Lex thrive on its secrecy and opsec, outsourcing our crimes aginst humanity installations to a tird party is a mistake.
 
No trails if we have a blacksite totally locked. One thing is the experiments on intergang goon that no one would miss and where Lex have full control, other thing is having these experiments on Beealia or Valtevia where we have to rely on vertigo and Bee's discretion, since these 2 attract superhero intervention like the Batsignal . Lex thrive on its secrecy and opsec, outsourcing our crimes aginst humanity installations to a tird party is a mistake.
I mean, keep in mind that Queen Bee literally has complete and total control over Biyalia and can basically provide us with test subjects and have everyone in the country swear they were either volunteers or horrible criminals
 
No trails if we have a blacksite totally locked. One thing is the experiments on intergang goon that no one would miss and where Lex have full control, other thing is having these experiments on Beealia or Valtevia where we have to rely on vertigo and Bee's discretion, since these 2 attract superhero intervention like the Batsignal . Lex thrive on its secrecy and opsec, outsourcing our crimes aginst humanity installations to a tird party is a mistake.
'Sighs'

So far we have seen that Queen Bee is as meticulous, pragmatic and concerned about op sec as we are if not more so with the whole mind controlling her minions with her power.

Vertigo, who we are pretty openly in an alliance with, has just declared war on another country after said country totally tried to kill his neice, what no it was not a false flag op conducted by vertigo and has performed human experimentation which we funded. Not good for us if that comes out.

Also i find it hilarious that you came into a supervillain quest and appear to be against up acting as a supervillain.
 
Also i find it hilarious that you came into a supervillain quest and appear to be against up acting as a supervillain.
I dont want to act dumb, i came to a Lex luthor quest to see if he can win for once. Be a mustache twirling villain asking to be exposed, i want to play a a evil *genius* to win in a word that seated you up to fail.

I mean, keep in mind that Queen Bee literally has complete and total control over Biyalia and can basically provide us with test subjects and have everyone in the country swear they were either volunteers or horrible criminals

The thing is not internal security that is a problem with bee is that she is superhero bait, if anyone exposes her is a massive international scandal and Lex would be draged into it.
Vertigo is bad but we way more plausible diniability to get off if he gets burned, and his control over his country is not literaly brainwashing.
 
The thing is not internal security that is a problem with bee is that she is superhero bait, if anyone exposes her is a massive international scandal and Lex would be draged into it.
Vertigo is bad but we way more plausible diniability to get off if he gets burned, and his control over his country is not literaly brainwashing.
She's no more superhero bait than Lex himself is, there's absolutely nothing to indicate that her actions are suspicious or that she's drawn undo attention
 
Cassandra is twelve as of this writing (she has her birthday on every turn that's a multiple of four so on turn 28 she went from being four to being twelve) so she'd probably be at the start of puberty but in the simplified internal diagnostics I use to determine character age categories she's passed none of the transitory age markers to stop being a child (13, 16 and 18). For all intents and purposes while in-universe she might have started to stop looking like a child, within the quest mechanics she'll only start being counted as a teenager in four more turns.

This isn't to discredit the idea that a full body suit could conceal Cassandra's identity but it is a wrinkle I thought was relevant to bring up.
Huh. Just turned twelve? I thought she was a year older. I'd lost track. Well, I don't actually know when Cassandra will finish her growth spurt. Probably not yet. But after she does, the full body suit could serve a useful purpose as discussed.

Before she finishes her growth spurt it's probably a bad idea to make any expensive costumes or clothing for her, simply because it'll all need to be refitted anyway.

Then again, we're stupid rich, so if we really wanted to pay for it we could... the problem would be action economy. I don't know if King would make us take another action to fit a similar but bigger costume to Cass a year from now or anything, though.
 
She's no more superhero bait than Lex himself is, there's absolutely nothing to indicate that her actions are suspicious or that she's drawn undo attention
Sure maybe im just being paranoid but i just realy don like to have a quest changing vunerability tied to a element outside of our direct control. As much you may think she is safe i rater not gamble Lex reputation
But i am just one voter, so not much i can aside from the imature thing to do.
Then again, we're stupid rich, so if we really wanted to pay for it we could... the problem would be action economy. I don't know if King would make us take another action to fit a similar but bigger costume to Cass a year from now or anything, though.
Lex have "YES" amout of money we but so if we wana make a child size warframe suit for cass we can the action cost is more a problem than the resources
 
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Lex have "YES" amout of money we but so if we wana make a child size warframe suit for cass we can the action cost is more a problem than the resources
Yeah, but the action economy is the issue.

If we can take it for granted that Lex spends the money to have Cassandra's super suit refitted to fit her growth through a growth spurt, then having one can make sense. If we'd have to take an action for that (I doubt it), then it wouldn't, because just waiting 4-6 turns is more efficient.

Depends on @King crimson .

I can confirm for me personally it is because she is so fixated on us and causes us so many problems. If she was focused on someone else i doubt i would really care what she was up to.
Blame Jason Woodrue. It's mostly his fault- and then we didn't bother to research a cure early enough to matter, although to be fair that could have been hard to apply to Lois Lane.
 
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