Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Ark you still ignore the fact that the Reveler was alive while the war was still ongoing, and was there when the world was basically destroyed.

So no it isn't a 100 years gap, a lot of time passed between it and the founding of the Clans
...we don't know that. It's the same age. For all we know, the Zheng/Bai/Weilu began when the war was still around. They might have begun at the time, a thousand years later or ten thousand years later. Any of those numbers actually are "what we thought the reveler's age was". After all, the Bai sublime ancestor ascended shortly after her last daughter ascended, implying she was already White by the time the Bai were founded.

If anything, previous data indicate the revelers is older than the new info we have would indicate as a "lower floor".
 
This information didn't give any new date for reveler age, as he is still "probably at least 30K years old as the Bai themselves date to 30K, and very likely 40+ as he was a white 25K years ago".
Yrsillar just confirmed that the Zhen/Bai/Weilu began after the war was over, and probably a freaking long time, like millenia at the very least, afterwards since the world was basically destroyed and the vast majority of the human population died in the conflict.
 
Yrsillar just confirmed that the Zhen/Bai/Weilu began after the war was over, and probably a freaking long time, like millenia at the very least, afterwards since the world was basically destroyed and the vast majority of the human population died in the conflict.
Not began, rose. Hence it's possible they began around the same time.

Not only that, but from all indication the Serpent/Reveler were already white by the time the Zheng/Bai clan was born, and that makes their likely age as much, much older than a few millenias before. This new information doesn't change anything about their age. If anything it makes it more likely that the reveler was younger than expected.
 
Not began, rose. Hence it's possible they began around the same time.

Not only that, but from all indication the Serpent/Reveler were already white by the time the Zheng/Bai clan was born, and that makes their likely age as much, much older than a few millenias before. This new information doesn't change anything about their age. If anything it makes it more likely that the reveler was younger than expected.
No ? Since Yao founded the Bai clan by having kids with the White Snake it clearly mean that the Second age begun with the very first founder of the Three clans. And no, there was no secret human line of Bai that dated back to the dragon wars since Yao was just a fisher at the time, and Civilization just came crashing down, along with the vast majority of the human population.

And I don't know what to tell you at this point, we just learned that they precede what was basically the end of the world, and the aftermath that saw the world healing from all this destruction, they are older than what we though.

Edit: At this point let's just stop, we will not convince the other
 
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Hm. I wonder if there are still surviving Dragon God or Beast God realms far from the Empires border. After all, we don't know just how widespread the Dragon Gods Empire was before they destroyed themselves because few records exist of that time and the world is huge.

That might actually be a pretty cool background for an alt!Europe. They were a big Beast God holdout that survived the rise of the Dragon Gods, but their divinity eventually died / went to sleep / was killed in the cataclysmic war that destroyed the Dragons, so the humans there never entered that in-between phase where the Dragons allowed and undoubtedly influenced human cultivation, so they developed in a completely different way than the Empire and its surroundings.

Pretty cool world building.
 
The man's writing is surprisingly understandable to normal people for a most-probably-white imperial historian.
It all depends on what your way is. For all we know his writing is incredibly clear, but his speech is incomprehensible. Or he had a team of good editors who took his unreadably detailed work and broke it down into summery and footnotes.

In any case he basically said that this was sort like the abstract of a scientific paper. I expect that the meat of the work is much harder to read.
 
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Yet in his magnanimity and generosity his Highness seeks to redress this millennial wrong, and once again allow for the creation of a comprehensive history of the empire. It has been my highest honor to be the head of the scholarship assigned to this task, and with its completion, this old man will be able to enter his final meditations and join his ancestors without regret.

This part is really interesting to me.

He could near ascension, though I don't really think so. I could easily be wrong in this, but the tone seems wrong.

Assuming that he isn't in the White realm, this implies a belief in a general afterlife of some sort. Fitting enough given the culture and actual existence of spirits, great and lesser, and all, but curious to me.

Do people believe they join the spirits, just not as Great ones? Is there a belief in an ancestral/heavenly/pure/etc realm of some sort? Is either of these actually the case?

Regardless of whichever Realm he's in, I'd be interested to know the cultural beliefs about death in a world of cultivation and ascension, the actual knowledge, and worldbuilding. Not to mention the existence of life and death-aspected spirits.
 
This part is really interesting to me.

He could near ascension, though I don't really think so. I could easily be wrong in this, but the tone seems wrong.

Assuming that he isn't in the White realm, this implies a belief in a general afterlife of some sort. Fitting enough given the culture and actual existence of spirits, great and lesser, and all, but curious to me.

