Brockton's Celestial Forge (Worm/Jumpchain)

So, since the Forsberg Gallery is kind of exploded, what if Coil decides to have the Undersiders attack Garment's charity event? I think this has been brought up before, but I'm kinda interested in what would result from that, in terms of relations between Apeiron and the Undersiders. Like, Brian seems intent on really pushing the boundaries of the forewarning clause of the contract with Apeiron, so I'm imagining Joe is just managing things at the auction and suddenly gets a call saying that the Undersiders are raiding the charity auction and they'll be there in five minutes. That'd be a really interesting scenario to see.
Garment would solo the Undersiders and have them literally tied up for wrapping.
 
You know , next chapter will be a little messy , especially if it's the one where he calls his sister

Rolling "high tier" powers in the middle of a important call is generally not conducive to a good conversation
 
I was pretty bummed that he didn't get a major power this chapter. I was looking forward to it. When I saw the "Jumpchain powers this chapter" I groaned so loud.

Blame the personal reality section rolling 2 100s dented the bank and it was a shorter chapter only 6.9k. On the plus side tho the bank is 500 so the next roll is for 600 some people have taken the reason for the short chapter to be because a big perk was rolled and lord wanted to keep the stuff covering it together.

So, since the Forsberg Gallery is kind of exploded, what if Coil decides to have the Undersiders attack Garment's charity event? I think this has been brought up before, but I'm kinda interested in what would result from that, in terms of relations between Apeiron and the Undersiders. Like, Brian seems intent on really pushing the boundaries of the forewarning clause of the contract with Apeiron, so I'm imagining Joe is just managing things at the auction and suddenly gets a call saying that the Undersiders are raiding the charity auction and they'll be there in five minutes. That'd be a really interesting scenario to see.

Won't happen Coil's motives for that stuff are to oust Piggot so his civ id can take over. However, right now he doesn't need to Piggot is getting canned a soon as the situation stabilises that would've been taken to be in a few days but due to the teeth + forge reveal she's been granted a stay of execution. This isn't a good thing though as Piggot was doing things like ignoring the rock on the basis of it wouldn't be her problem in a few days so kick explosions down the road to after and was focused on shifting blame.

Additionally, they won't because even with the we can call Joe 5 mins before we take action that will still stomp it out because even if they somehow miss it Joe's stance was he'll come down hard on anyone disrupting the recovery efforts which has just been reaffirmed. The villains have all picked up on that but even if they think they are exempt Joe would nix it during that call. Following wogs all of the villains including Coil are aware of this and as a result are stepping lightly and won't mess with the efforts beyond trying to bait someone else into doing so and will be using the event as a chance to do stuff elsewhere since a few wards and at least one protectorate member will be showing up to leech the good pr.
 
What would Coil gain out of the attack? The city is already unstable and showing Piggot is unfit for her position, which is what he wants (that was literally the purpose behind the gallery attack - to embarrass the PRT/Protectorate). Sending the Undersiders to attack a charity thing, one the PRT isn't even associated with? What would he gain? All it would potentially do is provoke the Protectorate and anyone else from the Summit who might see it as a potential breech of the truce (Especially you know Uppercrust is likely to make an appearance if he has time.)

They're already on the verge of an S-class situation, and the Undersiders aren't going to be dumb enough to agree to that. Besides, Brian isn't going to want to attack his sister's employer. And at this point in time, the Undersiders still have the ability to turn down jobs. Even more so if the rumors of PRT/Protectorate reinforcements are true.

I know a lot of people like to make Coil out like everything that happens is because of his sinister hand and all that, but he doesn't do things without a reason - something to gain. I just can't see what attacking a charity event that the Protectorate/PRT isn't going to be around for/present for to be worthwhile - Piggot already looks like she can't do her job. He would gain nothing new from another attack - especially since it would be an attack on a known Rogue and the Elite are already in town. While Garment is not a member of the Elite, she's a potential recruit, and it runs the risk of Uppercrust escalating if only for reputational purposes. Coil doesn't want the Elite focusing more on Brockton Bay.

Especially since Uppercrust already suspects Coil to be doing more than anyone things (the Faultline interlude prior to the summit kind of implies this.)

Edit: Quasi-ninja'ed, I think

Edit, the 2nd: Although it would be hilarious if they tried, and Joe was just like "No." And they still went ahead anyway. Because then, well Joe was musing about when the CF will have to put their foot down... and it would be a hell of an example.
 
