Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Also again note that her elemental balance is "Take great risks for great rewards". She's never been cautious, even when it's bitten her in the ass, her attitude is to double down.

That said, based on my reading of her reaction after the tribulation, she isn't sure it was worth it. Its possible she just thought "this will either kill me or solve my problems" when she pushed for the tribulation, only to leave her disfigured and maimed, without decisively solving her problem.

Also based on the coinflip she was very very close to coming out of it with power and no consequences. Just a little luckier.
 
Xiulan is in a situation where even immediate help is huge for her.

I definitely think that the tribulation actually gave her long lasting help through at least Indigo, but even short term help is of crucial importance given she wants to be able to cancel her marriage to Fan Yu, and as such she needs to both distance him decisively right now but also get far enough fast enough that she is considered a key seedling for the Gu family.

In a normal year she might not have needed such a Tribulation, but this year the help she is getting there might be the difference between "get in the inner sect" and "does not get in the inner sect". While getting in the inner sect is not enough for her to get rid of Fan Yu engagement at all, not getting in probably means there is no hope.
 
Though the second obstacle is that even after getting rid of the engagement, being able to engage Han Jian would not be at all simple.
 
In a normal year she might not have needed such a Tribulation, but this year the help she is getting there might be the difference between "get in the inner sect" and "does not get in the inner sect". While getting in the inner sect is not enough for her to get rid of Fan Yu engagement at all, not getting in probably means there is no hope.
I wouldn't say not getting in means there is no hope, just that it would make it harder. Remember, everyone's just going to be fifteen after their first year in the outer sect, and even if the higher nobles get pulled at that point, that's still very young by cultivator standards. Gu Xiulan and Fan Yu aren't getting married for several years yet at least, so she will still have chances to prove herself afterwards.
 
I wouldn't say not getting in means there is no hope, just that it would make it harder. Remember, everyone's just going to be fifteen after their first year in the outer sect, and even if the higher nobles get pulled at that point, that's still very young by cultivator standards. Gu Xiulan and Fan Yu aren't getting married for several years yet at least, so she will still have chances to prove herself afterwards.
Maybe I misunderstand how hard it is for her to get out of the engagement, but my impression is that she doesn't just needs to prove herself, she needs to prove that Fan Yu is utterly unworthy of her and that she deserves special regard from the Gu.

The Fan family is much stronger than the current Gu family, so cancelling the engagement, in my mind, is basically a "She needs to be a Cyan when Fan Yu is a yellow" thing (or Indigo when he is Green). She has to show herself a genius, not "great".
 
Though the second obstacle is that even after getting rid of the engagement, being able to engage Han Jian would not be at all simple.
I don't think her end goal is to engage to Han Jian. I'm not entirely sure how she feels about him at this point, but what we've heard from her has been more antagonistic - he doesn't want her, so she wants nothing to do with him - as opposed to "I'll win his love yet".

I definitely don't think that she is trying to get out of her current engagement just to be with Han Jian. She plain-old doesn't like Fan Yu; breaking that engagement seems like an end in and of itself.
 
Maybe I misunderstand how hard it is for her to get out of the engagement, but my impression is that she doesn't just needs to prove herself, she needs to prove that Fan Yu is utterly unworthy of her and that she deserves special regard from the Gu.

The Fan family is much stronger than the current Gu family, so cancelling the engagement, in my mind, is basically a "She needs to be a Cyan when Fan Yu is a yellow" thing (or Indigo when he is Green). She has to show herself a genius, not "great".
Given her family being Yang/Fire/Heaven based an engagement against her interests is particularly odd though. The combo says the family bloodline is hotblooded, and prone to going My Way, Damn The Costs(much like a Wind based clan is going to have cohesion issues because there'd be a tendency to resolve disputes by moving the disputing parties away from each other). Given Fan Yu's own level of ability, she's a pretty damned poor match, which is unlikely to improve political relations so much as put it into a pressure cooker(since political matches usually are predicated upon them being at worst unenthusiatic on both sides).

I think we're missing a major component of the scenario here(which Xiulan is hardly going to expose her family's internal matters even to a good friend).
My gut says it might well be to distance her from a Han Jian pairing than to actually promote a Fan family pairing, but thats possibly an unreliable reading due to his lack of presence in Ling Qi's PoV. Early Xiulan was pretty aggressive in her pursuit of Han Jian after all.
 