Do people believe they join the spirits, just not as Great ones? Is there a belief in an ancestral/heavenly/pure/etc realm of some sort? Is either of these actually the case?

Regardless of whichever Realm he's in, I'd be interested to know the cultural beliefs about death in a world of cultivation and ascension, the actual knowledge, and worldbuilding. Not to mention the existence of life and death-aspected spirits.

I think it's just flowery language saying I'm gonna croak soon but I finished my life's work so I'm cool to do so without regrets. Now it could be literal too but I don't think so.

Also trying to pin down exact dates is a fools errand as the primary source is the Ur-Monkey Spirit and we've seen sprits and spirit beasts have looser definitions of time. It's a creation myth guys stop trying to demystify it the ambiguity is working as intended
 
Yeah... finding a Moon Dragon would be a bit of a trick, I think. Finding a Moon Dragon who we can somehow bind without incurring the violent displeasure of a much larger, much more threatening Moon Dragon Mother....
 
Yeah... finding a Moon Dragon would be a bit of a trick, I think. Finding a Moon Dragon who we can somehow bind without incurring the violent displeasure of a much larger, much more threatening Moon Dragon Mother....

What If we bound a girl Moon Dragon, I mean they hate woman for stealing their men but if we don't take a man then their won't be a problem.
 
Actually, I had a thought about that. The story mentions dragons from the sea and sky, but none from the land. If humans did do a colony drop, how much do you want to bet that they were the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs-also known as "land dragons".

But there are land dragons there is a post that talks about land, river, and heaven dragons. I think it is when we were researching the Vale.

Also I really don't think we should put sci-fi in this clearly fantasy setting.

Though if any one wants to do a SG1 crossover omake I would still read it
 
But there are land dragons there is a post that talks about land, river, and heaven dragons. I think it is when we were researching the Vale.
We know of 3 types of Dragons, but now I wonder if in the past there were more ? Like classical Western style dragon with Fire/Wind elements, or even a poisonous breed of wyverns with Wood/Wind...

For all we know, the three imperial breed of dragon are just the last survivors of the war/the aftermath. Would be good if some could come back (Yes I want my dragon spirit but with a vastly different elemental spread, ala Zhengui)
 
We know of 3 types of Dragons, but now I wonder if in the past there were more ? Like classical Western style dragon with Fire/Wind elements, or even a poisonous breed of wyverns with Wood/Wind...

For all we know, the three imperial breed of dragon are just the last survivors of the war/the aftermath. Would be good if some could come back (Yes I want my dragon spirit but with a vastly different elemental spread, ala Zhengui)
Alternately, for all its size and all its age, the Empire doesn't really care all that much about the lands far from its borders. It's entirely possible that there are other varieties of dragon in other places. It's entirely possible that other locations didn't have a "reign of the dragon emperors" or ensuing calamity... or perhaps the thing that dethroned their dragon kings was something else altogether.
 
But there are land dragons there is a post that talks about land, river, and heaven dragons. I think it is when we were researching the Vale.

Also I really don't think we should put sci-fi in this clearly fantasy setting.

Though if any one wants to do a SG1 crossover omake I would still read it
We know of land element dragons, but I was talking about when they first rose. Here:
Arising from the Sea and the Sky, the beings known today as dragons soon spread their dominion over the land that would become the Empire.
There are land dragons today, but there isn't any record of them then. And it wouldn't make much sense for a species to colonize the air before colonizing the land-land offers far greater resources for comparatively less energy than the sky.

And the idea of Invaders from another world is not really sci-fi. It's a theme echoed from every mythology, most prominently Norse.
 
If humans did do a colony drop, how much do you want to bet that they were the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs-also known as "land dragons".

And the idea of Invaders from another world is not really sci-fi. It's a theme echoed from every mythology, most prominently Norse.

If a "colony" ship is not sci-fi then I have misunderstood what sci-fi is my whole life. As for Invaders from another world those are parts of the myths. While there may be Invaders they come from portals and other mythic connections. Not on astroids size ships.

Not everything needs a rational answer in fantasy. Lord of the Rings creation myth is super weird and confusing. However in Lotr that is what happened. In fantasy, creation myths are more often just as true as the story that is happening.
 
The problem with not inserting sci-fi here is that the creation myth has some parts that sound way too much like something that actually happened to actual IRL Earth.
Also, if gamma-rays are celestial, then their more dangerous brother neutron radiation is sun related?

