Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

I know it's not in the options but is there a way this doesn't go straight into opposing one side or another?

Clearly the girl has a bias however much she makes good points. And implying the daughter would turn out like the mother doesn't rub well with me. She is here to learn as much as anyone else in the Sect and I would much rather prefer a verbal discourse to a physical one.

And fighting her here does nothing but generate more conflict. Peace here and negotiate with CR for a more reasonable compromise to the regime would be a more reasonable solution. However much power is important, diplomacy is key to an effective bureaucracy.
 
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[X][Write-in] "Senior Sister, this Junior Sister requests for pointers."

I think that is how a honorable duel supposed to go?
 
How is that different from the Fight option?

We'll be focused on just escaping, rather than defeating Chu Song and company. In this vote, "victory" would be defined by just getting away, which is different than the "victory" for the fight vote, which is defined by defeating Chu Song and Co.

Additionally, this option explicitly avoids showing support for either side of this particular conflict.
 
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I know it's not in the options but is there a way this doesn't go straight into opposing one side or another?

Clearly the girl has a bias however much she makes good points. And implying the daughter would turn out like the mother doesn't rub well with me. She is here to learn as much as anyone else in the Sect and I would much rather prefer a verbal discourse to a physical one.

And fighting her here does nothing but generate more conflict. Peace here and negotiate with CR for a more reasonable compromise to the regime would be a more reasonable solution. However much power is important, diplomacy is key to an effective bureaucracy.

Song wants more conflict. She want's things to degenerate back into a bunch of warring factions. Honestly, we aren't being suppressed by the current government. That might change if it because truly stable, but Cai doesn't actually have enough time to accomplish that.
 
Basically, I think we should fight for a couple of reasons. IC, I believe that Ling Qi is annoyed enough by the way that Chu Song went about this to want to fight it out. OOC, I'd like to see where we stand, and a friendly-ish (that is, it's not really a spar but we're hardly mortal enemies) fight where we presumably won't lose too much one way or another is a good way of finding that out.

[X] Fight, you aren't alone anymore, and Meizhen should be able to match Chu Song.
 
I don't thing Song would be upset with a fight.

Sigh, this is what happens when you give teenagers super powers. The genre is also notoriously rife with forced conflict.

It's funny considering the main 'religions' in ancient China encourages kings and emperors to NOT fight and solve conflicts in a reasonable, legal and moral manner, however effective that was. I know the most famous tales are of the many wars China has fought and endured but let's not forget the many ages of peace it has experienced as well.
 
[X] Fight, you aren't alone anymore, and Meizhen should be able to match Chu Song.

Just popped into the Discord for a few seconds and saw Yrsillar had some new posts there that seemed relevant. Thought I'd share:



Edit: Sorry about the size, but I have no clue what I'm doing.
 
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You know what? This. This is going to be my answer.


The truth is that we personally don't really have stakes in the game.
Politically, we are unaligned. At most, there is the fact that Lady Cai is heir to our home province - but it isn't like we are obligated to stay in this province, is it?
Morally, the situation is unclear. Cai's order seems to be an improvement over the "state of nature" that was the default for the outer sect, but it does appear that there are darker things swimming below the surface. It is unclear if supporting Cai is doing the "right" thing at all.
Pragmatically, Cai does give nice rewards, but apparently aligning with her as closely as we are right now is making us enemies.



Overall, I don't think that one option is clearly superior to the others... for us. But we aren't alone, are we? So lets talk to our friends and back them up with whatever they are doing. If they decide to be firmly behind Cai, we should stand with them. If they decide to open some distance, we should stand with them too.



For now, I'm voting to fight, because not fighting seems to be tactically agreeing with Song's points, whereas fighting just talking about odds of victory. Also, Song is clearly okay with a fight here, and I kinda want to see how we fare.

[X] Fight, you aren't alone anymore, and Meizhen should be able to match Chu Song.

You missed my point. You're deciding Bai should fight. Chu Song has given us a choice, but that choice should really be Bai's since she has the most to lose (and Ling Qi doesn't really care that much).

I guess I have to make a write-in, myself?

[X] Wait for Bai to arrive. She has the most at risk, so you wont decide for her.
 