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So, since the Forsberg Gallery is kind of exploded, what if Coil decides to have the Undersiders attack Garment's charity event? I think this has been brought up before, but I'm kinda interested in what would result from that, in terms of relations between Apeiron and the Undersiders. Like, Brian seems intent on really pushing the boundaries of the forewarning clause of the contract with Apeiron, so I'm imagining Joe is just managing things at the auction and suddenly gets a call saying that the Undersiders are raiding the charity auction and they'll be there in five minutes. That'd be a really interesting scenario to see.
Given that Lisa will likely find out that Joe's working there and would likely tell that to Coil if he suggests such a job, I doubt it but it's not impossible Coil has such a bad read on Joe that him deciding to have them do such a job wouldn't be impossible and Lisa Isn't really thinking clearly right now, so I wouldn't say it's impossible.
 
Can't Survey just tell him what she said while he was "out"? Alternatively he could take the call in the Throne since he should know by now he'll be getting a big power soon right?
eh I wouldn't worry about that bank is 500 so next roll is for 600 and Joe's going on a trip to add doors to the network around the city and possibly outside of it. Specifically it was stated he had hours until his sister got off work for the call. This means that at best the next update but more likely the next few are going to be recap, him doing this, noting the damage to the city and perks so there's enough content before the call you can't predict what state the bank will be in by then.
 
Brian isn't aware that Joe and Garment are in the same sphere is he?

Brian will probably volunteer for Garment's event after getting invited/voluntold via a gym link, and when Joe walks in...

So we will have Parian freaking out, a potential setup for Brian and Joe to discover the Aisha-Lethe-Undersiders link, and the existing vat of crazyness from outside to tip in.

I wonder if Lisa will be there on assignment from Coil as well. Most likely an agent from Accord too.

I do think the idea of the Undersiders being hired to crash Garment's event is hilarious though. Lisa's power undersells Garment considerably, and Coil isn't aware that Garment and the fiber bundle from his attempts at assassinating Joe are related.

I don't think Coil would risk directly antagonising the Celestial Forge with a non-defensive move so soon though. Provoking someone else (Merchants?) into accidental truce violation seems more his style. Garment is a roque with no links to larger local groups as far as he is aware, so a safe target to bait someone into attacking, so he can observe Apeiron's truce response with less risk.

It's not actually as insane as it sounds. Coil needs to know more about the new A team in town, and it was noted via Dragon's Pulse at the summit that even he is nervous about the Butcher and Celestial Forge interacting.

To his perspective, burning some assets to have someone provoke the big gorilla in a seemingly harmless way gives him data to plan around, with the risk of setting off something bigger. He may prefer that over flying blind about the new teams capabilities.

Fun set-up chapter!
 
What happens to Sky Simulator and Fly a Kite if he gets enough Personal Reality expansions that it reaches into space and there's no sky above it? It's currently 100 meters and gets 10 times taller each time, so it'd only take three or at most four expansions to hit space.

This is a Jumpchian perk, the thing could be a light year tall and still stay 1atm the entire distance. Then have the normal fly a kite distance stacked on top.
 
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What would Coil gain out of the attack? The city is already unstable and showing Piggot is unfit for her position, which is what he wants (that was literally the purpose behind the gallery attack - to embarrass the PRT/Protectorate). Sending the Undersiders to attack a charity thing, one the PRT isn't even associated with? What would he gain? All it would potentially do is provoke the Protectorate and anyone else from the Summit who might see it as a potential breech of the truce (Especially you know Uppercrust is likely to make an appearance if he has time.)

They're already on the verge of an S-class situation, and the Undersiders aren't going to be dumb enough to agree to that. Besides, Brian isn't going to want to attack his sister's employer. And at this point in time, the Undersiders still have the ability to turn down jobs. Even more so if the rumors of PRT/Protectorate reinforcements are true.

I know a lot of people like to make Coil out like everything that happens is because of his sinister hand and all that, but he doesn't do things without a reason - something to gain. I just can't see what attacking a charity event that the Protectorate/PRT isn't going to be around for/present for to be worthwhile - Piggot already looks like she can't do her job. He would gain nothing new from another attack - especially since it would be an attack on a known Rogue and the Elite are already in town. While Garment is not a member of the Elite, she's a potential recruit, and it runs the risk of Uppercrust escalating if only for reputational purposes. Coil doesn't want the Elite focusing more on Brockton Bay.

