yeah. the problem i had is figuring out what words to used and leave out since there's a character limit. Apeiron is such a complex character that i feel 200 was not enough to describe him. even his cape persona alone.
Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)
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That was incredible! You did a great job of hitting all the major points of the story while making it all flow together.
So when the music perk finally rolls we already know what the Iconic Theme song will be.
Now what we need is someone to craft up a nice AMV using key moments of the story. Then it'll be perfection. Kinda like...Iron Mans original Animated series opening.
Great job! Did you write the lyrics?
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Piggot's concerns aren't that unreasonable. Piggot doesn't get the same behind the scenes view we do. Apeiron could absolutely be ultra Teacher/Nilbog/Mama Mathers/etc from her perspective. Apeiron has demonstrated that they are if not malicious then at the very least negligent.
Selling super weapons to criminals, the mess with the Dust crystals, the minovsky particle blackout, "The Enigmatic Artificer", Lethe memes, etc doesn't inspire a lot of trust. People may act it isn't a problem and malign Piggot to appease Apeiron, they may forgive but that isn't the same as forgetting.
Selling super weapons to criminals, the mess with the Dust crystals, the minovsky particle blackout, "The Enigmatic Artificer", Lethe memes, etc doesn't inspire a lot of trust. People may act it isn't a problem and malign Piggot to appease Apeiron, they may forgive but that isn't the same as forgetting.
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Honestlynits incredible! I wish I had other ways to listen to it! Though will admit the illusion line has me scratching my head, what's it referencing?
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A question?.Joe has a LOT OF CARS
But only drives the Pinto
He has a HALO WARTHOG he can trick out to Bling and Beyond
Heck he even has an.Simulators to play Red Vs Blue or watch.RWBY live and able to make his.own.Penny.
.....Aisha needs a.Guardian
But only drives the Pinto
He has a HALO WARTHOG he can trick out to Bling and Beyond
Heck he even has an.Simulators to play Red Vs Blue or watch.RWBY live and able to make his.own.Penny.
.....Aisha needs a.Guardian
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I'm pretty sure that if someone needs a custom car, Fleet and The Matrix can put together something really special. The only problem will be keeping it on the ground, and at speeds below mach one.
Oh, and I think Aisha would look damn good on a veridian blue light cycle.
Oh, and I think Aisha would look damn good on a veridian blue light cycle.
You're not entirely wrong, but you're not looking at the whole picture. As Armstrong pointed out, once they had some evidence suggesting that Aperion was willing to work with them (which they got from Amy way back around Chapter 9) Piggot's job was to find ways to deescalate the situation and make contact. She did not do that, instead doubling down and making a bad situation many times worse.
The PRT should take precautions when dealing with powerful capes, obviously, but that doesn't mean making an enemy out of a potential ally. What's worse, they became so hyper-focused on Apeiron that they ignored the very real and obvious threat he was trying to warn them about. Bomb tinker + duplicating suicide bomber = total nightmare. That is so obvious that just the fact Piggot didn't see it coming on her own should be grounds for an inquiry into her competence, if not getting fired outright. The truth is that they ignored his warnings about Bakuda/Oni Lee and March, while trying to twist facts to make Apeiron out to be the bad guy even while evidence was mounting that he wasn't the villain they claimed he was.
Many of the problems you mentioned could have been greatly reduced if not completely avoided if Piggot had taken a more reasonable approach to dealing with the powerful new cape who was making overtures to working with the heroes. Many of the biggest problems Joe caused (Dust and Minovsky particles in particular) were a result of the bad situation that the PRT under Piggot had allowed to foster. And still, Joe's actions, while not perfect, definitely made things better. Joe is, quite frankly, the only reason Brockton Bay is still there after the Ungodly Hour.
In short, Piggot's job is to make calm and rational decisions for the good of the city. Even though Joe admitted to having a negative opinion of her thanks to his "thinker power" she should have reached out and found a way to prove him wrong. Instead, she did the exact opposite, and that's what people are angry about.
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The PRT could not simply ally with Apeiron any more than they could ally with the Empire to take out the ABB . It is not procedure for the police to work with criminals outside of some very specific exceptions. Otherwise it looks a lot like collusion and corruption.
