Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

We're pretty good at escaping though, between flying, SSC, and our stats. We're much more likely to successfully escape than we are to successfully fight her, as she's likely much more specced for fighting than she is for chasing.

If we run we have to escape not just her (and don't start out sure we're faster then her. Our speed art is about also a dodge art and a breaking entering art. Hers is probably a 'close with enemy and murder them' art, and more applicable at these ranges), but her spirit beast (which could be faster then us) and her two allies positioned to stop us, who were selected to stop us.

Basically a vote to run away is a vote to assume she's an idiot unworthy of respect. Because if she isn't, she's planned for us running. It's what everyone would assume we would do, and plan for. So they'll have things like one use talismans that make them faster, or the minions were selected for their great speed and hunting ability, or whatever. Or they've set down a formation and are ready to active it if we run, remember her words -

"Sorry about that," the muscular girl said with a hint of apology in her tone, tearing the remains of a paper tag of some sort from the front of the iron plate strapped across her chest, it was Ling Qi could not help but notice, the only covering on her upper body aside from the padded jerkin underneath, which still left her arms and midriff scandalously bare. "Had to make sure you didn't pull a runner, you know? You're pretty fast by all accounts."

The girl idly brushed a hand through her braided hair as Ling Qi studied her, meeting her own blue eyed gaze. "You didn't answer my question," she replied coldly. There remained a good twenty meter distance between them, with the lower half of the other girls body still concealed by underbrush. It wasn't enough though she knew that. Particularly since she could feel that the muscular girls physique and spirit were in the third realm.

She thinks she's positioned to stop us from doing the plan your suggesting, because it's the obvious plan everyone who knows Ling Qi would think she would pull.

You are doing what the enemy has planned for.






As such, I think it's a terrible plan on all levels.
 
[X] She wants to talk, then she can talk. You'll listen and plan
 
I'm surprised that people are more interested in risking our brand new and more-or-less irreplaceable Gown, our actually-irreplaceable Flute, and everything else we have on us in an attempt to get away from someone with multiple autosuccesses against us, an unknown spirit beast (who may very well be far faster than us if it is e.g. a bird), and time to prepare.


All to try to intervene in one of Cai's fight that we wouldn't even have known about it Song hadn't told us.

Honestly, yeah. I don't get where's the fire. We aren't Cai's minions, we're allies of convenience. I willing to take a symbolic defeat to maintain our appearance of respectability, but I don't want a real and expensive defeat propping her up, when it won't work anyways.
 
Man, I'm torn.

Character-wise, I don't want Ling Qi to backslide and abandon her allies and friends...

But narratively, I'd like to see Sun win and throw everything into chaos. I think it will just be far more interesting as a story, rather than us coasting by winning repeatedly, and talking to Chu Song opens up new and interesting characters and plotlines...
 
[X] She wants to talk, then she can talk. You'll listen and plan.

Why would Ling Qi backslide if she stays? She has little personal loyalty to Cai, and her efforts to change are her trying to be there for her friends. She's an ally of Cai, but never has there been the impression that they were friends.
 
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Man, I'm torn.

Character-wise, I don't want Ling Qi to backslide and abandon her allies and friends...

But narratively, I'd like to see Sun win and throw everything into chaos. I think it will just be far more interesting as a story, rather than us coasting by winning repeatedly, and talking to Chu Song opens up new and interesting characters and plotlines...

I don't think it's a backslide honestly. If Meizhen was in trouble it would be, but we don't care about Lady Cai. If we trust Song's words, then it's only a betrayal if we think Meizhen is screwed after this. And she wouldn't be - even if Lililng wins Lady Cai still has supporters and a system set up. The conflict will probably rage back and forth several times, but only a complete victory on Lilings part would screw Meizhen.

Before that happens, we'll graduate to inner sect (or fail trying). If anything, a weaker Lady Cai needs us and Meizhen more. It improves our bargaining position.

So no betrayal needed. Just cold calculating selfishness that puts us and our friends above the stability of our yearmates.
 
Character-wise, I don't want Ling Qi to backslide and abandon her allies and friends...

But narratively, I'd like to see Sun win and throw everything into chaos. I think it will just be far more interesting as a story, rather than us coasting by winning repeatedly, and talking to Chu Song opens up new and interesting characters and plotlines...
Well, it seems to me that the talking option doesn't have Ling Qi abandoning her friends, it just gives her time to figure out what to do to help them rather than fleeing immediately. There is nothing indicating that any option abandons her friends, or actually abandons Cai. The talk plan just has us delayed for a bit before figuring out what to do.

