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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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PrimalShadow said:
It has a 25% chance of total success. More importantly in my eyes, it only has a 25% chance of total failure (zero breakthroughs), whereas the other plans have a 50% chance of this. Given that our future plans depend on having broken through (for safety, if nothing else), I want to increase the odds as much as I can.
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I don't think our future plans depend on us having broken through. After all, we have so much stuff to do anyway.
PrimalShadow said:
It's not safer.

This whole conversation strikes me as bizarre. The point of cultivation progress since our last cultivation-increase is solely to let us make breakthroughs. There is nothing else those points do. Holding off because we are worried about losing them makes as much sense as holding off from assembling a desk after you bought all the parts to it.
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There are advantages in being able to optimally get back to peak with the right use of actions and also having a good balance between "doing things" and "breakthrough".

Especially when there is time sensitive things.
 
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Arkeus said:
I don't think our future plans depend on us having broken through. After all, we have so much stuff to do anyway.
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We need to break through to reduce the odds of being successfully ganked; immediate power goes a long way towards ensuring our safety and the safety of our friends/allies. If it wasn't for this, we shouldn't be trying to break through now at all, since doing so means we can't take advantage of several of our current medicines.
 
PrimalShadow said:
We need to break through to reduce the odds of being successfully ganked; immediate power goes a long way towards ensuring our safety and the safety of our friends/allies. If it wasn't for this, we shouldn't be trying to break through now at all, since doing so means we can't take advantage of several of our current medicines.
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Nah, we want to break through because we are close to the limit of power we can get in Red Soul/Gold. We have very little we can get anymore, and a lot that's dependant on the breakthroughs. We still have a little give, though, hence why it's not we need to get there this week.

We actually don't need Yellow/Silver for safety, the whole point of the Thunderdome was making us safe for a while.
 
Arkeus said:
We actually don't need Yellow/Silver for safety, the whole point of the Thunderdome was making us safe for a while.
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Yeah, I am dubious as hell about the logic on that- it strikes me as similar to 'we can totally focus on buffing and nobody will bother to try to fight us directly'. -Cue Hong Lin trying to break our face.

We were explicitly told that from now on challenges and violence are fair game- and Kang Zihao really has nothing to lose and much to gain by seeing us humiliated at this point. Hong Ling has every reason to come back for a second go. Given the way the Sect works, that probably involves violence of some kind, so I absolutely don't think we're safe from challenge or even ambush now week to week. That's rather the point of challenges and violence being fair game.

I'm not at all suggesting we cultivate and ignore social links from now on- but as I said, we've just had bonding experiences with Meizhen and Gu, and we can see Li Suyin and still try for a double breakthrough to give ourselves th e edge if somebody tries to bring us down with numbers again. Delaying that to pick out a nice apartment just strikes me as having the wrong priorities- this isn't a nursery school, and if we let ourselves fall behind the pack we'll pay for it.
 
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[X] Plan all aboard the big team train, Yellow Ranger.
[X]Qi Foundation Pill, Argent Accumulation Pill, 2 red spirit stones
[X] Buy the needed Argent Accumulation Pill
[X] Cultivate on your own
-[X] Argent Soul
[X] Spend some time with Gu Xiulan try to work out what has her so bothered by Li Suyin
-[X] Explain your reasoning for inviting Li Siyun and Lu Sing's group to the training if need be, and try to find a middle ground for things to work out. Maybe a mercantile transaction if an alliance cannot work?
[X] Look into how Su Ling and Li Suyin are doing and cultivate at the vent
-[X] Give Su Ling and Li Suyin their gifts.
-[X] Spiritual
-[X]If Gu Xiulan is willing to be nicer to them, and Li Suyin and Lu Sing agree, see about inviting Han Jian's group.
[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X]If not at Peak Red, Silver
[X] Breakthrough to Yellow
-[X]If not at Peak Red, Silver
-[X]If not at Peak Gold Either, Train with Han Jian and his group for physical cultivation.
 
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PrimalShadow said:
Didn't you just say "After all, we have so much stuff to do anyway." :confused:
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Non-cultivation things to do. We are very close to the end of cultivation-things.

@yrsillar, I have questions about archive action. It seems that it's a full action for looking at the archive for Art. Does that mean it functions like the shop, where finding an art takes an action but once we know where it is we can take it whenever, or we need a full action each time we want a new art? Likewise, can we, say, take out all the Heart Art we have seen before as a free action (if they are free actions), or are we limited in the numbers of art we take out? As it seems this might slow us down a lot if we can only take out once a week or if we need a full action each time.
drake_azathoth said:
Yeah, I am dubious as hell about the logic on that- it strikes me as similar to 'we can totally focus on buffing and nobody will bother to try to fight us directly'. -Cue Hong Lin trying to break our face.
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And her failing, and us buffing Gu Xuilan successfully. Your point?
We were explicitly told that from now on challenges and violence are fair game- and Kang Zihao really has nothing to lose and much to gain by seeing us humiliated at this point. Hong Ling has every reason to come back for a second go. Given the way the Sect works, that probably involves violence of some kind, so I absolutely don't think we're safe from challenge or even ambush now week to week. That's rather the point of challenges and violence being fair game.
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Again, the whole point of what we did was we were told it would make us safe for a while. We might have been told a lie, but I see no reason to believe so.
 