Given her family being Yang/Fire/Heaven based an engagement against her interests is particularly odd though. The combo says the family bloodline is hotblooded, and prone to going My Way, Damn The Costs(much like a Wind based clan is going to have cohesion issues because there'd be a tendency to resolve disputes by moving the disputing parties away from each other). Given Fan Yu's own level of ability, she's a pretty damned poor match, which is unlikely to improve political relations so much as put it into a pressure cooker(since political matches usually are predicated upon them being at worst unenthusiatic on both sides).

I think we're missing a major component of the scenario here(which Xiulan is hardly going to expose her family's internal matters even to a good friend).
My gut says it might well be to distance her from a Han Jian pairing than to actually promote a Fan family pairing, but thats possibly an unreliable reading due to his lack of presence in Ling Qi's PoV. Early Xiulan was pretty aggressive in her pursuit of Han Jian after all.
I think the biggest components you're missing here is the attitude and time factors.

Xiulan actually has a pretty mercenary attitude to marriage unless it involves her. Remember how she responded to Ling Qi's being uncomfortable with Huang Da's rapey attention with 'the Huang are a pretty high status family and you're a commoner. Why aren't you happy?'.

From what she's said about being ordered to introduce us to her cousins, as well as Gu Tai's remarks about the Gu being very traditional when we brought up how uncomfortable we were with jumping into a marriage with someone we've met for 5 minutes I think we can assume this is a fairly widely held attitude within the clan, and certainly the view of its current leader. So generally they think of an arranged marriage as a duty of a noble, which means Clan members generally aren't likely to be fiercely opposed to political marriages even with their volatile temperaments.

Coming on the heels of this is what @Arkeus said about status. IIRC the Fan are on par with or slightly below Han Jian's family, who are the second highest rank of nobility, just below dukes (Marquis?). By contrast the Gu are significantly lower status, being a vassal family to the Han. We see from Xiulan's earlier comments that marrying into a higher staus family is a big deal and something the Gu really want.

Next is time/age. Xiulan is 14, so is Fan Yu. Going into this year it might easily have been felt that whilst Xiulan didn't like him she didn't absolutely despise him. Given Fan Yu's obvious infatuation there was a decent possiblity that she'd warm up to him, especially if/when Han Jian finally got up the bottle to reject Xiulan. I mean if we look at the early updates we see that Xiulan's attitude to commoners isn't actually that different from Fan Yu's sneering condesencion.

Also in that vein there is the talent issue. Before the year began I do not believe it was realised/obvious how big the talent differential between Fan Yu and his fiance was, with them starting the year roughly on par. Frankly whilst I'm still not sure she'd like him I do think part of the issue Xiulan has had with him as the year goes on is how little he has advanced, which was not an easily predicted factor when the contract was signed.

I think (if I recall correctly) Xiulan's significant cultivation (and speed) advantage over Fan Yu was being used to press for more advantages to the Gu side of the contract, but was not (yet) enough to justify breaking the engagement or pressing for a different husband from the Fan.

Finally there is the issue of cultivation growth and its effect on her personality. As Xiulan's cultivation has grown the distortion of her personality towards her elements has as well, and I suspect she was not the most calm person to begin with. Add the tribulation, which I think has exacabated Xiulan's already strongly fire natured personality to new heights, and made her even more impulsive and willful and locking in attitudes far sooner than might be expected even from a Gu.

But again if we consider the idea I mentioned earlier that their families might have thought they'd warm up to each other, or at least not have her dislike Fan Yu the way she does this may have never become an issue.
 
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Okay, just finished blasting through this entire quest in, uh... about three days. It's been a blast, and the writing is top-notch. Gan Guangli is probably my favorite side character and I wish he got more screen time, since he definitely has some real hidden depths as we've seen recently. Lady Cai's vision for the future also has a serious problem with sneaky corruption, though, and it's something that we're partially contributing to. Jing Ro got framed as well, and the question is 'by who'? My money is it being the creep who dropped off the radar early. I also remember Fuang Xiang talking about being close to finding out who attempted to frame Ling Qi - was there ever any follow up on that?

e: Oh, and since I pretty much just stumbled on this genre... are there any especially good places I should start if I wanted to read more?
 