So in retrospect, I don't think we are back sliding or abandoning our friends with any of our choices.
 
I honestly don't think either Cai or Gan will blame Ling Qi for not doing anything when pinned down by a Green and two (likely) late yellows.

But I still ill have no idea which action is best
 
Hmm, yeah.

Actually, thinking about it, it's entirely possible that Meizhen isn't actually around right now. Think about it, if we hadn't detected Chu's poor stealth, we could easily have come down from the vent later in the day, and found that everything had been blown up without us knowing anything. Now, narratively, this wouldn't happen, because that would be boring, and deprive us of agency, but it is pretty plausible. So, if you're Sun, and you're trying to hit Cai without Meizhen interfering - what's the best way to do that? You could send Kang to delay her again, but that's imperfect, and Kang might not be very happy about how things went down last time. Also, if you're using him there, you can't use him elsewhere.

A simpler approach, however, is to just keep eyes on Meizhen, and wait until she goes out to cultivate. She probably isn't going to be back for hours, which then gives you plenty of time to deal with Cai and her other forces with no interference.

This would also explain why Chu Song thought that Meizhen wasn't going to be involved at all.
 
In favor of talking, because if this lady wanted to wreck our face, she could have done it. I'll elaborate when I get home, but I'm very curious as to what Sun Liling offered to buy a Third Realm Cultivator to tie us down with, when that person doesn't seem to like them much.

On phone, so elaborating will have to wait.

[X] She wants to talk, then she can talk. You'll listen and plan.
 
In favor of talking, because if this lady wanted to wreck our face, she could have done it. I'll elaborate when I get home, but I'm very curious as to what Sun Liling offered to buy a Third Realm Cultivator to tie us down with, when that person doesn't seem to like them much.

On phone, so elaborating will have to wait.

[X] She wants to talk, then she can talk. You'll listen and plan.

She's Ji Rong's only true friend. I suspect she's here for him rather then for Sun Liling.
 
[X] She has outright said that she is here to stall you. Escape and join back up with as many of your friends as you can manage. Even if it means dealing with her two lackeys too.
 
[X] She has outright said that she is here to stall you. Escape and join back up with as many of your friends as you can manage. Even if it means dealing with her two lackeys too.

I think that she might actually want us to do this. Otherwise, why mention the fight at all? Might be a test of how good we are.
 
[X] She wants to talk, then she can talk. You'll listen and plan.

Alright, so I feel that there is no abandonment going on with this vote, it merely is that we don't attempt to run away immediately and that we take the time to plan and think of a way out of this situation. It is true that Chu Song won't give up any useful information, but that doesn't mean that we can't actually take a moment to plan a way to avoid a conflict with Chu Song as well as going to assist Cai if we want to.

However, what she did say was actually true. We are not particularly loyal to the Cai faction, as we are doing it for our and our friends benefit, not for a loyalty to Cai. There is no abandonment of the establishment here either. Cai has a plan on how to deal with Sun, and we are not part of that plan. It seems clear to me that should Cai wish for us to be part of a plan to stop Sun, then she would have communicated that plan to us at the last meeting, but she didn't.

Its a tough pick, but I'm going to vote for this action because I feel confident that Cai is able to defend herself against Sun and has a plan in place, as well as the fact that Meizhen isn't going to be a part of this fight as she will be protecting Cui from harm as he grows to a third realm spirit. I have confidence that none of our friends are involved in the fight and so we shouldn't be particularly desperate to try and enter the fray.

(Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that Sun has multiple reasons for us to stay out of the fight. One of them might be she wants to make amends towards us for the last time we fought and that is hard to do when we are fighting each other. However, there is no proof of that, just suspicion)
 
Honestly, yeah. I don't get where's the fire. We aren't Cai's minions, we're allies of convenience. I willing to take a symbolic defeat to maintain our appearance of respectability, but I don't want a real and expensive defeat propping her up, when it won't work anyways.

It's not concern over Cai - unlike some, I don't think that even Cai's "student government" collapsing would be more than a moderate setback to Ling Qi. Ling Qi is now fairly strong on her own, has reasonably well-established allies and only a couple of notable enemies (Kang Zihao, Sun Liling - and Liling seems to have some respect for Ling Qi and seems to mostly care about good fights. While Kang Zihao has... somewhat fewer followers than he once had). Zhengui has hatched, so she doesn't really have any critical attachment to her home (also, she should have set up those formations she knows...). Rare pills, slips and stones can be stashed somewhere safe (say, the trial location, or find a nice hidden cave). Ling Qi herself could simply live elsewhere, as could Meizhen.