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Arkeus said:
Again, the whole point of what we did was we were told it would make us safe for a while. We might have been told a lie, but I see no reason to believe so.
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Gu Xiulan is the one who told us looking for trouble would keep us safe a while. You know, the oh-so-diplomatic desert girl who the other nobles dislike? The problem with this is that number one, Gu absolutely just wanted a fight anyway and was looking for reasons to convince Ling Qi to join in even if they were dubious reasons, and number two, Gu Xiulan had no idea that Ling Qi was going to get involved in political bullshit with Bai Meizhen.

Bai Meizhen, on the other hand, who is a far better source of political advice, told us we really couldn't help her until we broke through. We helped her anyway, and now we are in a bit of a tough spot, as we haven't broken through yet.
 
PrimalShadow said:
We need to break through to reduce the odds of being successfully ganked; immediate power goes a long way towards ensuring our safety and the safety of our friends/allies. If it wasn't for this, we shouldn't be trying to break through now at all, since doing so means we can't take advantage of several of our current medicines.
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I think your a bit wrong here. Hear me out.

We don't need to rush breaking through right now. Things are going to settle for the next two weeks minimum as people lick their wound's, reassess their enemies and try to plan ways on how to defeat them. The initial conflicts were just that. Initial conflicts.

Secondly we have some major allies , Snek girl BFF can fight on even terms most other enemies the only person who can give her trouble being blood knight bitch. WHO FRANKLY is not gonna take the news that someone attacked Bei lightly. She wants to duel Bei to prove she's strong, the fact that some inner province Fucks attacked her rival after their duel is gonna piss her off. Bei is hers to best after all.

Thirdly , we have to factor in that for the most part our allies can take care of themselves gu is strong and has the Han faction to support her. Bei is at full Hp and can defend herself and us for the few weeks we need to upgrade. The only persons we need to worry about or foxgirl and smartgirl.

Lastly there are other factors in play here as well as other factions who will interfere (cai , huang da possibly , other's etc) we don't need to rush this
 
drake_azathoth said:
Bai Meizhen, on the other hand, who is a far better source of political advice, told us we really couldn't help her until we broke through. We helped her anyway, and now we are in a bit of a tough spot, as we haven't broken through yet.
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... Why do you think we helped her, or that she wanted us for anything like fighting? Unless you are talking about the Argent Vent? But then, we aren't in a tough spot because of it.

I think we just aren't going to agree on this.
PrimalShadow said:
If you aren't worried about immediate power, why make the distinction on the first place?
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Because I think we should breakthrough before we are at the very end of things we can do in peak red/god, as it gives us some margin when we fail.
 
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Another facet of not being all that concerned about being ganked this upcoming week is the change of relationship for the Sect. They are wary of us, and will not gank us until they can get pretty good odds for victory.
 
Arkeus said:
... Why do you think we helped her, or that she wanted us for anything like fighting? Unless you are talking about the Argent Vent? But then, we aren't in a tough spot because of it.
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Because she said that we had to be Yellow or Silver before we assisted her?
yrsillar said:
She pushed on anyway though, "Alright, so you don't want the necklace," she didn't really understand what was going on between the two of them, but surely there had to be something. "Is there something you do want?"

The flush was already fading from her cheeks as she considered Ling Qi's question. "...I am sorry, but there is nothing at the moment," she responded after a few moments. Ling Qi's shoulders slumped slightly, was she really that useless? "Once you break through into the Yellow Soul, or Silver Physique however… there is something you can assist me with," Bai Meizhen seemed slightly uncomfortable with making the request.

"...Alright," Ling Qi responded after a moment, looking down at her half finished meal. "I won't take too long, alright?"
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[X] Plan Double Break

@drake_azathoth Your plan has us breaking through yellow 4 times, two of those should be silver.

One good reason to attempt to breakthrough now is that so if we fail we still have a bit of breathing room to prepare for our next attempt.
 
Honestly, I think we need to talk to all our friends and make sure that they're alright (or at least mostly alright) ASAP. Basically, I think that Double Break is both inefficient and has an insufficient benefit to cost ratio to be worth taking right now. All in all, I think we should take at a minimum two social actions -- three preferably, given that the Li Suyin and Su Ling one also involves cultivating.
 
PrimalShadow said:
That doesn't answer my question at all.

To reiterate: if you don't care about immediate power, why does it matter if we have no cultivation actions to pursue given that we still have other actions?
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... I have no idea what that question even means. Having cultivations to pursue is not about immediate power, it's about effective use of actions toward later power.

Breakthrough is immediate power, cultivation is...not.
 
Heh what if we succeed the physical level up thing and our body does the expunge impurites through your pores thing and we were at the vent with our buddies and no house yet? Ewwwwwwwwwwww
 
Also tbh I think the plans with more social will be funner to write for Qm and to read rather then... and then you cultivated again. Yay. Here's a list of next options.

Breakthroughs are important yes but adding those socials before and also the chance to talk to most of our socials at once while furthering our knowledge of the political atmosphere outside the sect and within is invaluable
 
Vanguard_D said:
We really dont know what she wants help with, so that conversation need not mean 'help her with fighting'.
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Actually, given the way she said it ("Once you break through into the Yellow Soul, or Silver Physique however… there is something you can assist me with," Bai Meizhen seemed slightly uncomfortable with making the request.) it's very likely not fighting alongside her that she's talking about. To me, it seems more likely that she's talking about a technique or maybe sparring or something along those lines.
 
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