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Could we get a post in the Informational threadmarks explaining how Omake points work? I was just re-reading and I realized that an Omake gives 2 points, and that EACH point is worth an auto-success, rather than turning in BOTH points for a single auto-success.

At least with +4 auto-successes we're going to crush this infiltration.
 
Klaus said:
Could we get a post in the Informational threadmarks explaining how Omake points work? I was just re-reading and I realized that an Omake gives 2 points, and that EACH point is worth an auto-success, rather than turning in BOTH points for a single auto-success.

At least with +4 auto-successes we're going to crush this infiltration.
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There's a difference between cultivation autosuccess and test autosuccess. Test autos are much, much harder, because they're capped at 2 autos, and each auto costs 2 points. Cultivation autos don't have a cap and 1 point is equal to 1 auto.

While Yrsillar is willing to help us grow with omake points, he isn't gonna allow us to do something ridiculous like get 4 autos. That kinda breaks the integrity of his narrative if he makes Ling Qi do things she isn't supposed to be able to do with our help.
 
Codex said:
There's a difference between cultivation autosuccess and test autosuccess. Test autos are much, much harder, because they're capped at 2 autos, and each auto costs 2 points. Cultivation autos don't have a cap and 1 point is equal to 1 auto.

While Yrsillar is willing to help us grow with omake points, he isn't gonna allow us to do something ridiculous like get 4 autos. That kinda breaks the integrity of his narrative if he makes Ling Qi do things she isn't supposed to be able to do with our help.
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Well, if I was wrong I guess that just proves how important it is to have this documented clearly.:lol
 
Apologies or the double post.

So, if we ever steal Yan Renshu's puppet art, or develop a bone puppet we can project ourselves through in the same way, I think we should use it to rob people on the men's side. It won't be as good as us, of course, but "not as good as Ling Qi" is still pretty damn good. As long as we pick targets with care we should be okay.

If we need an excuse, well, we were just testing people to see if they could detect infiltration, especially from puppets like these, because we want to recruit them as guards. We can even stick a sign on the body of the puppet: "If you can read this, we want YOU for the Enforcers!"

Besides, we still have that book of grudges and we really only managed to rob people on the girls side last time we went on a stealing spree.
 
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So. New topic. Something I've been thinking about for a while. Meizhen and Han Jian are both nobles that went at least somewhat out of their way to help us out. Why do you think our attitudes to them both are so different? Discuss.
 
Kai Merah said:
So. New topic. Something I've been thinking about for a while. Meizhen and Han Jian are both nobles that went at least somewhat out of their way to help us out. Why do you think our attitudes to them both are so different? Discuss.
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People like waifus. Also, Meizhen is isolated and thus emotionally dependent on us, while Han Jian is not. This disposes the player base towards her. You can see the same pattern in Gu Xiulan.
 
Anomen said:
People like waifus. Also, Meizhen is isolated and thus emotionally dependent on us, while Han Jian is not. This disposes the player base towards her. You can see the same pattern in Gu Xuelan.
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Did we ever consider Xiulan particularly isolated? I thought we always considered her part of Han Jian's group.
 
Kai Merah said:
Did we ever consider Xiulan particularly isolated? I thought we always considered her part of Han Jian's group.
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Are you kidding? She did her best to (temporarily)cut off her relationship with Han Jian over romantic troubles and questors were in favor of spending more time with her when she did so. Yes, she is still unquestionably tied to them, but when she is more isolated from others, people felt more like being around her.
 
Anomen said:
Are you kidding? She did her best to (temporarily)cut off her relationship with Han Jian over romantic troubles and questors were in favor of spending more time with her when she did so. Yes, she is still unquestionably tied to them, but when she is more isolated from others, people felt more like being around her.
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Yeah, but we started getting close to her before she decided to cut herself off, right?
 
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Yeah. That ties in more to the waifu part. As Broken said, SV questors prefer girls. Especially those that are interested in an Eastern style story like this.
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Huh. Now I'm wondering how things would have played out if Golden Fields were genderbent.
 