She'd probably have to fend off one or two attacks from people with a grudge against Renxiang or against Qi herself who were cowed by the student government - perhaps a group attack even, although I'm not really sure how many people even Kang Zihao can put together and motivate to go after her (yes, he's done a largish number before - but he kept failing and then they got brutalized by members of Cai's faction, and by now the number of people willing to follow him is... probably somewhat less than before). But, on the flip side, she's also unfettered. She'd lose the allowance, which would be inconvenient - but she's got somewhat less of an urgent need for pills now.

No, my concern at least is over Ling Qi's actual friends - Chu Song claims the Bai isn't in danger from what Sun Liling's up to ('yet'), and then there's Gu Xiulan, especially with the other Golden Fields bunch occupied. Although Gu Xiulan does have an elder sister who might give someone going after her a bit of a pause if they're tempted to go too far, said elder sister has some limits to what she can do to an outer sect disciple... yet (of course, said disciple might want to pass on getting in to the inner sect...).

Perhaps if the update had Chu Song give some more details on what Liling's up to I'd prefer talking - for example, if it's a duel, or a team fight of Liling and Feng against Renxiang and Guangli? No problem; I'm not sure Liling winning will actually change anything as far as Cai Renxiang's governmental efforts go (really, as I see it, all Liling wants is to establish she's the top fighter - she doesn't really give a damn as to whether Renxiang brings together the rest of the disciples in some kind of organization, she just wants some good fights). But is it just Ling Qi that Sun Liling took measures to keep away from the fight? Although, to be honest, that seemed to be more because Ling Qi can shut down her trump card(s) than a general clearing away of obstacles to her craved-for duel.

When it gets down to it, I'd really like Ling Qi and Chu Song to establish a neutral relationship. It's not like there's any particular grudges either way, they both have things in common and can probably come to occasional arrangements. Unfortunately, Cai Renxiang seems to have decides that Chu Song is an opponent (? - although that seems to be a non-concrete judgment), so a positive relationship there might be awkward. And I wouldn't mind a chance for a fight between them (although that risks showing Ling Qi's hand to an almost certain future competitor); it'd be a good challenge and, assuming stakes are reasonable, for little risk.
 
Crescent Grace cost one qi.

We have two cards with with formless shade on them. Even if we have to use formless shade more than twice, it cost three qi.

I'm not that worried about the cost in qi, although I kind of wish we had stocked up on better qi pills at some point.

Edit: Point I'm trying to get at, escaping is unlikely to drain our Qi enough where we cannot participate. Our escape abilities are our cheapest skills right now.
 
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[X] She has outright said that she is here to stall you. Escape and join back up with as many of your friends as you can manage. Even if it means dealing with her two lackeys too.
 
Because information is never bad.

Information in and of itself may not be bad, but the actions we take to get it can have consequences. And what we gain from the information doesn't inherently outweigh what we may lose to get it.

I think that both of the leading choices lead to interesting outcomes, and I would be happy with either of them, but this isn't the best reasoning.
 
[X] She has outright said that she is here to stall you. Escape and join back up with as many of your friends as you can manage. Even if it means dealing with her two lackeys too.
-[X] Tell her we'll have to postpone your talk before escaping.


Storm and mountain? With brawler type of equipment?

Probably a kind of Gan & Hong mix style, with a Wind debuff ala Against the Wind or a fast charge like Kang.

FVM might be hard countered.

If she is the brawler focus, which is not a certainty, it is probable that the other two might be the support and ranged. Possibly formations and tracker if she specced her team for stalling and/or capture.

On the other tentacle, might be that she collects all brawler minions...
+shrugs+

Interesting about her coloration though. I wonder about what she wants to talk about.

Someone slammed Meizhen for trying to break friendship because being rejected? Note that they are all teenagers, superpowered ones with all the hormones and emotionally influenced by their personal Arts and upbringing.

Even adults tend to be awkward after being rejected.
 
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[x] She has outright said that she is here to stall you. Escape and join back up with as many of your friends as you can manage. Even if it means dealing with her two lackeys too.

I think I'm going with this. We can talk to her later, hopefully. Gotta check on our friends.
 
[X] She has outright said that she is here to stall you. Escape and join back up with as many of your friends as you can manage. Even if it means dealing with her two lackeys too.
-[X] Tell her we'll have to postpone your talk before escaping.
 
I don't believe we can escape
I mean they are prepared for us to escape
And at least one green

And cai should be able to understand
That we are not able to escape from one green and mostly likely 2 late yellow students
 
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