Ah, the argument that "Well none of OUR batch ever managed to establish order like this, so you shouldn't either. Also fuck Cai".

Screw that. I have no specific investment in Cai's government, but her arguments are solidly unpersuasive.

[X] Fight, you aren't alone anymore, and Meizhen should be able to match Chu Song.
 
@yrsillar Can you tell us, last time we saw Li Suyin, what was her cultivation level? Is she still Early Yellow/Late Gold, has she broken through to Silver, and has she reached the Mid-Second Realm?

And is there any indication that Ling Qi knows what Su Ling's current cultivation level is? They're coming in for the assist, but I'm kinda scared they get triple autoed by a 2 realm difference if they're not fully in the 2nd realm (and 6 autos is already a pain in the ass).
 
[X] Fight, you aren't alone anymore, and Meizhen should be able to match Chu Song.

FACE PUNCHING ATTRACT BUFF MALES. We should do more face punching.
 
Personally, I would be wary of a person with too much power. Especially if she talk propaganda about "justice".

[x] Keep things peaceful, she has a point, Cai Renxiang could do with being taken down a notch.
 
Just popped into the Discord for a few seconds and saw Yrsillar had some new posts there that seemed relevant. Thought I'd share:
Thank you for sharing; we wouldn't have seen that otherwise.

Though I do have to say, @yrsillar, it bothers me some that those posts are being made off-thread instead of here. Why not make the comments somewhere were everyone can see it?



On that note I've seen SIGNIFICANTLY less yrsillar posts here recently. Is it because he has moved to saying things on discord, instead?
 
Sigh, this is what happens when you give teenagers super powers. The genre is also notoriously rife with forced conflict.

It's funny considering the main 'religions' in ancient China encourages kings and emperors to NOT fight and solve conflicts in a reasonable, legal and moral manner, however effective that was. I know the most famous tales are of the many wars China has fought and endured but let's not forget the many ages of peace it has experienced as well.

Honestly, this is less Teenagers and more Xianxia. A strong government with civil and civic behavior is somewhat antithetical to how organizations work in Xianxia. While there are strong powers in many Xianxia who could impose the rule of law... they usually don't. Instead the have more ad hoc and personal relationships.

Lords war with lords. Sects and Clans war with Sects and Clans and with Lords. Factions war with Factions and with Sects and Clans and with Lords. Individuals war with Individuals war with Factions war with Sects and Clans, and war with Lords.

From the bottom to the top is never ending conflict.
 
Song wants more conflict. She want's things to degenerate back into a bunch of warring factions. Honestly, we aren't being suppressed by the current government. That might change if it because truly stable, but Cai doesn't actually have enough time to accomplish that.
Hmm. You might be right there, but I think this bit suggests a different interpretation:
You're wearing that gown and that band, backing up her thugs with your presence. You go along with her goon squad to suppress others and take sites.
To me, this suggests that Song is afraid of Cai becoming a tyrant. So it isn't about Cai enforcing order; it is about Cai establishing herself above everyone else, and being able to dictate terms with no counterweights.
 
Sigh, this is what happens when you give teenagers super powers. The genre is also notoriously rife with forced conflict.
My point there was that this is closer to a spar than to warfare, and should be contextualized as such.

You're deciding Bai should fight. Chu Song has given us a choice, but that choice should really be Bai's since she has the most to lose (and Ling Qi doesn't really care that much).

I guess I have to make a write-in, myself?

[X] Wait for Bai to arrive. She has the most at risk, so you wont decide for her.
I'm not sure we can just wait for Bai to get here. I think Song's support is going to engage in combat if we don't tell our friends to stand down.
 
Hmm. You might be right there, but I think this bit suggests a different interpretation:

To me, this suggests that Song is afraid of Cai becoming a tyrant. So it isn't about Cai enforcing order; it is about Cai establishing herself above everyone else, and being able to dictate terms with no counterweights.

And her counter argument is that we should make our of faction, probably with Bai because we're close, and ally with the Han Jian faction, and so on.

Do you know what that is? Thunderdome. Her solution to the Cai problem is the one Sun Liling suggested earlier, that every just fights everyone until they get it out of their system and we know whose on top in a personal sense. That wouldn't be as bad for us as it was at the start of open season, but I find current circumstances superior, and not just for us.
 
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