A bit off topic, but I now really want to read Xianxia White cultivator describe Culture Minds and The Xeelee. Should be a fun read.
 
It is in this year, the two hundred and thirty seventh of the reign of his Imperial Majesty Emperor Si, Lord of the Heavenly Peaks, Son of the Divine Sage and Master of the Dragon Throne, that this humble scholar presents his completed work.
At times the language gap still makes me stop and stare and who the heck would name their future Emperor a word that rhymes with Dead and Loss if its not the very same word.

The first days of the world were harsh indeed. The bones of our Mother yet quaked endlessly, and the divine ichor of the multitude of enemies that our most honored progenitors had slain still boiled close to the surface, toxic to the children of the creators. Similarly, the Heavens were not yet fully formed, and offered little protection from the pitiless and unfiltered alien light of the stars. Fragments of a prayer of these early peoples were revealed to me, from a effaced carving in the lowest basements of the ancient capital of the Emerald Seas.

'O Father, whose radiant eye abhors all evil, your children entreat you, Rise high and tarry long, burn away pestilence[...]

'O Thousand faced daughter, eye of the lost Mother, weep for your frail siblings, that your cleansing tears might bring purity in tainted night[...]


It is to be noted that the translation of these words are a somewhat inexact. The human tongue of the first age was a crude and primitive thing, and it was with some difficulty that we were able to reconstruct the meaning in palatable form. Of the revealed words, these two lines, among others confirm the theories of many imperial scholars. It has long been posited that the sun and the moon were among the very earliest of the Great Spirits formed in the aftermath of the world's creation formed from the last remnants of our Divine creators, and their original role was a very simple one. These spirits were empowered by a desire to survive the remaining hostility heaped upon us from the enemies of our spiritual progenitors. It is known that stellar qi is, unfiltered by the heavens, a terrible poison to human and beast alike. In these ancient days, it seems that very poison shone upon the world each night, mollified only by days of rain, where clouds shrouded the sky from that baleful light.

Oh huh, interesting. The Sun and Moon makes sense as the first remnants of the Father and Mother, with the Sun being a more direct fragment, I think, while the Moon is a first generation descendant.

Now our glitter hair is also menacing omniously. Cool.
And it explains so much about the lack of space travel, if most of the skyseeker cultivators invariably go too high too soon and then get their wings clipped by the deadly environment.

The later portion of the First Age is more well known to us. In these days, the night sky was no longer poison, and ichor of dead gods no longer clung to the earth, yet the world had not become much less dangerous. Powerful Spirit Beasts who had survived and grown mighty in the chaos of the early world rose to dominate the land. Humanity survived on in a wretched state, offering service and worship in exchange for survival.

The Beast Gods, as they called themselves, valued humankind for a number of reasons. Some appreciated the crafts of our hands, while others found or thoughts or forms pleasing, in various ways. Regardless of their individual reasoning, it is known from remaining records that humans were much sought after as servants and playthings. The first semi-permanent settlements were created in this era, typically rising from monuments and temples raised to please the local god.

However, these primitive and fractious creatures did not hold dominion for very long as these things go. Arising from the Sea and the Sky, the beings known today as dragons soon spread their dominion over the land that would become the Empire. Subjugating the other Beast Gods with their unparalleled might and vast courts of dragon kin, the newly minted Dragon Gods came to become the rulers of the world, save for a few isolated hold outs.
For humankind, this change brought a great alteration of circumstance. Where previous rulers had a certain crude appreciation for humankind's utility. The new rulers of the world valued our crafts and our art greatly, and even came to enjoy taking our forms, in order to better interact with their servants and their creations.

Great cities and sprawling palace complexes rose, carved from the very earth and sky, and for the first time, humans began to cultivate, the Dragon Gods allowing their favorites some measure of power to extend their lives and service
So SOMETHING became the Sky/Heaven in this intermission. Sounds like a Dragon broke through and ascended.

Much like the time of the Beast Gods, this too passed. Dragons are warlike and violent creatures, though admirably, some rise above this nature. However, the Dragon Gods did not have this quality of character. As their realms grew more magnificent, they grew ever more resentful and jealous of their peers, and soon the world plunged again into bloodshed and war.

There are almost no surviving records from this period, and draconic historians, what few there are, refuse to speak of it, and the divine decrees of our most magnificent Sage Emperor demand that we respect their silence. It is known that the resulting war destroyed almost every trace of civilization which had thus far been built, and slew both the great majority of dragons, and the humans who had lived with them.