Especially since Uppercrust already suspects Coil to be doing more than anyone things (the Faultline interlude prior to the summit kind of implies this.)

Edit: Quasi-ninja'ed, I think

Edit, the 2nd: Although it would be hilarious if they tried, and Joe was just like "No." And they still went ahead anyway. Because then, well Joe was musing about when the CF will have to put their foot down... and it would be a hell of an example.
Honestly, I am most worried about Sabah coming to the conclusion that Joe is a cape not Apeiron but most likely a thinker.
My thought process is Sabah knew Joe from college she knows how he looked and acted She'd be able to tell that he both acts different and is far more physically fit, while most people would probably contribute this to joe changed after not seeing him for so long, I could see Sabah viewing it as suspicious, Sabah believes that no normal person could set up the event and have it succeed, So If she finds that Joe set up the event and that it's succeeding, her conclusion will likely be that Joe is a thinker and that he is working with Garment she's already convinced that Garment is coming after her and thinks that there someone behind it, her coming to the conclusion that it's Joe and that he is after her personally for not going out with him would make sense from her perspective.

From there, things could go really bad really fast, no cape attack necessary, the worst possible outcome would probably be her accusing Joe of being a thinker on live television.
 
Honestly, I am most worried about Sabah coming to the conclusion that Joe is a cape not Apeiron but most likely a thinker.
My thought process is Sabah knew Joe from college she knows how he looked and acted She'd be able to tell that he both acts different and is far more physically fit, while most people would probably contribute this to joe changed after not seeing him for so long, I could see Sabah viewing it as suspicious, Sabah believes that no normal person could set up the event and have it succeed, So If she finds that Joe set up the event and that it's succeeding, her conclusion will likely be that Joe is a thinker and that he is working with Garment she's already convinced that Garment is coming after her and thinks that there someone behind it, her coming to the conclusion that it's Joe and that he is after her personally for not going out with him would make sense from her perspective.

From there, things could go really bad really fast, no cape attack necessary, the worst possible outcome would probably be her accusing Joe of being a thinker on live television.
But Joe isn't going to take any credit for the event except as a volunteer from the gym. He has his implant to covertly talk to Survey and Survey as Delphine will be by Garment's side the whole time. Also Garment has her super phone. Joe will just do the thing he did at Garment's press conference and nudge things to work from behind the scenes.
People might think Garment or Delphine have the party organizing powers though. Joe previously even thought that people would have fun theorizing Garment had party thinker powers.

Also, I don't think Joe is smart enough romantically to pick up the body language cues that people are giving him about him and his potential girlfriend. If he did notice, I think he would be panicking about it. Although I do agree that there is some willful blindness on Joe's part. He just doesn't want anything about him to be romantic so he doesn't even start to think about romantic implications. Romantic subtext just doesn't penetrate his brain. Plus it's funnier when Joe is clueless.
Oh, I just thought of something. If he really was aware of the gyms romantic teasing and trying not to think of it, that would be Doormat behavior. Mental Fortress would poke Joe to stop trying to hide his head in the sand.
 
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A few seconds of Superman dressed as Clark Kent.

This comes up time and time again with Joe - Aisha literally had to walk him through the whole Khepeiron thing because he didn't pick up on any of the subtext between him and Bakuda, and he was there.
In his defense, with Bakuda he was just rambling with whatever could stall for time. He wasn't even really trying to convey a coherent concept beyond let me take the Undersiders and go.

Looks like he missed either Damaged Microchip (honestly the only thing he doesn't have better version of is the time machine and there's no way he's touching that) or The Maddest Science Yet, which would have been a major upgrade to all his other tech, especially since it renders them incapable of accidental damage, so he could start bringing out the big guns like Vortex Grenades.
Transformers tech base has deliberate time travel in it, and Star Trek physics allows for deliberate time travel as well. Those are just two types of time travel off the top of my head that he could access if he tried for it.

Granted the problems that can occur if you fuck up with time travel are good incentive for him to wait for the Celestial Forge to hand him something making that a focus.
 
In terms of Coil crashing Garment's Event, I doubt he will. Mainly because, despite being a cocky shit, Coil isn't stupid and he knows that the sword of Damocles is hanging over all the gangs heads at this point. The Event is supposed to be to help with the city's recovery, and attacking that will mean a violation of Apeiron's summit stipulations. He might try it in a throwaway timeline, but I doubt that he'd ever commit to a timeline where he attacks.

