DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
In Forge of Destiny, arguments never really end, they just get put on hold for other arguments.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
In Forge of Destiny, arguments never really end, they just get put on hold for other arguments.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
If you've moved on, what harm does it do to just let new people who haven't read those discuss it? And if one side is calling for action, there's clearly not consensus that it's irrelevant unless yrsillar has said we won't be allowed to take action.
Besides that, you and 5 other people having an argument doesn't resolve it for the other hundreds of readers.
Like many things in this thread there was never a consensus, but people stopped talking about it and moved on anyway because there is only so long you can actually want to argue about something and the amount of salt generated can get pretty ridiculous.
Basically for any topic that went out that way the long time thread watchers are gonna ask people not bring it up if there isn't a good reason, not because there's nothing to be said, but because the ensuing argument was so awful that people decided they didn't want to keep having it.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
More so because we keep having them, with nothing new ever really getting added.
- Location
- United States of America
I mean, that depends on what you mean by mortal frailties?
Like, when we were red we could go without sleep for a day or two but now we don't even bother sleeping. Basically, it depends not only on the stage but on the amount of qi a person has because it is the use of qi that substitutes hunger and sleep, and if we aren't eating then there is nothing to defecate.
I'm fairly certain for us it was after our yellow breakthrough or near mid yellow. But we had a bit more qi than should probably be considered normal.
Unless you consider mortality itself as a frailty to bypass, the technical answer varies, but by Green or so is the final limit mechanically as far as this quest is concerned. Mortals are limited to attribute + ability for rolls, which is capped at 10 successes if they roll perfectly. My count puts Green 1 at more than 10 auto successes at everything they do, but mid or peak yellows should have 7 or 9 autos, which adds to their dicepool and basically guarantees a better result than a mortal could manage.
Its not hard for a small number, correct, but this number will cap out over the span of a clan like the Bais, where they simply can't devote that kind of attention to each and every one of the spirits surviving their cultivators.
It gets harder with each generation because you can't just slack on the obligations to the old ones, and importantly, powerful spirit beasts would have correspondingly high requirements for 'priests' of theirs.
Consider that you need a White to reliably awaken a Sublime Ancestor, and a Prism might with great difficulty get SOMETHING through at the cost of their lives, you can posit that the contact person/priest generally needs to be within a tier below to make contact safely, and two tiers below with great risk/difficulty, I think you can understand that a White Zhengui left behind would require a Prism to manage long term...its probably best to let them go their own way, or at least for the less active ones, to retire somewhere where your people know not to disturb
Well, can't imagine the Young Master is all that happy about the insult to injury of first being treated as a breeding stud by his family elders and then worse, to be rejected after that.
Probably a lot of routine politics involves basically finding scapegoats.
Everyone 'knows' they ordered it, but for the sake of public order it will always turn out to be some minor officials who did it on their own initiative(in adherence to the tropes, the Lius are very likely to have never given a literal instruction to that effect, only remarks(lubricated by bribes) that she is unfit for decent jobs).
To the end effect that nobody important is embarassed and well, Qingge's not even in Tonghou(and probably won't ever return to Tonghou) anymore. So all's well but for bad memories, and the Lius are almost certainly not going to consider this worth the kind of shit to stir(the specific guy MIGHT be stupid enough to try to salve his offended pride, but it'd be more a solo mission thing and reprisals accepted, but in these cases talk shit get hit is in play)
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If he ever crosses our path he is likely in trouble if he avoids us we are unlikely to look for him.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
Let water flow under the bridge. No point in seeking more trouble. If they decide to do something that will be different, but for now lets keep walking our path.
The whole 'breeding stud plan being forced upon the young master' theory was pretty out there. Wasn't the whole point that he took interest in the first place, and because of the rumours about him, Qingge fled? Almost certainly she was just another pretty face to him, typical gross young master.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
I think that plan makes more sense than assuming stupidity on the part of the someone that's been breed and raised to rule and manage a whole city. And here even "young masters" are accountable, as opposed to the average xianxia story, not only to their clan's elders but to their clan's liege(s) too.
Having your engagement/marriage rebuked like that by a someone socially lower is a major face loss, not only for him, but for his whole clan.
I think this plan explains why they pushed her into prostitution: as an alternative to the idea of "if i can't have her no-one else can either" (aka:killing). And trying to push the whole thing under the carpet before their peers get to hear about it, and possibly take the potentially high talent girl under their own wing.