It is here, that my great fortune in being able to speak with the Zheng clan's Sublime Ancestor, allowed me further insight. He deigned speak only a few words, which I have dutifully transcribed below. These words are not mine, and so I ask that the diction be excused.

'Those idiot lizards broke earth and sky, made the moon bleed and the sun weep. Our Mother spat black blood in rage, their quarreling enough to disturb her dreaming death! Is it any wonder they were cursed? [Expletive] are just lucky I was half grown then, or I'd have bashed their heads myself!'

It was at this point that the esteemed ancestor insisted that I share a drink with him, and thus sadly, I was unable to press the questioning further. This statement corroborates some fragmentary accounts rising from survivors. It is known that in the aftermath, the dragons never rose again, their ability to reproduce with their own kind is crippled to this day, barely allowing the maintenance of their population.

Thank you Zheng Ancestor for being a hyperactive super god monkey that is too hard to kill and yet who flips the bird at rules and edicts.(also he's still fulfilling the Sun Wukong tropes of being stone charged by the essence of the primordial sun and moon)

Also the Bloody Moon (and Weeping Sun?) were formed at the offense of the dragons reaching above their station huh?

@yrsillar
Some wild speculation here but...were the Imperial Eight elements the ones redefined by ascending founding Imperial cultivator clans, considering how even the same element differs so hugely from their Traditional Five?

In the waning days of the First Age tribes and minor polities beyond numbering rose and fell, some ruled by man, and others beast and spirit, but among there number, three are credited with the ending of the First Age and the beginning of the Second. I speak of course, of Yao the Fisher, husband of the White Serpent of the Thousand Lakes, Zhi the Conqueror, who tamed the Great Stone Ape of the Ebon Rivers, and Tsu the Diviner, blood brother to the Horned Lord of the Emerald Seas.
So that'd be Bai, Zheng, Lu?(RIP).
Yeah I can see why the Zheng would reach out at this juncture. They aren't friends of the Bai, but they were the last of the founding three.
There is History.

I think humans came from another planet and are the cultivator equivalent of Shoggoths. Notice the phrase {the lost Mother}. The only thing that is ever referred to as Mother is the planet. I think that the quaking and Stellar Qi taint was the result of a hard landing by a primitive life-ship. If nothing else, it would explain why human cores are so different from any other cores.

Also, if Stellar Qi is poisonous and we have what looks like stars in our hair, do we look like walking poison to people?

Edit: Wait, the empire is a basin surrounded by mountains and swamps, right? I wonder if the Empire is literally the impact crater?

Sounds a bit more like a transdimensional vessel arriving in a 'raw' dimension and then defining it as Father met Mother in a Big Bang.


This is correct yes.

Also stellar qi is only poisonous if you go up and out of the atmosphere or 'above the heavens' as it were, Its usable and nontoxic by the time it gets down to the surface. Your hair isn't gamma rays
Man, we absorb Stellar Qi every time we cultivate with EPC. Yum.

At what threshold can it be tolerated 'raw'?
Actually, I had a thought about that. The story mentions dragons from the sea and sky, but none from the land. If humans did do a colony drop, how much do you want to bet that they were the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs-also known as "land dragons".
We know the Earth dragons.
They aren't spoken of much.

The Gnawing Ones
 
Hmm. We've already seen a wood/moon stag spirit or something similar, we know the old Weilu ways commonly touch upon Dark and Moon, and a stag is as fitting a woodland creature to be referred to as 'the Horned Lord'- although it could just be something like Cernunnos Xianxia style.

I'm not simply mentioning this to fuel my bias for awesome spooky stag spirits, but we probably really ought to take some of our archive privileges and read up more about the Weilu traditions and their sublime ancestor Xuan Shi already demonstrated there's a lot more than just arts and instructions in the sect archives.
 
I'm pretty sure that these setting interludes, at least ones presented as scholarly works, will be things we can consider Ling Qi has read after some initial forays into the Archives. Pending @yrsillar acknowledgement, anyway.
 
Hmm. We've already seen a wood/moon stag spirit or something similar, we know the old Weilu ways commonly touch upon Dark and Moon, and a stag is as fitting a woodland creature to be referred to as 'the Horned Lord'- although it could just be something like Cernunnos Xianxia style.

I'm not simply mentioning this to fuel my bias for awesome spooky stag spirits, but we probably really ought to take some of our archive privileges and read up more about the Weilu traditions and their sublime ancestor Xuan Shi already demonstrated there's a lot more than just arts and instructions in the sect archives.

Actually, Lu is literally Deer.
Weilu is literally Majestic Deer(check dem antlers)
 
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