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Transformers tech base has deliberate time travel in it, and Star Trek physics allows for deliberate time travel as well. Those are just two types of time travel off the top of my head that he could access if he tried for it.

Granted the problems that can occur if you fuck up with time travel are good incentive for him to wait for the Celestial Forge to hand him something making that a focus.
The main difference is Fiat-backed Paradox free time travel is granted by the 800 Terminator perk, not the other two.
 
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But Joe isn't going to take any credit for the event except as a volunteer from the gym. He has his implant to covertly talk to Survey and Survey as Delphine will be by Garment's side the whole time. Also Garment has her super phone. Joe will just do the thing he did at Garment's press conference and nudge things to work from behind the scenes.
People might think Garment or Delphine have the party organizing powers though. Joe previously even thought that people would have fun theorizing Garment had party thinker powers.

Also, I don't think Joe is smart enough romantically to pick up the body language cues that people are giving him about him and his potential girlfriend. If he did notice, I think he would be panicking about it. Although I do agree that there is some willful blindness on Joe's part. He just doesn't want anything about him to be romantic so he doesn't even start to think about romantic implications. Romantic subtext just doesn't penetrate his brain. Plus it's funnier when Joe is clueless.
Oh, I just thought of something. If he really was aware of the gyms romantic teasing and trying not to think of it, that would be Doormat behavior. Mental Fortress would poke Jim to stop trying to hide his head in the sand.
Maybe but She'll definitely look into who's organizing the event and if she can't find out or finds out that Garnet and Delphine are taking instructions from an unknown organizer and something similar happened at the gym and that Joe was there too, Doug asked joe this chapter to work at the event even if he only works there publicly as tech support the fact that he's there and working with Garment, him being more fit, having an attitude change and him being there both times Garnet did a public event, might be enough for her given how she perceives Joe.
 
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I couldn't make anything with numerous enhancement powers triggering, and while the Matrix could perfectly assemble items on an atomic level, they still preferred a certain level of quality that would be distinctly out of place in my old apartment.
without?
I'm pretty sure my 'mercenary' image was hanging by a thread, being attributed as some quirk of mt tinker specialization rather than a serious vocation.
of my tinker?
Introducing a religion from another inverse was really only slightly better than starting my own cult, but unfortunately Plan C was a distant contender.
universe?
The style functioned through the manipulation of demonic energy, controlled to an insanely preside degree in order to teleport and conjure weapons.
precise?
 
So, since the Forsberg Gallery is kind of exploded, what if Coil decides to have the Undersiders attack Garment's charity event? I think this has been brought up before, but I'm kinda interested in what would result from that, in terms of relations between Apeiron and the Undersiders. Like, Brian seems intent on really pushing the boundaries of the forewarning clause of the contract with Apeiron, so I'm imagining Joe is just managing things at the auction and suddenly gets a call saying that the Undersiders are raiding the charity auction and they'll be there in five minutes. That'd be a really interesting scenario to see.
Lisa: "So, we've got a job to hit some rich snobs' party in 5 minutes"
Joe: "Okay. I might not be able to help out immediately if you need it, I'm providing security at the Forsberg Gallery for a charity event tonight."
Lisa: "… Right. If you excuse me, I just need to check something with the boss quickly."
 
"Lot of that going around. You hear about Casey?" I nodded and he continued before I could reply. "His wife's convinced it's a miracle. Either she's right, or the doctors were way off the mark. Damn lucky either way. Course, she's been working non-stop since then." He said with a smile. "Like she's trying to make up for it."
Can someone please refresh my memory on what this is about?
 
Honestly, I am most worried about Sabah coming to the conclusion that Joe is a cape not Apeiron but most likely a thinker.
My thought process is Sabah knew Joe from college she knows how he looked and acted She'd be able to tell that he both acts different and is far more physically fit, while most people would probably contribute this to joe changed after not seeing him for so long, I could see Sabah viewing it as suspicious, Sabah believes that no normal person could set up the event and have it succeed, So If she finds that Joe set up the event and that it's succeeding, her conclusion will likely be that Joe is a thinker and that he is working with Garment she's already convinced that Garment is coming after her and thinks that there someone behind it, her coming to the conclusion that it's Joe and that he is after her personally for not going out with him would make sense from her perspective.