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If Apeiron is acting as an outright criminal, then yes, they can't ally with him. But if they can take someone who has stepped a bit over the line and bring them back to the side of the angels, then that's a big win for the PRT. There's plenty of precedent for it, even just in Brockton Bay - specifically, Assault and Shadow Stalker. I don't think it was established in canon exactly what Sophia had done, but we know that Assault was breaking people out of Birdcage transports. That's many, many times worse than making some fancy weapons for a group of small-time thieves, and yet the Protectorate was willing to work with him and bring him into the fold, even if it was on a probationary status.
Learning that this mysterious cape had the ability to heal (an extremely rare and valuable ability in the Worm world) should have had Piggot rolling out the red carpet and trying to find a way to establish a good relationship, like Boston and New York were trying to do the moment they heard Apeiron had mentioned he might be willing to work with them. Instead, Piggot blacklisted him. That's pretty clear evidence that Joe was right and she was not fit to lead the PRT ENE.
I thought it was 'dropped someone holding him over the edge of a building' and 'pinned someone up to a wall with crossbow bolts' one of which led to manslaughter?
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Madcap and Shadow Stalker were captured, unmasked and offered a plea deal.
If Apeiron turned himself in, unmasked and agreed to do things by the book instead of going "I have powers so I can do whatever I want" or "I had good intentions so my crimes don't matter" or "I fuck around, you get to find out" then Piggot would have been happy to onboard him
Now show where he said any of those things.
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They are the attitudes demonstrated by his actions.
!Tecton's outside read of Clockblocker is hilarious.
I'm gonna have to see if I can re-find it, but until I stopped and thought about it, last I remember us leaving Kid Win, he still thought of himself as a 'Trash Tinker', though now have a vague inkling that that was followed up on.
Very nice xD
Okay, that was funny.
Probably a terrible idea, but HAH!
1 typo, 1 note for clarification.
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To verify, unless I'm blind (which I am, on occasion), there's no text about him having picked her up.
This is an intentional 'automatically did without conscious thought', so it's intentionally not written, or did a line accidentally?
Haven't said this in a while, but, thank you for writing/sharing this story.
Hope things have settled down a bit for you.
Been a long time since I read the original story, so I can't remember for sure. I think it was something along those lines, but I've read so many stories that I don't like to mention things I don't clearly remember for fear of mixing up fanon and canon. If I had to guess, I'd lean toward the 'pinned someone with crossbow bolts' option, but again, I'm not sure. And even there, the details are important. Did the guy die? Was he actively committing a crime like rape or murder, or did Sophia just think he looked suspicious? I don't remember if Wildbow ever gave us the specifics on any of that.
We're both pretty set in our views, and this is getting repetitive, so this will be my last post on the subject.
Yes, Joe made some mistakes at the beginning of the story that caused problems that could have been avoided. Nobody (including Joe himself) is disputing that. But despite that, it was Piggot's responsibility to reach out to him to try to find a way to bring him into the fold. At the very least, she should not have done things to make their relationship worse, pushing him away from the law and further into crime. Armstrong confirmed that, and he expressed those views in his internal monologue, so we know that's how he really felt. Had Piggot reacted to Joe in a more sensible manner, perhaps he would eventually have been willing to unmask and join the Protectorate officially as you mentioned. But building that sort of relationship takes time, and both sides have to be willing to work toward it. Apeiron tried to fix his mistakes by healing Amy and in so doing extended an olive branch to the heroes. Piggot completely ignored it. Or rather, she did something even worse. She shut down any possibility of establishing avenues of communication and instead continually tried to blame him for problems that were caused by long-standing issues she had knowingly ignored. It wasn't Apeiron who built that incredibly precarious house of cards that all came tumbling down with his arrival, and if it hadn't been him who set things off, it would have been someone else.
As for the idea that the PRT can't work with questionable individuals on a case-by-case basis if they have something the PRT really wants/needs? Ridiculous. Uppercrust makes no secret of his association with outright criminals like Bastard Son, but the PRT still works with him because his abilities are too valuable for them lose. It's simple pragmatism, something the PRT has to accept because of the quite frankly horrible situation that Earth Bet as a whole is in.
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Apeiron didn't have any crimes to turn himself in for, check the discussion with Weld after he rescued him from the Bay. Chap 25.
Until he healed Panacea all they had on him was selling the knives, which according to Weld "Selling tinker tech is a weird legal area, especially if you're not doing it for a share of criminal proceeds. I've heard some nightmare stuff about the tax law around it, but for this it might get classified as illegal weapon sales, worst case."
