It is a red art that can be mastered at the beginning of green. Our domain slots are valuable and permanent. Using a single slot on a skill of this level is the definition of being a cheapskate.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
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- The Temple of the Winds
All the more so now that our scouts have extended recording time, can fly, and arguably don't use actions to build.
iirc we traded her AM for AC, so she has both of those. Assuming she wasn't too much of a bitch to Han at the time, it's even probably she also has AS. As for whether or not she has trained them, and how high, that's unknown.
The +4 dice are not to bureaucracy , investigation, politic or any of the rest of your list (resist mind control ? really ?...), they are for detect when someone is lying to her and perception against illusions, that's it. Technically it shouldn't even apply to a perception check against an ambush or a trap.
How many times did we have those types of rolls yet ? Heck, Ling Qi is the one using illusions on people, not the other way around...
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The starting realm of the art almost certainly doesn't matter. Firstly it wouldn't make sense narratively for the oldest, most consistent elements of a cultivator's Domain to be crippled, which would be the effect in the long run if they didn't advance with us; secondly:
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Okay, good to know we can take SCS and FVM off our lists then by your definition. They started in mid red! That makes them even worse by your standards.
Or, more likely, Art quality has fuck all to do with where it starts, and even art level numbers are a questionable standard, as most tend to cap at 5 or 6.
Beyond that, yrsillar has already confirmed that earlier art integrations will scale to match later ones, as long as they're coherent with the others. The Lesson here seems useful and universal, so it should scale.
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[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
-[X] Ling Qi receives a four die bonus when attempting to discern lies or see through illusions.
Argent Mirror is a red art that we capped out at low green. I don't buy the argument that the realms don't matter, because it incentives taking trash arts that fit a theme mastering them quickly, just to add it to your domain post haste.
Alectai, you're retracing arguments now. I literally just replied to the same complaint on the page prior. The difference is that FVM and SCS don't cap out at low green, nor are they commonly handed out.
I literally just quoted yrsillar saying that that doesn't matter, it's the theme that does.
They do cap out at low green, ending at Green Appraisal (i.e. Green 2). Unless by "low" you mean "early", in which case, yes, FVM and SCS enjoy a single stage of advantage over AM. But at that point, if you are unhappy with AM, surely FVM and SCS aren't much better for having a single extra cultivation stage, are they?
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- The Temple of the Winds
I am curious, what else do you want to put in our current 5 domain slots for you to consider the slots so precious ?
We can slot TRF, SCS and FVM when we master them with no issue. By the time we master FSS and/or PLR we'll have easily domain 2 and more domain slots open anyway.
Unless you want to slot AC, AS or Argent Pulse ???
Oh thanks, I didn't notice that post. I tend not to check in too often unless I get pinged.
Edit: Ah, beaten to it.
A terrible pity.
Furthermore, per word of QM, 'lowest tier' doesn't mean anything:
So your concern is pointless.
Snerk. Cliche stuff in fiction, sure... but that's because it's true as all hell IRL. If you know yourself, you know your limits, and therefore have a better idea of when a task is, in fact, beyond you - like the two-person Trial we undertook with Gu Xiulan... or facing Heizui head on.
Furthermore, our focus is on what, exactly? Oh, that's right: Darkness, Wind, Water, Moon, Music.
Of those, which is related to 'Know Thyself'? Darkness? Nope. Wind? Would rather run away. Water? Maybe; water is reflective, after all, but it moves, unlike the stillness of a Lake. Moon? Perhaps. Ever-changing, yet with a constant, ordered pattern, the Moon is all of its phases at once. Music? Possibly, if mostly in the context of 'what music can you play as an immortal would'.
We can get a 'know yourself' Domain right now, meaning we'll have a solid Foundation for the next step of our journey. Remember, we're getting to the point where themes really start to matter, and this one? Knowledge of the self, even as she dips further into the shadows? Will help ground her. And I find the dichotomy to be cool.
Like the Ling Qingge interlude... the dichotomy of Ling Qi: "Beneath the cold and unsettling breeze, Ling Qi was warm and welcoming, a blazing hearth on a cold winter night..." - a bright, reflective mirror shrouded in shadows, revealing the truth of who she really is to any who can get close enough.
A Selfish, greedy girl, indeed, to want to keep her friends close.
A terrible pity.
Furthermore, per word of QM, 'lowest tier' doesn't mean anything:
So your concern is pointless.
Snerk. Cliche stuff in fiction, sure... but that's because it's true as all hell IRL. If you know yourself, you know your limits, and therefore have a better idea of when a task is, in fact, beyond you - like the two-person Trial we undertook with Gu Xiulan... or facing Heizui head on.