From there, things could go really bad really fast, no cape attack necessary, the worst possible outcome would probably be her accusing Joe of being a thinker on live television.

One of the best tropes in stories involving secret identities is that of mistaken identity.

What if Sabah correctly deduces that Joe has superhuman abilities but completely misidentifies his masked identity?

She might believe him to be Grue or a member of the E88 trying to recruit Garment for his evil gang.

Or, given that Joe and company can now jump in and out of the workshop from any available door, it is very possible that she might see one member of the Forge enter a room/closet and a different one emerge.

She knows that Joe was an engineering student. If she observes him performing a task at supernatural speed then she could believe him to be Fleet.

Joe could theoretically be Matrix, Tetra, or another member of the Forge with the right changer/breaker abilities.

However, I think it would be hilarious if Sabah mistakenly deduces that Joe and Survey are the same person.

Brockton already has a parahuman, Circus, who is genderfluid (although I don't know how well know that fact is?).

If Sabah was to pursue Joe in order to have a confrontation, only to see him duck into a closet then for Survey to emerge... Sabah could mentally review the charity event and realize that she never saw Joe and Survey simultaneously at any time that evening.

Cue romantic angst and drama.

Hopefully Sabah will eventually run into Flechette and the two can bond while pining over failed relationship and could-have-beens.
 
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Honestly, I am most worried about Sabah coming to the conclusion that Joe is a cape not Apeiron but most likely a thinker.
My thought process is Sabah knew Joe from college she knows how he looked and acted She'd be able to tell that he both acts different and is far more physically fit, while most people would probably contribute this to joe changed after not seeing him for so long, I could see Sabah viewing it as suspicious, Sabah believes that no normal person could set up the event and have it succeed, So If she finds that Joe set up the event and that it's succeeding, her conclusion will likely be that Joe is a thinker and that he is working with Garment she's already convinced that Garment is coming after her and thinks that there someone behind it, her coming to the conclusion that it's Joe and that he is after her personally for not going out with him would make sense from her perspective.

From there, things could go really bad really fast, no cape attack necessary, the worst possible outcome would probably be her accusing Joe of being a thinker on live television.
If I remember correctly Sabah thought he was an asshole. The type of person who thought just because they were nice they were owed the world. As Sabah lashed out at him in public she became a bitch and her grades suffered. Sabah may think that he set it up like that and overly dominating in his ways. That he was already a social person that had a knack for people so they would abandon her. So if he was that good in the engineer program then he shouldn't be necessary a thinker here.
 
Remind me, did anything happened at Aisha's home to have her dad worried about Brian? Because all I can think of is either him discovering Brian is Grue, or him thinking Alec is his twink boyfriend from that one time the gym broes met him.
 
Remind me, did anything happened at Aisha's home to have her dad worried about Brian? Because all I can think of is either him discovering Brian is Grue, or him thinking Alec is his twink boyfriend from that one time the gym broes met him.
Running into Brian's old gym buddies on Thursday night had been hilarious, even considering the severity of the events around them. The way Brian awkwardly stuttered his way through explanations while Alec exposited on their fake history had been the most fun Alec had had since that nightmare at the storage yard.

Between their apparent closeness, Brian's nervousness, and the fact that the group hadn't heard anything about him before, Alec was pretty sure a few of those guys had suspicions about the real nature of his relationship with Brian. Not supervillain suspicions, but suspicions for the more conventional reason why people sneak around and hide large parts of their lives.

Of course, he would never deign to lie about such a thing, or make any statements confirming or denying such suspicions. Demurely avoiding the topic when it had been hinted at was definitely the right thing to do. If they happened to come to their own conclusions about why Brian and Alec were together in the middle of the night, well, that was hardly his fault.

Aside from the hilarious potential of that particular misunderstanding, and the surprisingly open-minded attitude from Brian's old acquaintances, Alec had been able to pick up other details about Brian's situation. Details that brought a lot of Brian's behaviors into focus.
Alec made the people at the gym think Brian is gay as a joke. Not everyone's family takes that well.
 
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I just had an odd thought, Aisha experiences time at an accelerated rate during her training right? So she's experiencing hundreds of hours of time without the growth and disruption that would be experienced by someone going through puberty in the same time frame.

If she has a few month's worth of education and training she isn't growing biologically at the she would do.

There could potentially come a point where she has experienced significantly more life than her biological years.
 
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