New Hampshire has no laws regarding the sale or transfer of knives, including to minors, and no restrictions on type, or carrying openly or concealed, as long as the person doesn't have a felony conviction, which none of the Undersiders have.
After healing Amy, "For the Panacea stuff..." He shrugged his shoulders. "The category of what counts as 'Assault with a parahuman power' is pretty broad, legally speaking. They could probably also charge you with trespassing, if they're feeling vindictive."
The hospital could push for criminal trespass, which would be a misdemeanor, being the first time.
Amy could press charges for assault, but until she and the hospital do that, there aren't any actual crimes to hold against him at that point.
The Enigmatic Artificer.
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Specifically she was in the PRT hospital, which would be a government building, I assume. They could probably stretch something from that but not in any way that a Jury (especially at this point) would uphold
After having gradually escalated her violence she left someone pinned to a wall via crossbow bolt. I can't remember if they actually died or just nearly died but for some reason that had the prt make her their top priority so they quickly captured her. However, during her trial Emma and her dad came forward for her defence as character witnesses which was enough that she got sentenced into being a probational ward instead of juvie.
Of course we know how little that probational status was worth given how much the prt was willing to let her get away with since they did take over the locker investigation but their 2 agents left when they found Taylor was insensate. Not only did they do no follow up Dragon later found no mention of Taylor within the prt's files and this was also after her prt handler had gone to the discipline meeting at Winslow. Plus there's then stuff like Sophia's regular running off during patrols and how she actually goes about with her personal phone while in costume and it's loaded with incriminating evidence about bullying Taylor.
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Maybe, but in 8.1, as Amy is sneaking out, 'There were high security areas connected directly to the PRT headquarters, but the rest of it was a conventional downtown hospital.'
So it could be a public hospital with an attached PRT area, which would explain why Glory Girl was able to just wander around looking for her
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To add to this, calling Piggot a hardliner who refuses to tolerate criminals gets even ridiculous when you look at what she has been tolerating in the city for years. Human trafficking, drug peddling, actual nazis, yet they get treated with practically kid gloves. Yet she had to be threatened down from taking out a kill order on a guy who is the only reason Brockton Bay is still standing.
The only thing we can concede in her favour is that the entire mess is not her fault alone. Armsmaster has his share of blame for the disastrous interrogation of Amy and spreading the result everywhere, and also for failing to stop the bank job. He is flying under everyone's radar for now due to his injuries.
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Simply put, while Piggot's reactions and decisions are understandable in the sense where you could understand where she is coming from, she is not reasonable in that none of her reasons for her actions can justify what she had done to handle Apeiron.
Remember, this all started when she used an item created by Apeiron being pretty to justify slapping him with a Master rating and then using that Master rating to completely blacklist him from any Protectorate-affiliated group in Brockton Bay. Sure, Coil fanned the flames by disappearing the aide that made the remark, but she still had the final say and she immediately went for the nuclear option to force him in a weaker bargaining position from the get go.
Then as problems compounded and all the old issues that she had swept under the rug after keeping the city in a stalemate so long had shown their ugly heads, instead of facing the consequences of her choices, she instead battered down and continued to complicate things by adding more and more emergency protocols that she should've not been abusing in the first place.
That's why she would be such a laughingstock if things haven't snowballed so bad that there is no way to make things funny anymore. She hit bedrock a long time ago, and instead of giving up, she grabbed a drill and kept digging her own grave even deeper.
Remember, this all started when she used an item created by Apeiron being pretty to justify slapping him with a Master rating and then using that Master rating to completely blacklist him from any Protectorate-affiliated group in Brockton Bay. Sure, Coil fanned the flames by disappearing the aide that made the remark, but she still had the final say and she immediately went for the nuclear option to force him in a weaker bargaining position from the get go.
Then as problems compounded and all the old issues that she had swept under the rug after keeping the city in a stalemate so long had shown their ugly heads, instead of facing the consequences of her choices, she instead battered down and continued to complicate things by adding more and more emergency protocols that she should've not been abusing in the first place.
That's why she would be such a laughingstock if things haven't snowballed so bad that there is no way to make things funny anymore. She hit bedrock a long time ago, and instead of giving up, she grabbed a drill and kept digging her own grave even deeper.