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Okay, just finished blasting through this entire quest in, uh... about three days. It's been a blast, and the writing is top-notch. Gan Guangli is probably my favorite side character and I wish he got more screen time, since he definitely has some real hidden depths as we've seen recently. Lady Cai's vision for the future also has a serious problem with sneaky corruption, though, and it's something that we're partially contributing to. Jing Ro got framed as well, and the question is 'by who'? My money is it being the creep who dropped off the radar early. I also remember Fuang Xiang talking about being close to finding out who attempted to frame Ling Qi - was there ever any follow up on that?

e: Oh, and since I pretty much just stumbled on this genre... are there any especially good places I should start if I wanted to read more?
Well, to answer your last question first, there is a Xianxia/Wuxia recommendation thread floating around which has some pretty good recommendations on it. The problem with this genre is that a lot of the stories follow some very specific tropes that... aren't all that great. So finding a good story in this genre can be a tad difficult.

As for Ji Rong, it's up in the air on whether he was framed. He has the personality for doing what is alleged that he did, and the personality that wouldn't want to explain himself to an "authority" figure questioning him. So I'm not sure if he was framed or not, but at this point, the distinction is fairly moot for as Lady Cai pointed out, he is not going to be welcoming to people like Cai... for the rest of his life probably. The closest bet as to who would have framed him, if he was framed, is Yan Renshu, the person who we paid Fu Xiang to find and gather information on.

As for who framed Ling Qi? We really don't know. It kind of dropped off the radar when people had more pressing things to worry about, and by now the trail is far too cold to pick it back up again. The best guess, however, is also Yan Renshu. There is speculation that it could be another disciple that we haven't met yet, but out of the people we know in the outer sect, Yan Renshu fits the bill better than any other.

As for the creep who dropped off the radar? He probably wasn't involved in any of it as his talents lie more in sneaky info collecting rather than framing other people for crimes. He's still floating around out there (I think we saw him at Sun's defeat event?) but Ling Qi has moved past him both cultivation wise and thinking space wise. He just isn't a threat to her anymore.
 
e: Oh, and since I pretty much just stumbled on this genre... are there any especially good places I should start if I wanted to read more?

Nowhere. There is no such thing as a good xianxia. Turn back while there is still hope.

More seriously the genre is a lot closer to grey!intelligent!harem naruto fic than to this quest.

But if you still want to hurt yourself, battle trough the heaven is nice. Douluo Dalu is nice too.
 
e: Oh, and since I pretty much just stumbled on this genre... are there any especially good places I should start if I wanted to read more?

Wuxiaworld is one of the major sites for this type of story that features generally solid translations and one that has I think a fairly solid reputation (which can somewhat of an issue with say quidian). In regards to specific stories, Coiling Dragon is I think in many ways one of the "classics" of this genre and a good start if you want to explore xianxia stories. The other big name that I always suggest to newcomers is I Shall Seal The Heavens which is in my opinion one of the best stories I have read in the genre. And between those two you have experienced two of the biggest authors in the scene (and some of the best translations).

There are of course others and a lot of it depends on your personal tastes but I would really start with one of those two (which also have the advantage of being completed and competently translated)



In general though, xianxia (which is the name for this type of literal genre) doesn't exactly feature a lot of high quality stuff and in my experience this quest is in many ways the equal of some of the best stuff you will find there. A lot of it are juvenile power fantasies with basically the same plot repeated over and over.
 
Okay, just finished blasting through this entire quest in, uh... about three days. It's been a blast, and the writing is top-notch. Gan Guangli is probably my favorite side character and I wish he got more screen time, since he definitely has some real hidden depths as we've seen recently. Lady Cai's vision for the future also has a serious problem with sneaky corruption, though, and it's something that we're partially contributing to. Jing Ro got framed as well, and the question is 'by who'? My money is it being the creep who dropped off the radar early. I also remember Fuang Xiang talking about being close to finding out who attempted to frame Ling Qi - was there ever any follow up on that?

e: Oh, and since I pretty much just stumbled on this genre... are there any especially good places I should start if I wanted to read more?
I'll just be totally blunt with you: Xianxia is a pretty trashy genre and the best stories are all subversions. Even FoD would count what with the Empire being the sole authority and the stepping down on rogue cultivators and limits of the setting being pretty well understood.