Anomen said:
Yeah. That ties in more to the waifu part. As Broken said, SV questors prefer girls. Especially those that are interested in an Eastern style story like this.
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While this no doubt true to some extent, I don't think it's unreasonable that a girl of Ling Qi's age would find it more comfortable to be close friends with a girl than to a boy unless he is someone she is romantically involved with. And I think it fits her current motivations and personality to not be romantically involved with anyone right now. That said, I'd love to have her be closer to Xuan Shi if only so that she can keep trolling him with Zhengui.
 
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Honestly I think it was partly the waifu thing but also a big part was the segregation of sexes thing. Also add the lack of interesting male friendship option's at the beginning of quest besides Han jian whom already had a established friend group and you can see what happened.

Remember fan yu came off as a dick which set a tone for not wanting to be part of hans group and Han fang literally could not speak...which made him less interesting to some readers as he had no dialog.

Then we meet stalker boi, who is super creepy. ... we literally had no other options between young master Han jian or super mysterious Bai whom we were also roommates with, was an outcast but also super interesting character .

The Gu thing was probably influenced due to the fact she was described as an azula expy and that interested people again.

So now they introduce GG, ji rong and later on xuan who all are interesting male characters finally but at this point in tme we already are super stretched thin on actions plus we have to deal with bai, team suesue and Gu actions and all the troubles those brought.

Thankfully we have been spending more time with xuan , because it was becoming a bit of a taco fest. A lot of the female characters compared to male but that's to be expected with a female protagonist I suppose .
 
Kai Merah said:
So. New topic. Something I've been thinking about for a while. Meizhen and Han Jian are both nobles that went at least somewhat out of their way to help us out. Why do you think our attitudes to them both are so different? Discuss.
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One thing I think comes into it is that Xiulan sort of "took over" the Golden Fields slot when we became friends with her.

Like, in some ways, Xiulan and Han Jian are grouped together, while Meizhen is clearly separate. Hence, if we're hanging out with Xiulan all the time then we've done our "Golden Fields minor" and there's less impetus to hang out with Han Jian. And then after a while we were just much closer to Xiulan and Meizhen so we preferred to hang out with them.
 
I dunno, I adore Han Jian. I guess, I like Bai more due to actually knowing her backstory and Ling Qi and Bai actually having a meaningful history now, but it wasn't like I ever sneered at Jian options when they were available.

That said, the circumstances naturally and neatly were arranged in the way that we had great difficulties even getting two points relationship with him; we had never encountered Han Jian-specific quests like Serpent's Treasure or the like, and situations where we had to choose companions he was rarely optimal, it wasn't certain if he was actually available and thread preferred to reinforce already existing 3 dots relationships.

Part of that was our connection to Bai and how it was directly incompatible with most obvious route to more Han Jian in this quest; the moment we progressed her social link to the point where she performed Renegade Interrupt on Fan Yu felt like pretty poignant "Sun's Field route failed" moment and our relationship with them changed somewhat due them starting to percieve Ling Qi as Bai's vassal instead of talented commoner that would good to poach.
 
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Yeah, the problem is also that Han Jian is also dealing with the horrors of Action Hell, and he's got a full time job keeping his own dysfunctional group in one piece.
 
That being said, I'll note that we've still done a fair number of minors with him (counting from Week 15 when the economy hit its current form):
Han Jian: 7
Suyin: 7.5
Xiulan: 9
Meizhen: 10.5
 
Also add that we were basically told "hey Gu is super scary jelly , don't hang out with Han jian 1on1 or she'll be displeased " and thread was kind of wary of making enemies when we literally had 1 art and didn't want to deal with the drama.

Again I think it also has to do with how characters were introduced. Honestly if xuan was introduced before say li suyin then you bet your assess off people would be choosing cool formations dude over librarian shy hinata expy. ( not that she's not cool now but still)
 
Then there was the part where when it started becoming clear that we're definitely Team Meizhen rather than Team Han, and that made working with him a little awkward... And since our relationship with him is largely based around that, then that matters.

It didn't affect our relationship with Xiulan because our relationship with her is much more about hanging out and doing girl stuff (like beating up dudes :p).

Edit: Here's my chart of our actions. Note I don't have minors for the first 3 months because things were different then. Anyway, you can see that we generally see Han Jian every second week or so. The big thing is that there was that long period from Weeks 24-28 where we didn't see him due to a) him having his elder training on, b) the awkwardness of everyone realising that we're not really on Team Han, and c) drama that we didn't want to add to.
 
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