Furthermore, our focus is on what, exactly? Oh, that's right: Darkness, Wind, Water, Moon, Music.
Of those, which is related to 'Know Thyself'? Darkness? Nope. Wind? Would rather run away. Water? Maybe; water is reflective, after all, but it moves, unlike the stillness of a Lake. Moon? Perhaps. Ever-changing, yet with a constant, ordered pattern, the Moon is all of its phases at once. Music? Possibly, if mostly in the context of 'what music can you play as an immortal would'.
We can get a 'know yourself' Domain right now, meaning we'll have a solid Foundation for the next step of our journey. Remember, we're getting to the point where themes really start to matter, and this one? Knowledge of the self, even as she dips further into the shadows? Will help ground her. And I find the dichotomy to be cool.
Like the Ling Qingge interlude... the dichotomy of Ling Qi: "Beneath the cold and unsettling breeze, Ling Qi was warm and welcoming, a blazing hearth on a cold winter night..." - a bright, reflective mirror shrouded in shadows, revealing the truth of who she really is to any who can get close enough.
A Selfish, greedy girl, indeed, to want to keep her friends close.
- Location
- Cyberspace
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
I'd note that the active techs for Argent Mirror give Ling Qi pretty good protection against illusions already... and the passives boost assorted 'perceptive' dice pools as well.
It also applying to Zhengui et al is a lovely bonus in various circumstances. If Ling Qi doesn't have a close relationships with her spirits, given a year+ of time together, then who would she be close to?
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
I'd note that the active techs for Argent Mirror give Ling Qi pretty good protection against illusions already... and the passives boost assorted 'perceptive' dice pools as well.
It also applying to Zhengui et al is a lovely bonus in various circumstances. If Ling Qi doesn't have a close relationships with her spirits, given a year+ of time together, then who would she be close to?
You're reaching quite far and it feels like you're going on tangents trying to force a correlation to argent mirror in order to sell a generic theme. I realize we don't have the same interest in this theme, but you don't have to strain yourself trying to convince me to care, especially if your attempt is so insincere.
It does truly feel like you're talking out of your ass.
BungieONI
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Yeah. I initially thought the resistance to lies was interesting enough to outweigh that, but then Primal mentioned the possible synergy and after some thought I realized he had a point.
Since you aren't going to be convinced about AM, what do you want to put in there?
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- United States of America
That is an interesting interpretation that mechanics are the sole source of thematic connectivity.
I disagree with that interpretation.
It is equally true that if we are going for support due to our domain that we want to support our allies and friends, and being able to discern when someone is lying about being a friend and stop ourselves from being befuddled by an illusion into believing that an enemy is an ally would be necessary to develop our support build.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
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Oh for heaven's sake, the theme is the same regardless. This is just how our Domain expresses the lesson.
They're both fair and viable expressions. I seriously doubt that we're going to find out later that "Whoops! you can't just learn the right lessons, you also have to express them in a specific way or your Domain is trash!"
Oh for heaven's sake, the theme is the same regardless. This is just how our Domain expresses the lesson.
They're both fair and viable expressions. I seriously doubt that we're going to find out later that "Whoops! you can't just learn the right lessons, you also have to express them in a specific way or your Domain is trash!"
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
Actually, I'm fine with AM since Yrsillar mentioned we shouldn't need to worry about weakness from lower level arts. My initial concern was that we were wasting a slot. The theme argument is something entirely separate.
[X] Internalize Argent Mirror
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
-[X] Ling Qi and Allies of at least four dots positive relation within one hundred meters may reroll a failed perception test once per combat or scene.
I'm a little sad you feel that way.
What is cooking the books if its not deceit? The person doing so is lying to anyone trying to audit them. Hence, four die bonus when attempting to discern lies. How could detecting lies not help with politics? Resist mind control? Here is an example: Enchanter "you want to attack your allies". Do you? No you don't. That is a lie he just told you.
Instead you say reroll for those with 4 positive dots is much more impressive. That is our character, Bai, and Zhengui. That is it. Even our mother isn't 4 dot. Our three biggest friends outside of Bai aren't 4 dots. 4 dots is apparently stupidly hard to achieve. And since long term we won't be with Bai its pretty much going to be our spirit(s). That's it. If it was 3 dots or 2 dots it would be much more worth it, but we have seen no indication that will be the case.
Edit: Actually a better suggestion example would be "your allies are conspiring against you" or the like. I didn't say full mind control there are a lot of types of mental influence that are less than full domination that being able to discern the truth would help with.
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Wow, you're condescending as fuck.
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Or they're unhappy that you effectively accused them of making things up to back their point. Which...yeah that seems a reasonable reaction to that.