Plz no. Not these arguments again
Don't you want to discuss how evil Cai is, how the sect was the much better option, how we should be friend with Sun/JR/Cai/GG/HJ, how we should have used our escape talisman first in the Sun Fight, how Shenhua is totally going to reprogram us, how we should murder all the barbarians/Liu/Sun/worm boy, and finally how we should tots be gay because you can choose your sexuality doncha know ?
Sirrocco
Pedantic
I totally have half a dozen more I could add to this list, easy. I was about to, and then it hit me "but that might reopen some old wounds enough that people would actually *do* it" and I shuddered and hit delete.Don't you want to discuss how evil Cai is, how the sect was the much better option, how we should be friend with Sun/JR/Cai/GG/HJ, how we should have used our escape talisman first in the Sun Fight, how Shenhua is totally going to reprogram us, how we should murder all the barbarians/Liu/Sun/worm boy, and finally how we should tots be gay because you can choose your sexuality doncha know ?
Wait! Are people actually debating this? The barbarians are walking loot piñatas, so obviously we are going to whack them until all the drugs come out. It's also a public service, so it's really like two fixes for the same money! I don't see what's there to discuss...
I think people are getting confused by how not!xanxia FoD is. A young master taking interest in a cute commoner and buying her off her dad's hands isn't... xanxia specific. No magical martial arts are required, this is a thing that has happened in real life. Power structures being what they are, a noble might as well have been able to shoot lightning out of their eyes compared to a commoner. Actual factual historical precedent allows this kind of behaviour without consequence, without xanxia handwaving.
In short, the young master's conduct was disgusting and reprehensible, but it wasn't stupid because there was no reasonable expectation of any part of the situation blowing up in his face. And yeah, he might have noticed Qingge's talent somehow, but that doesn't really lay the grounds for intuiting a eugenics program; it increases her value to him regardless, since dude could just want a concubine that doesn't age as quickly and who is generally more capable.
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- scrabbling
In the old days, it was the shop vote that we dreaded, because it was, like, 10 pages long. Wew
Plus we have WoG about gender equal maids/poolboys being taken advantage of.
Darkness/wind/wood is evil, let's cut wood/water/wind/fire/earth/heaven/... out of our build, we should get an attack art, getting an attack art was the biggest mistake since the fall of babylonia, we should go back to get ASA, we should abandon dodging/tanking/music/archery, focusing on sixiang rather than the ugly river eel was a mistake, we should get a bow/polearm/sword/flute,...
The Ways of salt are as endless as the way of cultivators.
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- Location
- United States of America
The unfortunate thing is that the ways of salt are... generally useless, while the ways of a cultivator can make it so you can control and alter fundamental principles of the universe.
One is clearly superior.
Well the traits of Salt sound like some kitbash of Water, Earth and Darkness in terms of personality.
Wiggin42
Wage Slave
I've been rereading the thread (currently just finished Thunderdome Redux) and holy shit there have been some crazy freaking fights. I didn't even know ASA was a thing but apparently that was a 30+ page down-to-the-wire drag out fight. Still haven't seen one that compares to the two Cai votes, but it's getting there pretty quick.
To put my word in... I have tried to make a world which isn't as flimisly constructed as a lot of xianxia settings, which means toning down a lot of the endlessly escalatory nonsense, but that doesn;t mean people in power don't sometimes behave irationally and abuse their positions. It just means that someones great grandson getting beaten in a fistfight and embarassed isn't going to escalate to a continental scale conflict between ancient beings who should damn well know better.
Cultivator culture is still riddled with corruption and abuse, in some ways its better than real world structures of the equivalent time periods(and more modern ones even), and in some ways its worse.
Like if this were a typical Xianxia, Sun Shao would already be gearing up for a big ol' lost face tantrum, but it isn't, and he has tools aside from tantrums to achieve what he wants. So he's doing stuff that is at least rational from his perspective to hopefully both punish his enemies and shore up his own position. In both cases the alternate Sun Shao's are mad as hell, the difference is the FoD Shao isn't acting like a screaming toddler with cosmic powers.
Cultivator culture is still riddled with corruption and abuse, in some ways its better than real world structures of the equivalent time periods(and more modern ones even), and in some ways its worse.
Like if this were a typical Xianxia, Sun Shao would already be gearing up for a big ol' lost face tantrum, but it isn't, and he has tools aside from tantrums to achieve what he wants. So he's doing stuff that is at least rational from his perspective to hopefully both punish his enemies and shore up his own position. In both cases the alternate Sun Shao's are mad as hell, the difference is the FoD Shao isn't acting like a screaming toddler with cosmic powers.