Here are some stories I enjoyed.

A Will Eternal - Very much a comedy but played pretty straight setting-wise. As long as you are okay with the protagonist being an honorless cheating coward (but not a monster of a person) it's quite entertaining and a decent intro to common Xianxia tropes.
Cultivation Chat Group - Cultivators being ridiculous in the real world. Also a comedy. A bit up and down in pacing, but cultivator meets modern life is a huge payoff when it happens.
My Disciple Died Yet Again - The subversion of the Xianxia genre. I actually feel it would be a decent first Xianxia to read since it starts slow and gradually draws in the subversive elements. As for what makes it so great? Mostly the protagonist saying "fuck you" to the slaughter-happy step-on-others ways of thought that infest so many Xianxia stories played straight.
 
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Coiling Dragon and the rest of the same author are some of the best Xianxia have to offer.

They are, likewise, pretty awful, although nowhere as awful as average or the worst of the genre has to offer. You need a guilty pleasure time-burner, that would do, I suppose.

I did hear good things about My Disciple Died Yet Again, but I also heard that to best appreciate it you need to pretty throughly get into and then get fed up with traditional trash xianxia, so I dunno how it's stands on it's own.
 
Sansheng, Wangchuan Wu Shang is a pretty good story. It's more focused on romance though and is pretty short.
Meow Meow Meow is another good story about a powerful cat cultivator who doesn't really care about cultivation.

My Disciple Died Yet Again is kinda mediocre, but it has some really good lines.
 
Thanks for the recommendations/warnings, I'll page through a few of them and see if any catch my interest. I actually encountered the cultivation system in another trashy pleasure read I went through recently, the Divine Dungeon series, which crosses a lot of the baseline cultivation ideas with a living dungeon/D&D-inspired fantasy world. It's definitely light reading but it made for a pretty good audiobook when I was driving over a few states.

As for Ji Rong, it's up in the air on whether he was framed. He has the personality for doing what is alleged that he did, and the personality that wouldn't want to explain himself to an "authority" figure questioning him. So I'm not sure if he was framed or not, but at this point, the distinction is fairly moot for as Lady Cai pointed out, he is not going to be welcoming to people like Cai... for the rest of his life probably. The closest bet as to who would have framed him, if he was framed, is Yan Renshu, the person who we paid Fu Xiang to find and gather information on.

As for who framed Ling Qi? We really don't know. It kind of dropped off the radar when people had more pressing things to worry about, and by now the trail is far too cold to pick it back up again. The best guess, however, is also Yan Renshu. There is speculation that it could be another disciple that we haven't met yet, but out of the people we know in the outer sect, Yan Renshu fits the bill better than any other.

Good point on this, Yan Renshu being the one framing the (at the time) lower-level members of Cai's council to try to get her to overreact and then peel them to the Blood Princess's side after their punishment would fit pretty well and it means there's just a single framer rather than multiple. We know that the person trying to frame Ling Qi used a puppet, too, so it's probably Yan Reshu... in which case, this might get answered when get our dossier from the intelligence kid.
 
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Good point on this, Yan Renshu being the one framing the (at the time) lower-level members of Cai's council to try to get her to overreact and then peel them to the Blood Princess's side after their punishment would fit pretty well and it means there's just a single framer rather than multiple. We know that the person trying to frame Ling Qi used a puppet, too, so it's probably Yan Reshu... in which case, this might get answered when get our dossier from the intelligence kid.
Less likely that he was trying to peel them to Sun's 'side', more likely that he was trying to put them in a position where he can start selling his help/false contracts to them and get them into his now-destroyed network.
 
Less likely that he was trying to peel them to Sun's 'side', more likely that he was trying to put them in a position where he can start selling his help/false contracts to them and get them into his now-destroyed network.

Eh, it could go either way I think.

Justice was bullshit, as always though. At least Sun Liling didn't pretend to be anything but what she was.

He could remember the predatory smirk on her face as she broke him out of the time lock formation and made her offer. It had been music to his ears, furious as he was.

Sun Liling is the one who broke him out of the time lock, and we know Yan Reshu was working for her, at least later. It could just be opportunism, or it could have been a deliberate ploy on Sun's part, using Yan Reshu to try to get some of the more talented commoners out of Cai's sphere of influence and into hers. I don't remember the specific timeline but Yan Reshu was one of the older disciples who only got brought into the conflict between the first-years after the council was formed, and the framing attempt on Ling Qi was only a few weeks after that.

Entrance of the older disciples was something that only happened after the council was formed and both Sun Liling and Cai started pulling in older students. Yan Reshu probably wouldn't have any reason to get involved in first year politics until Sun Liling brought him in, which makes it likely part of a directed ploy. Or it could just be coincidence, but I don't think it's especially likely.
 
Personally, I could never quite get into Coiling Dragon, but I have heard it's one of the best for newcomers because the author approached it from a 'Western' perspective and (to the purists, at least) it feels like a western fantasy novel with a coat of Xiantia paint. Very much so a way to get used to genre conventions and terminology everyone in China will take for granted, the same way someone here would instantly have an idea of what an 'elf' or 'dwarf' is without the author going into detail unless they're subverting something.

I Shall Seal the Heavens is probably better as an example of a high quality (If you can count anything in the genre as high quality, that is) 'traditional' Xiantia experience. Thousands of chapters, good translator, etc. It has its downturns, as most of these do (I would imagine Coiling Dragon does as well, but I haven't actually read it), but always manages to pick up again. Eventually. These things tend to be really long books, when you're reading them translated. I'll imagine foreigners would say the same thing if they received the entire Harry Potter series presented as one story, which is the approach translation sites tend to push people into.

For follow-up stories, once you've spent the next few years of your life constantly reading whichever recommendations you've chosen, A Will Eternal isn't fully translated but is, in my opinion, better than ISSTH(it's by the same author), if lighter in tone. World of Cultivation is quite good (Some people declare it controversial and spend hours arguing against it, though), but you need to have read at least one or two other stories before getting into it. The translator for that one has a small problem with leaving Chinese terms alone if they don't have a direct English translation, and you need some context to puzzle them out.


On a more pertinent topic, it's always nice to have someone new without context for old Quest controversies that doesn't immediately bring them up again. Check 'Cultivation Memes' under the Media threadmarks; that should get you up to speed with everything you need to know.
The first art vote... Beatstick vs Support... Shopping... ASA vs FSA... Lakegate... Caigate... *Shudder*
 
Well, to answer your last question first, there is a Xianxia/Wuxia recommendation thread floating around which has some pretty good recommendations on it. The problem with this genre is that a lot of the stories follow some very specific tropes that... aren't all that great. So finding a good story in this genre can be a tad difficult.
My problem is that most recs I get for xianxia are for interesting concepts and premises, and not for writing quality. A lot of these are pretty dodgy translations (I assume with copious assistance from Google Translate) of what I assume aren't seminal works of Chinese literature in the first place.I know I shouldn't be looking for Tolstoy with these stories, but there's a minimum I can tolerate, and the only one who could consistently meet that threshold for me is the Deathblade/Er Gen combo, and even then you can see little issues like where Er Gen was clearly padding his word count*.
Jing Ro got framed as well, and the question is 'by who'?
As for Ji Rong, I'll say again that I don't think he was framed. I think he was caught doing something he didn't think was a big deal and that he was entitled to do ("What's wrong with me as a cop skimming off the top and extorting citizens? Every cop I've ever met does that!")

*I think it's way these authors are paid. It's almost like the serial model for Victorian literature ala Charles Dickens. I'm not sure xactly how it works, but it strongly incentives pumping out an update a day with acetain word count.
 
My Disciple Died Yet Again - The subversion of the Xianxia genre. I actually feel it would be a decent first Xianxia to read since it starts slow and gradually draws in the subversive elements. As for what makes it so great? Mostly the protagonist saying "fuck you" to the slaughter-happy step-on-others ways of thought that infest so many Xianxia stories played straight.

Eh.

Disciple Died isn't really something you should read first. It's a story that's comedy comes from poking fun at the genre and conventions of xianxia. You probably will find it funny even without having read other xianxia, but I find that type of story to be best when you know the genre it's making fun off.
 
Wo Jia Dashi Xiong Naozi You Keng has a manga that's pretty good for beginners. It mocks the tropes a bit but makes explanations for those tropes, inversions and stages. Its reasonably entertaining and the art's pretty enough to skim over the boring bits.
 
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